ETFan said:
B-1 83 said:
Aggie4Christ09 said:
Hypocrisy of the highest order
Hardly the "Gottcha" you think it is. The most ardent 2A defenders will tell you with that right to carry comes responsibility and there are rules. No ID and not resisting arrest with a federal LEO are among those.
Cluelessness of the highest order.
Still refusing to watch the video?
How could he have given them an ID? He was pushed to the ground and maced. Never touched his weapon. Had it removed. Then was murdered. Within about 30 seconds?
How can any reasonable person watch the videos and go "yep, he messed up" and not "wtf are those agents doing?".
Fake ass 2A'ers.
How long had he been there harassing officers? Had he been asked to ID himself before the video you saw? Did he have other confrontations with agents earlier that day?
Or are you assuming he had just arrived to the party, walked up to help an innocent lady, then was murdered in cold blood within 30 seconds of his arrival?
My bet is he had been there for some time, had been threatening, had been stirring the pot, finally pushed things too far, received pepper spray, fought back, was being detained, somehow someone's gun went off on accident, and after that first accidental shot, the officers started shooting him, assuming he was a threat due to how he had been acting and fighting them (and knowing he had been armed).
I've watched the video multiple times at multiple angles. There is a lot going on there that is hard to see. Yes, he had been disarmed about 1-2 seconds before that first shot, but in the heat of the moment, with everyone fighting and trying to get him down, I guarantee you not half of the officers saw and knew that another officer had disarmed him. They were in a struggle, heard a shot, then reacted. It's clear that there is a pause between the first shot and the following repeated shots once officers reacted and unholstered their weapons.
This was all accidental, and occurred 100% due to the actions of the guy you're trying to martyr. 1) don't show up and harass agents, 2) if you protest, actually protest peacefully, 3) don't bring a gun unless you intent to use it, 4) once things start to turn bad, don't struggle, don't reach for your weapon, don't fight back, don't resist arrest unless you intend to fight or kill your way out of the situation you're in.