You'd think by the nature of this thread that all these elites would've supported rittenhouse more than they did

Rapier108 said:

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Horn_in_Aggieland said:

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Walz press conference:

Federal occupation is organized brutality against Minnesota
MN's justice system will have the last word
Federal government can't be trusted to investigate
We want calm. They want chaos but we can't meet violent with violence.
To Trump: remove this force from Minnesota.
There will be a future prosecution of ICE agents.

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The left creates the chaos, then blames the right for the chaos, then says vote for us to stop the chaos.

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So a federal agency that doesn't have to identify and follow the laws set forth by our constitution rolls into a city and asks anyone for ID, assaults people for exercising their first amendment right, and is told they can act with impunity against the law….

But the citizens are the ones creating the chaos?

Just unbelievable.

Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

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backintexas2013 said:

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Do you know if he reached for the gun he had? You know he was armed and if he made any movement toward it he should have gotten shot.

If he didn't and it's a bad shoot then arrest the shooter I will say I am wrong. Bet the love on here won't do the same if it comes out he made a ready for his firearm.

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Doesn't really matter if he was reaching in the direction of his gun, given it was an over-escalation of force from the start. ICE officers created the dangerous scenario, not the protester. Do they not teach ICE officers de-escalation techniques? Pepper-spraying someone within seconds of confrontation without any observable indication is going to lead to more situations like this.

Him reaching for his gun, or the perception that he was is a scenario entirely created by these officers that could have easily been avoided.

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That is factually untrue.

If it's a bad shoot press charges. I wonder what libs will say if it's proven to be a good shoot.

Walz:

we will be billing the federal government for the use of the National Guard because they're instigating it

I reject the federal government jumping to conclusions within 15 minutes without an investigation

There will be justice for MN. They do not have impunity.

We can't live like this. Our children are in trauma.

MN DPS:

State and local law enforcement are always ready to arrest violent offenders

If federal government wants to work with us to find them we're always ready to assist

The "your" was a joke on how you said, "I will proudly continue to raise my children with MY version of Christianity."

Get the plank out of your eye before commenting on the spec of dust in someone else's

Obviously this is a terrible situation and the situation in that state as a whole. No one wants to see people being shot and killed.

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Resisting and struggling with cops while having a gun. legal or not will probably get you shot by one of those cops, that's universal. Good shoot or bad shoot will be determined after the fact, but in the moment the guy put himself in, I doubt a cop is taking that risk once the gun comes out. A pretty good rule is that once a cop is at the point he's grabbing you, your likely going to jail, your actions after that determines the condition you're in once you get to jail. Follow commands, don't fight and beat them in court. Being a martyr sounds cool I guess, but I would think being dead sucks.

Once you start resisting or fighting and you have a weapon, your life is out of your hands at that point.

They were going to make an arrest.

So resisting an officer is now penalized by death. Got it

"Elites"? lol.

This killing is indefensible. The last one with the car was at least a scenario that felt plausible and justifiable. This is straight ICE induced violence and execution.

Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

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backintexas2013 said:

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Do you know if he reached for the gun he had? You know he was armed and if he made any movement toward it he should have gotten shot.

If he didn't and it's a bad shoot then arrest the shooter I will say I am wrong. Bet the love on here won't do the same if it comes out he made a ready for his firearm.

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Doesn't really matter if he was reaching in the direction of his gun, given it was an over-escalation of force from the start. ICE officers created the dangerous scenario, not the protester. Do they not teach ICE officers de-escalation techniques? Pepper-spraying someone within seconds of confrontation without any observable indication is going to lead to more situations like this.

Him reaching for his gun, or the perception that he was is a scenario entirely created by these officers that could have easily been avoided.

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The scenario was created by tampon Tim and Democrats demonizing ICE. You have people in here calling them the Gestapo. Stupid statements like that lead to bad scenarios and people get killed.

Stop supporting corrupt, Islamist illegals and this doesn't happen.

I'm not justifying anything. I don't know all the facts.

I do know that it can't be simplified into whether he was a citizen, whether he was a legal carrier, or whether someone disarmed one weapon prior.

I know there was a fight and a tense situation and with all the chaos, an officer couuld have easily mistaken something else for another gun or not seen a gun taken away.

When you feed into that chaos and fight with cops, bad things can happen.

Want to protest? Fine.

Want to do it in a stupid fashion? Prepare for consequences.

Nope but if they thought he was armed and they thought he was going for it then shoot away.

Horse trade for the 9 billion stolen dollars

You don't know that at all.

Jesse Woods said:

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So resisting an officer is now penalized by death. Got it

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Idk man that seems to be a little heavy handed but you are allowed to believe what you want to believe.

Liberals lie even when they know we know they know we know they're lying. Maybe even more so in that scenario.

backintexas2013 said:

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It does matter to say it doesn't is stupid.

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If a police officer punches you without clear provocation, and then shoots you when you are on the ground because, in his opinion you were reaching for your weapon, do you believe the actions are defensible?

I imagine there are some on her that will say yes because in this case, this is a leftist protester; however, had this been a right winger during a COVID shutdown protest I imagine the answers would be much different.

Jesse Woods said:

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So resisting an officer is now penalized by death. Got it

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Nothing good comes from resisting officers at any level. Right or wrong you need to comply.

sam callahan said:

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I'm not justifying anything. I don't know all the facts.

I do know that it can't be simplified into whether he was a citizen, whether he was a legal carrier, or whether someone disarmed one weapon prior.

I know there was a fight and a tense situation and with all the chaos, an officer couuld have easily mistaken something else for another gun or not seen a gun taken away.

When you feed into that chaos and fight with cops, bad things can happen.

Want to protest? Fine.

Want to do it in a stupid fashion? Prepare for consequences.

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The "cops" literally created this situation shoving a woman filming

"Clear the street" is a lawful order.

Meant leftists. Im a notoriously poor typer on here.

backintexas2013 said:

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If it's a bad shoot press charges. I wonder what libs will say if it's proven to be a good shoot.

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They will never in a million years admit it. We still have ******s who think Trayveon Martin was innocent.

Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

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backintexas2013 said:

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It does matter to say it doesn't is stupid.

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If a police officer punches you without clear provocation, and then shoots you when you are on the ground because, in his opinion you were reaching for your weapon, do you believe the actions are defensible?

I imagine there are some on her that will say yes because in this case, this is a leftist protester; however, had this been a right winger during a COVID shutdown protest I imagine the answers would be much different.

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That's not what happened here and you know it. If you don't want to get shot, how about not bringing a gun to an already tense situation and putting a cop to a split second decision.

you mean wrestling law enforcement while carrying a loaded gun with 2 more full mags and no ID. If you don't think, that is a problem, why don't you go do the same right now. 100% chance you would be shot from every law enforcement in this country

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1BUZpdMUjy/

Here is a prolific protester who lays it out pretty clearly and in a manner that everyone could agree with if it weren't clouded by Trump hatred.

deddog said:

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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

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backintexas2013 said:

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Do you know if he reached for the gun he had? You know he was armed and if he made any movement toward it he should have gotten shot.

If he didn't and it's a bad shoot then arrest the shooter I will say I am wrong. Bet the love on here won't do the same if it comes out he made a ready for his firearm.

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Doesn't really matter if he was reaching in the direction of his gun, given it was an over-escalation of force from the start. ICE officers created the dangerous scenario, not the protester. Do they not teach ICE officers de-escalation techniques? Pepper-spraying someone within seconds of confrontation without any observable indication is going to lead to more situations like this.

Him reaching for his gun, or the perception that he was is a scenario entirely created by these officers that could have easily been avoided.

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The scenario was created by tampon Tim and Democrats demonizing ICE. You have people in here calling them the Gestapo. Stupid statements like that lead to bad scenarios and people get killed.

Stop supporting corrupt, Islamist illegals and this doesn't happen.

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Turns out all it took to nullify the 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments was mean words. I thought the 2A crowd was tougher? Luckily the 2A crowd spans more than one political party.

So to be clear. Filming officers justifies them assaulting you. Got it.

2008and1 said:

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"Elites"? lol.

This killing is indefensible. The last one with the car was at least a scenario that felt plausible and justifiable. This is straight ICE induced violence and execution.

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So you clearly have all the facts so please;

Walk us through were the suspects gun is and where his hands are in every single frame

You clearly already did this in order to make assertion so go ahead: