Maroon Dawn said:

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schmendeler said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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schmendeler said:

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The apologists here acknowledge that we have a constitutional right to protest, right?

Protests by their nature are disruptive. Disruption isn't cause to initiate violence at citizens. If you must remain quite and meek to be kept from state violence, you have no right to protest.

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You just have to not impede by standing in the middle of the street. The sidewalk is right there. Stand on that.

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Stand on the sidewalk! If you're in the street, you're fair game!

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MLK wasn't fighting to protect criminals killing young women and make sure the Dems could politically and economically profit off a slave labor class so maybe don't make this dumb comparison

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He was fighting against the laws at the time. You're just not able to make the connection because you live in a culture that (at least claims to) rejects overt racism.

Btw, here he is on the sidewalk with a PHONE on his hand when an ICE officer approaches him:

This is the man ICE murdered today in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

The local police chief has confirmed him to be 37 years old & in legal possession of a gun, with a permit to carry. pic.twitter.com/iBzk8oOnhu

— Dean Withers (@itsdeaann) January 24, 2026

In a few Minutes you'll say he should be even be outside.

schmendeler said:

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Truth9911 said:

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schmendeler said:

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2000AgPhD said:

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Satellite of Love said:

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Ag4life80 said:

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Every bit of this is avoided if the elected officials of Minnesota, who swore under oath to uphold the law, actually did their sworn duty. Then, it's just ICE picking up the bad guys with the aid of local law enforcement.

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Except ICE is picking up US citizens too.

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You have provided NO evidence that shows that law abiding citizens have been "picked up" by ICE. Either put up, or shut up.

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Over 100 US citizens have been detained by ICE.

https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will

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being detained is not having your rights violated.

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I need to have this framed.

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police detain people all the time are those violations?

schmendeler said:

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2000AgPhD said:

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Satellite of Love said:

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Ag4life80 said:

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Every bit of this is avoided if the elected officials of Minnesota, who swore under oath to uphold the law, actually did their sworn duty. Then, it's just ICE picking up the bad guys with the aid of local law enforcement.

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Except ICE is picking up US citizens too.

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You have provided NO evidence that shows that law abiding citizens have been "picked up" by ICE. Either put up, or shut up.

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Over 100 US citizens have been detained by ICE.

https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will

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ProPublica? They did not demonstrate in any way that ICE just arbitrarily detained them - they just listed people who had been detained without actually bothering to ask why.

Ice is batting 99.97%. And thats from liberal sources.

Aggie4Christ09 said:

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Latest reports are stating that the man was actually disarmed immediately.

What justification now?

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Dont know I wasn't there and neither were you. I do know this if that dude hadn't strapped on a 9-mil and went looking for trouble in terrible weather in a volatile situation nobody would need to justify anything would they ?

2000AgPhD said:

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Satellite of Love said:

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Ag4life80 said:

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Every bit of this is avoided if the elected officials of Minnesota, who swore under oath to uphold the law, actually did their sworn duty. Then, it's just ICE picking up the bad guys with the aid of local law enforcement.

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Except ICE is picking up US citizens too.

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You have provided NO evidence that shows that law abiding citizens have been "picked up" by ICE. Either put up, or shut up.

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You can't be this tone deaf? Already been posted:
https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will

Then there is the kid working at Target, picked up then dropped off at a Walmart parking lot after being roughed up. Be better and don't live with your head under a rock.

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Aggie4Christ09 said:

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Latest reports are stating that the man was actually disarmed immediately.

What justification now?

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Dont know I wasn't there and neither were you. I do know this if that dude hadn't strapped on a 9-mil and went looking for trouble in terrible weather in a volatile situation nobody would need to justify anything would they ?

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Yeah, good thing we have cell phones right?

schmendeler said:

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Maroon Dawn said:

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schmendeler said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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schmendeler said:

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The apologists here acknowledge that we have a constitutional right to protest, right?

Protests by their nature are disruptive. Disruption isn't cause to initiate violence at citizens. If you must remain quite and meek to be kept from state violence, you have no right to protest.

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You just have to not impede by standing in the middle of the street. The sidewalk is right there. Stand on that.

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Stand on the sidewalk! If you're in the street, you're fair game!

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MLK wasn't fighting to protect criminals killing young women and make sure the Dems could politically and economically profit off a slave labor class so maybe don't make this dumb comparison

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He was fighting against the laws at the time. You're just not able to make the connection because you live in a culture that (at least claims to) rejects overt racism.

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He wasn't fighting for criminals or Dems profiting off of slave labor. Democrats are

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Aggie4Christ09 said:

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Latest reports are stating that the man was actually disarmed immediately.

What justification now?

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Dont know I wasn't there and neither were you. I do know this if that dude hadn't strapped on a 9-mil and went looking for trouble in terrible weather in a volatile situation nobody would need to justify anything would they ?

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Breathtaking degrees of water carrying

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Satellite of Love said:

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Ag4life80 said:

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Every bit of this is avoided if the elected officials of Minnesota, who swore under oath to uphold the law, actually did their sworn duty. Then, it's just ICE picking up the bad guys with the aid of local law enforcement.

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Except ICE is picking up US citizens too.

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Not this crap again......... How many do they still have in custody that did nothing? How many total arrests have been made? While it certainly isn't good, %$#@ happens and regular cops do it on occasion, too, so it's not the horrible ICE issue you'd like to make it.

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There's an American man from Venezuela who was deported to El Salvador for having a tattoo that would like to have a word with you.

Don't fight with law-enforcement (especially when you're armed) and you won't get shot. It's pretty simple.

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Maroon Dawn said:

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schmendeler said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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schmendeler said:

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The apologists here acknowledge that we have a constitutional right to protest, right?

Protests by their nature are disruptive. Disruption isn't cause to initiate violence at citizens. If you must remain quite and meek to be kept from state violence, you have no right to protest.

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You just have to not impede by standing in the middle of the street. The sidewalk is right there. Stand on that.

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Stand on the sidewalk! If you're in the street, you're fair game!

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MLK wasn't fighting to protect criminals killing young women and make sure the Dems could politically and economically profit off a slave labor class so maybe don't make this dumb comparison

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He was fighting against the laws at the time. You're just not able to make the connection because you live in a culture that (at least claims to) rejects overt racism.

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So you think we should eliminate immigration laws?

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2000AgPhD said:

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Satellite of Love said:

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Ag4life80 said:

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Every bit of this is avoided if the elected officials of Minnesota, who swore under oath to uphold the law, actually did their sworn duty. Then, it's just ICE picking up the bad guys with the aid of local law enforcement.

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Except ICE is picking up US citizens too.

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You have provided NO evidence that shows that law abiding citizens have been "picked up" by ICE. Either put up, or shut up.

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You can't be this tone deaf? Already been posted:
https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will

Then there is the kid working at Target, picked up then dropped off at a Walmart parking lot after being roughed up. Be better and don't live with your head under a rock.

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The kid jumping in front and obstructing officers?

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Once again, we have a situation where armchair analysts can review multiple different angles, multiple times, at slow speeds, and expect an officer to have all that information in real-time.

Suppose it is determined to be a bad shoot?

Can reasonable people not say protesting in this manner is a bad idea? Instead, we have manipulators encouraging it and unstable people following it.

My last confrontation with a cop was when he was arresting my buddy for something he didn't do. The cop made it clear that if I didn't step aside I was going to jail, too. I did step aside because I am not an idiot and I knew it wasnt going to get resolved on the sidewalk.

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Exactly, this use to be common sense and the country would see this guy as Red Foreman would, dumbass. They were arresting them, comply and win a unnecessary use of force suit or wrongful arrest suit if one is there.

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Btw, here he is on the sidewalk with a PHONE on his hand when an ICE officer approaches him:

In a few Minutes you'll say he should be even be outside.

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Sorry I'll take your "sources" with a big grain of salt. So do your "sources" indicate what he was doing just prior to this snap shot ?

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B-1 83 said:

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Satellite of Love said:

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Ag4life80 said:

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Every bit of this is avoided if the elected officials of Minnesota, who swore under oath to uphold the law, actually did their sworn duty. Then, it's just ICE picking up the bad guys with the aid of local law enforcement.

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Except ICE is picking up US citizens too.

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Not this crap again......... How many do they still have in custody that did nothing? How many total arrests have been made? While it certainly isn't good, %$#@ happens and regular cops do it on occasion, too, so it's not the horrible ICE issue you'd like to make it.

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There's an American man from Venezuela who was deported to El Salvador for having a tattoo that would like to have a word with you.

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That's horrible, if true.

But that's 1. With as many deportations as we've had....that's actually impressive, for govt work.

How many happened under Obama's deportation whirlwinds?

This board would be praising the red coats and posting FAFO after the Boston massacre if it existed in 1770

Among that pathos-soaked article lies a couple of key paragraphs:

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Immigration agents do have authority to detain Americans in limited circumstances. Agents can hold people whom they reasonably suspect are in the country illegally. We found more than 50 Americans who were held after agents questioned their citizenship. They were almost all Latino.

Immigration agents also can arrest citizens who allegedly interfered with or assaulted officers. We compiled cases of about 130 Americans, including a dozen elected officials, accused of assaulting or impeding officers.

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Listen, they are not just randomly detaining protestors with no reason. You know this. I know this. We all know this. Quite frankly, if you truly believed they were, you'd expect the numbers to be in the thousands. You know this isn't true.

The article truly is nauseating with its appeals to emotion. "Some were cancer patients. Some were pregnant". Okay, then why are they at protests? This underscores the backdrop of severe mental illness especially in the women protesting and agitating.

If these people truly thought there is mass repression going on, it would be similar to what is happening in Iran.

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This board would be praising the red coats and posting FAFO after the Boston massacre if it existed in 1770

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Hyperbole noted

policywonk98 said:

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I'm fully supportive of the work ICE is doing. But public perception wise. The administration is losing and will lose the public support on this based on these types of incidences.

1) Because the Progressive Leaders of MN et al are lying about what and why ICE is carrying out their duties
2) Because ICE agents are not trained for protest/crowd control and dangerous incidents like this will happen.
3) Trump and Trumps social media team and some officials are making unnecessarily provocative statements immediately surrounding these extreme situations.

Most Americans want immigration enforcement, they don't want drama and Americans dying in the process. It doesn't matter who is at fault or who did what. General population of the country doesn't what crisis surrounding this stuff. For better or worse that's just general desire of the masses.

Walz et al are absolutely stoking this fire to get these kinds of situations. Right or wrong, the feds have to change tactics to fit the context of their operating environment.

If you are pro immigration enforcement you have to hope Trumps team gets smarter on this. He's losing the American public very quickly on this issue. An issue that was one of his strongest issues.

On a broader note, also related to the church service protesting. I understand the right the peacefully protest. That right does not extend to private property. And I don't know case law on this, but it can't possible extend to the middle of a law enforcement action. Trumps team has to get better at the messaging around that and some how turn this around in a way that clearly impresses on the minds of the American public that the progressive groups are operating way outside of their 1st Amendment rights. Unless they can get a handle on the messaging immigration enforcement will take a huge step backward in the next few years.

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It is unfortunate that the leftists will go the extra step in letting a few of their useful idiots take a bullet for this and call them martyrs. Too many otherwise smart Americans won't see this for what it is. Rachel Good's death and this man's death are not on Trumps hands. These deaths are on the hands of the leftists for encouraging these people to catch bullets for their anarchist goals.

schmendeler said:

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This board would be praising the red coats and posting FAFO after the Boston massacre if it existed in 1770

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Bawahahah. Wow. Just wow. And your team would be praising the Bolsheviks after they murdered 12 million Ukrainian peasants in 1921-1924. Had Reddit or DU existed in 1921

Who?mikejones! said:

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schmendeler said:

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This board would be praising the red coats and posting FAFO after the Boston massacre if it existed in 1770

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Hyperbole noted

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You can't expect to get off scot-free after throwing snowballs at law enforcement! I heard they were even throwing rocks!