roycoy82 said:

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Who was black in the video? Guess you still didn't watch the video. Please watch the video and tell us what you think this was.

Can we post the video on here? I'll make sure it's not from Reuters, NYTimes, WSJ, etc: I'll find it on Fox News.

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Please. Put down the keyboard.

Rubicante said:

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Taking the notion that Failure to ID is a capital offense in stride, was there a part of the video I didn't see where he was searched for his ID before he was shot? I really hope we're not suggesting the killing can go from justified to unjustified based on whether they were able to find the required ID on him after the fact.

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To answer this question, I suggest you look up the definition of the Fallacy of Casual Reductionism to find your answer.

TAMUallen said:

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BlackLab said:

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As a former Special Forces Warrant Officer with multiple rotations running counterinsurgency ops—both hunting insurgents and trying to separate them from sympathetic populations—I’ve seen organized resistance up close. From Anbar to Helmand, the pattern is familiar: spotters,…

— Eric Schwalm (@Schwalm5132) January 25, 2026

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Staff, delete or revise if necessary but it seemed important to share Eric Schwalm's tweet since it would be lost in the shuffle as he's replying to a tweet we've seen numerous times

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As a former Special Forces Warrant Officer with multiple rotations running counterinsurgency opsboth hunting insurgents and trying to separate them from sympathetic populationsI've seen organized resistance up close. From Anbar to Helmand, the pattern is familiar: spotters, cutouts, dead drops (or modern equivalents), disciplined comms, role specialization, and a willingness to absorb casualties while bleeding the stronger force slowly.

What's unfolding in Minneapolis right now isn't "protest." It's low-level insurgency infrastructure, built by people who've clearly studied the playbook.

Signal groups at 1,000-member cap per zone. Dedicated roles: mobile chasers, plate checkers logging vehicle data into shared databases, 24/7 dispatch nodes vectoring assets, SALUTE-style reporting (Size, Activity, Location, Unit, Time, Equipment) on suspected federal vehicles. Daily chat rotations and timed deletions to frustrate forensic recovery. Vetting processes for new joiners. Mutual aid from sympathetic locals (teachers providing cover, possible PD tip-offs on license plate lookups). Home-base coordination points. Rapid escalation from observation to physical obstructionor worse.

This isn't spontaneous outrage. This is C2 (command and control) with redundancy, OPSEC hygiene, and task organization that would make a SF team sergeant nod in recognition. Replace "ICE agents" with "occupying coalition forces" and the structure maps almost 1:1 to early-stage urban cells we hunted in the mid-2000s.

The most sobering part? It's domestic. Funded, trained (somewhere), and directed by people who live in the same country they're trying to paralyze law enforcement in. When your own citizens build and operate this level of parallel intelligence and rapid-response network against federal officerscomplete with doxxing, vehicle pursuits, and harassment that's already turned lethalyou're no longer dealing with civil disobedience. You're facing a distributed resistance that's learned the lessons of successful insurgencies: stay below the kinetic threshold most of the time, force over-reaction when possible, maintain popular support through narrative, and never present a single center of gravity.

I spent years training partner forces to dismantle exactly this kind of apparatus. Now pieces of it are standing up in American cities, enabled by elements of local government and civil society. That should keep every thinking American awake at night.

Not because I want escalation. But because history shows these things don't de-escalate on their own once the infrastructure exists and the cadre believe they're winning the information war.

We either recognize what we're actually looking ator we pretend it's still just "activism" until the structures harden and spread.

Your call, America. But from where I sit, this isn't January 2026 politics anymore.
It's phase one of something we've spent decades trying to keep off our own soil.

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I'm curious what this person would expect Americans to do if in fact a tyrannical government were to start to take root.

Obviously people have very different opinions on whether the Trump administration is sliding towards "fascism."

But if it were, would citizens organize to monitor and do things like this?

B-1 83 said:

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ETFan said:

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B-1 83 said:

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Aggie4Christ09 said:

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Analysis: "In a few moments, Pretti’s killing turned some Trump supporters, including members of his administration, against generations of conservative orthodoxy on the Second Amendment." https://t.co/42c6UneEgA

— NBC News (@NBCNews) January 26, 2026

Hypocrisy of the highest order

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Hardly the "Gottcha" you think it is. The most ardent 2A defenders will tell you with that right to carry comes responsibility and there are rules. No ID and not resisting arrest with a federal LEO are among those.

Cluelessness of the highest order.

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Still refusing to watch the video?

How could he have given them an ID? He was pushed to the ground and maced. Never touched his weapon. Had it removed. Then was murdered. Within about 30 seconds?


How can any reasonable person watch the videos and go "yep, he messed up" and not "wtf are those agents doing?".

Fake ass 2A'ers.

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Apparently he was not carrying any ID (as required). How can any reasonable person think those agents just decided to shoot him with zero reason?

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please, all on here saying he had no ID...after watching the video's, when was he ASKED to produce an ID?, was it before he went to help the woman pushed down by it ICE officer, was it while he was being maced, was it while he had 6 ICE officers on top of him, hitting him with some kind of metal object, was it after the dude takes his weapon, was it before he was shot 10 times... when???

docb said:

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I'm not advocating illegals by any means but I'm just wondering how many pointing fingers in this thread actually have an illegal or two on the crew mowing their yard. We'll never know but I bet the answer is yes. Unless all of these legal Texas Mexicans just don't speak English. I think it would be hilarious if a lot of these fat ass home owners actually had to mow their own lawn.

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Two separate issues. Of course, there are illegals all over the place and many are productive. The problem is that the previous administration allowed for the border to be so wide open, no telling who came thru. So we need a correction of that as that is the issue. But the ultimate answer is true immigration reform, something that we just have been unable to do.

DarkBrandon01 said:

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Old Gorm said:

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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If my car was stolen the last thing I would care about is if they were a citizen. It's an irrelevant detail just like any other characteristic. Shutting down the border does not make my life any easier or safer.

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So you believe we should accept illegal criminals because we already have criminals in the country.

Little wonder you guys ended up Knee Pads and Tampon Timmy as your nominees in 2024.

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The only thing that concerns me about immigration policy is if it makes America better or worse. I believe the it makes our country better. If you can find me data that suggests immigration makes our country more dangerous or worse economically, I will gladly change my position.

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What do you mean by "immigration policy" and the general term "immigration".

Dark Brandon opened borders which flowed mass quantities of drugs and unvetted immigrants, many of whom were in gangs, prisons, asylums in their country of origin. Along with those peaches the uncontrolled "migration" completely juiced the human / child / sex trafficking business. To the point of making Epstein & friends look like innocent Catholic priests.

Millions of rapes. Millions. Is that the "immigration policy" you say makes America better? Really?

jteAg said:

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B-1 83 said:

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ETFan said:

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B-1 83 said:

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Aggie4Christ09 said:

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Analysis: "In a few moments, Pretti’s killing turned some Trump supporters, including members of his administration, against generations of conservative orthodoxy on the Second Amendment." https://t.co/42c6UneEgA

— NBC News (@NBCNews) January 26, 2026

Hypocrisy of the highest order

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Hardly the "Gottcha" you think it is. The most ardent 2A defenders will tell you with that right to carry comes responsibility and there are rules. No ID and not resisting arrest with a federal LEO are among those.

Cluelessness of the highest order.

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Still refusing to watch the video?

How could he have given them an ID? He was pushed to the ground and maced. Never touched his weapon. Had it removed. Then was murdered. Within about 30 seconds?


How can any reasonable person watch the videos and go "yep, he messed up" and not "wtf are those agents doing?".

Fake ass 2A'ers.

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Apparently he was not carrying any ID (as required). How can any reasonable person think those agents just decided to shoot him with zero reason?

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please, all on here saying he had no ID...after watching the video's, when was he ASKED to produce an ID?, was it before he went to help the woman pushed down by it ICE officer, was it while he was being maced, was it while he had 6 ICE officers on top of him, hitting him with some kind of metal object, was it after the dude takes his weapon, was it before he was shot 10 times... when???

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So you think those agents just decided to shoot him with zero reason?

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docb said:

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I'm not advocating illegals by any means but I'm just wondering how many pointing fingers in this thread actually have an illegal or two on the crew mowing their yard. We'll never know but I bet the answer is yes. Unless all of these legal Texas Mexicans just don't speak English. I think it would be hilarious if a lot of these fat ass home owners actually had to mow their own lawn.

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Two separate issues. Of course, there are illegals all over the place and many are productive. The problem is that the previous administration allowed for the border to be so wide open, no telling who came thru. So we need a correction of that as that is the issue. But the ultimate answer is true immigration reform, something that we just have been unable to do.

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I just think it's a hypocrisy for a person to be complaining about illegals while employing them at the same time.

docb said:

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I'm not advocating illegals by any means but I'm just wondering how many pointing fingers in this thread actually have an illegal or two on the crew mowing their yard. We'll never know but I bet the answer is yes. Unless all of these legal Texas Mexicans just don't speak English. I think it would be hilarious if a lot of these fat ass home owners actually had to mow their own lawn.

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Who you calling fat?

MemphisAg1 said:

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Trump is sending Tom Homan to Minnesota to manage ICE.

Get your popcorn ready.

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From a pragmatic perspective, I like Homan. From a PR perspective, I see nothing positive coming from this. This is just more gasoline on the fire.

shiftyandquick said:

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TAMUallen said:

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BlackLab said:

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As a former Special Forces Warrant Officer with multiple rotations running counterinsurgency ops—both hunting insurgents and trying to separate them from sympathetic populations—I’ve seen organized resistance up close. From Anbar to Helmand, the pattern is familiar: spotters,…

— Eric Schwalm (@Schwalm5132) January 25, 2026

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Staff, delete or revise if necessary but it seemed important to share Eric Schwalm's tweet since it would be lost in the shuffle as he's replying to a tweet we've seen numerous times

Quote:

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As a former Special Forces Warrant Officer with multiple rotations running counterinsurgency opsboth hunting insurgents and trying to separate them from sympathetic populationsI've seen organized resistance up close. From Anbar to Helmand, the pattern is familiar: spotters, cutouts, dead drops (or modern equivalents), disciplined comms, role specialization, and a willingness to absorb casualties while bleeding the stronger force slowly.

What's unfolding in Minneapolis right now isn't "protest." It's low-level insurgency infrastructure, built by people who've clearly studied the playbook.

Signal groups at 1,000-member cap per zone. Dedicated roles: mobile chasers, plate checkers logging vehicle data into shared databases, 24/7 dispatch nodes vectoring assets, SALUTE-style reporting (Size, Activity, Location, Unit, Time, Equipment) on suspected federal vehicles. Daily chat rotations and timed deletions to frustrate forensic recovery. Vetting processes for new joiners. Mutual aid from sympathetic locals (teachers providing cover, possible PD tip-offs on license plate lookups). Home-base coordination points. Rapid escalation from observation to physical obstructionor worse.

This isn't spontaneous outrage. This is C2 (command and control) with redundancy, OPSEC hygiene, and task organization that would make a SF team sergeant nod in recognition. Replace "ICE agents" with "occupying coalition forces" and the structure maps almost 1:1 to early-stage urban cells we hunted in the mid-2000s.

The most sobering part? It's domestic. Funded, trained (somewhere), and directed by people who live in the same country they're trying to paralyze law enforcement in. When your own citizens build and operate this level of parallel intelligence and rapid-response network against federal officerscomplete with doxxing, vehicle pursuits, and harassment that's already turned lethalyou're no longer dealing with civil disobedience. You're facing a distributed resistance that's learned the lessons of successful insurgencies: stay below the kinetic threshold most of the time, force over-reaction when possible, maintain popular support through narrative, and never present a single center of gravity.

I spent years training partner forces to dismantle exactly this kind of apparatus. Now pieces of it are standing up in American cities, enabled by elements of local government and civil society. That should keep every thinking American awake at night.

Not because I want escalation. But because history shows these things don't de-escalate on their own once the infrastructure exists and the cadre believe they're winning the information war.

We either recognize what we're actually looking ator we pretend it's still just "activism" until the structures harden and spread.

Your call, America. But from where I sit, this isn't January 2026 politics anymore.
It's phase one of something we've spent decades trying to keep off our own soil.

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I'm curious what this person would expect Americans to do if in fact a tyrannical government were to start to take root.

Obviously people have very different opinions on whether the Trump administration is sliding towards "fascism."

But if it were, would citizens organize to monitor and do things like this?

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If your scenario was remotely true at this moment, I would expect there to be more than a handful of deep blue (or Red, for that matter) states that recognize the problem. The fascism, as you say, would be widespread and recognized by both sides.

This is an extremely small group of ideologues who disagree with current policy and therefore attach a "fascist" or "Nazi" label to policies and people they disagree with.

No bueno, as you then begin to destroy the very things you are claiming to protect.

Burdizzo said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Trump is sending Tom Homan to Minnesota to manage ICE.

Get your popcorn ready.

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From a pragmatic perspective, I like Homan. From a PR perspective, I see nothing positive coming from this. This is just more gasoline on the fire.

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They need to manage the narrative to separate it into at least a couple issues.

1. The shooting -- acknowledge an investigation is underway, as is the case for any shooting. They won't pre-judge the outcome until all of the facts have been collected and considered. They'll report the findings after it's been fully pressure-tested. Internet and X sound bites won't be the measuring stick. Thoughtful, objective consideration will be the path.

2. Federal law enforcement -- they need to vigorously remind the public they are in MN -- and all other US states -- to enforce federal immigration law and won't slow down one bit. They also need to call out the clear incitement by the Governor and mayor to whip extreme leftists into a rage that just makes the situation much worse. They should also acknowledge that US citizens have the right to protest peacefully, but interfering with federal agents in the execution of their job is a crime and will be dealt with accordingly.

roycoy82 said:

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Please watch the video. I have a hard time when federal police take over streets and start murdering civilians. LEGAL WHITE ICU NURSES. watch the video dude. I dare you.

Hope you don't have a son driving around some night and just happened to not follow all the "rules". Prolly his fault, right? He got out of the truck…

Sent by a white dude living in Fort Worth. There's good cops, bad guys, and also ****ty cops and good guys. Don't act so naive after watching the video.

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So?

It doesn't take wide open borders to have affordable manual labor. That can be solved. Legally

Burdizzo said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Trump is sending Tom Homan to Minnesota to manage ICE.

Get your popcorn ready.

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From a pragmatic perspective, I like Homan. From a PR perspective, I see nothing positive coming from this. This is just more gasoline on the fire.

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Maybe. But bud the fire has been lit. And yes the war for hearts and minds is on but think logistically as well as politically. Many of these radicals are not from Minn or the twin cities. They are from Portland, Seattle, LA, Atl, DFW you name it. They are piling in from all over to.

1. Throw that gasoline on the fire for narrative- your point
2. Train and learn
3. Then spread their poison.

Buddy the fire has already been lit and they've already brought the gasoline.

Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

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docb said:

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I'm not advocating illegals by any means but I'm just wondering how many pointing fingers in this thread actually have an illegal or two on the crew mowing their yard. We'll never know but I bet the answer is yes. Unless all of these legal Texas Mexicans just don't speak English. I think it would be hilarious if a lot of these fat ass home owners actually had to mow their own lawn.

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I do my own yard work.

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As do I. Sounds like somebody is projecting a bit.

Burdizzo said:

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B-1 83 said:

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ETFan said:

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B-1 83 said:

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Aggie4Christ09 said:

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Analysis: "In a few moments, Pretti’s killing turned some Trump supporters, including members of his administration, against generations of conservative orthodoxy on the Second Amendment." https://t.co/42c6UneEgA

— NBC News (@NBCNews) January 26, 2026

Hypocrisy of the highest order

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Hardly the "Gottcha" you think it is. The most ardent 2A defenders will tell you with that right to carry comes responsibility and there are rules. No ID and not resisting arrest with a federal LEO are among those.

Cluelessness of the highest order.

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Still refusing to watch the video?

How could he have given them an ID? He was pushed to the ground and maced. Never touched his weapon. Had it removed. Then was murdered. Within about 30 seconds?


How can any reasonable person watch the videos and go "yep, he messed up" and not "wtf are those agents doing?".

Fake ass 2A'ers.

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Apparently he was not carrying any ID (as required). How can any reasonable person think those agents just decided to shoot him with zero reason?

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Don't need ID to vote

Don't need ID when carrying a firearm.

This is encouraging anarchy with the end game of institutionalizing authoritarianism. These people are baiting the police into making them look bad so that they can install a new form of government.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Minnesota law require it as part of concealed carry? If so, why did he not do it?

ICE should be bouncing around more frequently I think. Keep the traveling hordes of protesters on the move. If nothing else the additional transportation costs should be hurting the financiers of this opposition.

jteAg said:

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please, all on here saying he had no ID...after watching the video's, when was he ASKED to produce an ID?, was it before he went to help the woman pushed down by it ICE officer, was it while he was being maced, was it while he had 6 ICE officers on top of him, hitting him with some kind of metal object, was it after the dude takes his weapon, was it before he was shot 10 times... when???

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While I think it's an ancillary discussion point, the point I believe they are making is that if this is true (we really don't know it for a fact yet) it just shows he is making a number of questionable decisions along the path to his death.

ttu_85 said:

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Burdizzo said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Trump is sending Tom Homan to Minnesota to manage ICE.

Get your popcorn ready.

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From a pragmatic perspective, I like Homan. From a PR perspective, I see nothing positive coming from this. This is just more gasoline on the fire.

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Maybe. But bud the fire has been lit. And yes the war for hearts and minds is on but think logistically as well as politically. Many of these radicals are not from Minn or the twin cities. They are from Portland, Seattle, LA, Atl, DFW you name it. They are piling in from all over to.

1. Throw that gasoline on the fire for narrative- your point
2. Train and learn
3. Then spread their poison.

Buddy the fire has already been lit and they've already brought the gasoline.

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They're using this as a networking function. Plus, they have to brainstorm together to find new ways of communicating since one of their primary apps has been infiltrated and then sent many foot soldiers scurrying like cockroaches. It's a clear regrouping situation