Minneapolis getting Hot? [Staff Warning. Take Note]

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ttu_85 said:

Wow check out this dude's sig. No one should have to work to survive. Your right to life should not depend solely on your ability to produce capital.

"No one should have to work to survive" WTF! Tells you all you need to know.
True commies have entered the chat.

Note: I am simply posting whats on his handle. And it is relevant to the thread displaying the mentality and politics of posters.
The second sentence is extremely pertinent to the first. I believe that every person, regardless of race, creed, of belief should have the opportunity to provide for themselves and their loved ones without having to justify their existence. Rooted directly in the teachings of my Lord and Savior. Feel free to reach out if you have any questions.
No one should have to work to survive. Your right to life should not depend solely on your ability to produce capital.
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Horn_in_Aggieland said:

Now we get Walz's side



The Governor made the case that we need impartial investigations of the Minneapolis shootings involving federal agents...,

Impartial, huh? Ok. Let's do it. Send in the Texas Rangers.
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flown-the-coop said:

You a misreading the whole development on this.

Walz is thinking he will negotiate like the Ayatollah and score false points on twitter.

Trump meanwhile is gearing to carpet bomb Minneapolis over ICE and Somali scandal.

But if you think this is a cleanup or a taco, you are going to be massively dissappointed.
trump ultimately cares most about how things look on tv, and he knows they don't look good for him here. they've fumbled their way through trying to control the narrative around pretti and have failed. at some point even trump will stop digging his own grave.
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Old McDonald said:

Horn_in_Aggieland said:


between this and other news from overnight, looks like this is the trump admin seeking an off-ramp for the minnesota situation. further escalation will only deepen their predicament.

also interesting to see trump send homan in to clean up noem's mess. if push comes to shove, gotta think they'll throw her under the bus.

Trump looking for an off ramp? Who made the call? Try again.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

Walton is a radical Bernie bro. He's here with new talking points.

These people will stop at nothing to gain power. It doesn't matter how many Americans die, China Tim Walz and all these Marxists will make this as dangerous and violent as possible to keep illegals here. They want the votes Americans won't give them.
Yes, I'm extremely radical in my belief that the government should have limited and explicit power, that congressional representatives should be composed of people that actually live in the communities they hold power over, and that free speech and the second amendment should be absolute. I know that's very controversial for the boot licking groups you submit to.
No one should have to work to survive. Your right to life should not depend solely on your ability to produce capital.
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Leftist* Signal Gate.


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shiftyandquick said:

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I wonder what the Republican house members and Senators up for election in 2026 are thinking as they watch this, knowing that many of them will lose their elections as a result of the White House messaging and PR fiascos. I guess they are happy to take one for the team.

You've reposted this several times . its not nearly as effective as you think. This story is far from over. And the right will launch an easy to message counter strike.

Whatever you say. I suppose you think the GOP will be making gains in the House and Senate.

We'll see. I guess the polls are all fake, right?


You might want to stay out of the election prediction business chief

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Aglaw97 said:

Old McDonald said:

Horn_in_Aggieland said:



between this and other news from overnight, looks like this is the trump admin seeking an off-ramp for the minnesota situation. further escalation will only deepen their predicament.

also interesting to see trump send homan in to clean up noem's mess. if push comes to shove, gotta think they'll throw her under the bus.

Nobody is naive enough to believe either side is doing this without their own political calculus in mind. Nevertheless, I would hope everyone would celebrate a way to lower the temperature in MN in the immediate term.

If by lower the temperature you mean keep adding ICE to the fire until the rule of law is respected? Then yes - by all means cool them off with some more ICE.
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I don't think Trump would be sending Homan in if he was TACOing on this. I don't think he trusts Walz as far as he can throw him but I think is willing to open the lines of communications to see what can be done to cool things off for the moment. A big issue is the lack of support from the local PD on ICE missions which I'm sure has frustrated and put many agents in danger, to get that, Trump may have to give the MN BCA a peek into the investigation of the Good and Pretti shootings.
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From the statement from Walz' office:

The Governor reminded President Trump that the Minnesota Department of Corrections already honors federal detainers by notifying Immigration and Customs Enforcement when a person committed to its custody isn't a U.S. citizen. There is not a single documented case of the department's releasing someone from state prison without offering to ensure a smooth transfer of custody.

Red Herring alert!!! That's like saying TDCJ is cooperating by letting ICE know about illegals already incarcerated in state prisons. It says NOTHING about those arrested and held or released prior to trial and/or incarceration in the many county or local jurisdictions.

This paragraph right here indicates that Walz is not dealing in good faith.
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DarkBrandon01 said:

samurai_science said:

Old McDonald said:

just sad all around. rip pretti, he didn't deserve what happened to him.

I am not sad, he was defending the deportation of illegals raping, assaulting, and murdering Americans. Its not a tragedy he is gone, he offered nothing.



Statistically, I am more likely to be to be murdered by a citizen than an illegal (population adjusted). Our criminals are home grown.

Irrelevant, even if true.
All crimes committed by illegal aliens would not occur if the previous administration had not opened our borders.

ETA : It may be the truth defies the trope illegal aliens commit less crime
SCAAP Data Suggest Illegal Aliens Commit Crime at a Much Higher Rate Than Citizens & Lawful Immigrants
  • In fact, this report finds that in the states examined, illegal aliens are incarcerated up to five and a half times as frequently a s citizens and legal immigrants.
We really need to rewrite our laws concerning libel and slander.
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A big issue is the lack of support from the local PD on ICE missions which I'm sure has frustrated and put many agents in danger, to get that, Trump may have to give the MN BCA a peek into the investigation of the Good and Pretti shootings.

They are largely useless, based upon my observation of the Chauvin trial.
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Aglaw97 said:

Nobody is naive enough to believe either side is doing this without their own political calculus in mind.

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richardag said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

samurai_science said:

Old McDonald said:

just sad all around. rip pretti, he didn't deserve what happened to him.

I am not sad, he was defending the deportation of illegals raping, assaulting, and murdering Americans. Its not a tragedy he is gone, he offered nothing.



Statistically, I am more likely to be to be murdered by a citizen than an illegal (population adjusted). Our criminals are home grown.

Irrelevant, even if true.
All crimes committed by illegal aliens would not occur if the previous administration had not opened our borders.

Exactly, tell these citizens the stats ....they were more likely to be killed by an American, but an illegal killed them


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Old McDonald said:

flown-the-coop said:

You a misreading the whole development on this.

Walz is thinking he will negotiate like the Ayatollah and score false points on twitter.

Trump meanwhile is gearing to carpet bomb Minneapolis over ICE and Somali scandal.

But if you think this is a cleanup or a taco, you are going to be massively dissappointed.

trump ultimately cares most about how things look on tv, and he knows they don't look good for him here. they've fumbled their way through trying to control the narrative around pretti and have failed. at some point even trump will stop digging his own grave.

So now you're a Trump Specialist and knows what he wants ? Trump could care less about his TV Persona, it's why he trolls the left so hard and you fall for it every time.

Petridish has already been pushed off the front page by an actual Ice Storm. Let's get back to the real issue, which is massive Fraud and how the left wants to continue to hide from it.
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It's beyond time to bring a case against the Soros family. Until that happens this crap isn't going to stop and these riots will continue to be funded.
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WaltonAg18 said:

ttu_85 said:

Wow check out this dude's sig. No one should have to work to survive. Your right to life should not depend solely on your ability to produce capital.

"No one should have to work to survive" WTF! Tells you all you need to know.
True commies have entered the chat.

Note: I am simply posting whats on his handle. And it is relevant to the thread displaying the mentality and politics of posters.

The second sentence is extremely pertinent to the first. I believe that every person, regardless of race, creed, of belief should have the opportunity to provide for themselves and their loved ones without having to justify their existence. Rooted directly in the teachings of my Lord and Savior. Feel free to reach out if you have any questions.

Ok. This we can discuss. And yes I agree with much of this. Far better references than your Sig. But in Timothy Paul said "He that doesn't work doesn't eat." Very clear on this point. And what Jesus was talking about was spiritual food. Its clear the disciples worked very hard in both their spiritual development and for providing for their physical needs.

Taking food or whatever if physically able, is theft or gifting. There where plenty of widows and disabled that needed help before physically able men back then and today.

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Easy to follow thread about the whole network Higby infiltrated.


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Karoline Leavitt's press conference does not seem like anything is cooling. Trump has given clear objectives that must occur by Walz and Frey. They will not do any of the 3
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TAMUallen said:

Karoline Leavitt's press conference does not seem like anything is cooling. Trump has given clear objectives that must occur by Walz and Frey. They will not do any of the 3

What were they?
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David_Puddy said:

It's beyond time to bring a case against the Soros family. Until that happens this crap isn't going to stop and these riots will continue to be funded.

Yep, running way late for this. This should have been done 10 years ago. This dude has been enemy #1 of traditional America for decades. If I was in Trumps shoes this would have been a high priority play back in term 1
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WaltonAg18 said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

Walton is a radical Bernie bro. He's here with new talking points.

These people will stop at nothing to gain power. It doesn't matter how many Americans die, China Tim Walz and all these Marxists will make this as dangerous and violent as possible to keep illegals here. They want the votes Americans won't give them.
Yes, I'm extremely radical in my belief that the government should have limited and explicit power, that congressional representatives should be composed of people that actually live in the communities they hold power over, and that free speech and the second amendment should be absolute. I know that's very controversial for the boot licking groups you submit to.



How do you feel about a country's right to secure its own borders, enforce its own laws, and deport everyone that is here illegally?
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P.U.T.U said:

TAMUallen said:

Karoline Leavitt's press conference does not seem like anything is cooling. Trump has given clear objectives that must occur by Walz and Frey. They will not do any of the 3

What were they?

Number one was to turn over ALL illegal aliens in the possession of any jail / correctional facility in Minneapolis.

Then my phone rang. But they will be out there.

As TAMUAllen indicated, there is no sign Trump is backing down.
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I probably should not say what I would do with the Soros family if I was in Trump's shoes.
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flown-the-coop said:

P.U.T.U said:

TAMUallen said:

Karoline Leavitt's press conference does not seem like anything is cooling. Trump has given clear objectives that must occur by Walz and Frey. They will not do any of the 3

What were they?

Number one was to turn over ALL illegal aliens in the possession of any jail / correctional facility in Minneapolis.

Then my phone rang. But they will be out there.

As TAMUAllen indicated, there is no sign Trump is backing down.

This is very good Trump. He needs to stay strong on this.

The R's in Congress need to stiffen their spine and back him up.
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Old McDonald said:

Horn_in_Aggieland said:


between this and other news from overnight, looks like this is the trump admin seeking an off-ramp for the minnesota situation. further escalation will only deepen their predicament.

also interesting to see trump send homan in to clean up noem's mess. if push comes to shove, gotta think they'll throw her under the bus.
I hope it's misdirection and Trump
Sends in a large assault group to arrest Walz, the Lt Governor, Frey, the police chief, and any other official involved in insurrection. They should face tribunals.
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

I probably should not say what I would do with the Soros family if I was in Trump's shoes.

What, doesn't everybody love a good seaside helicopter ride?
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P.U.T.U said:

TAMUallen said:

Karoline Leavitt's press conference does not seem like anything is cooling. Trump has given clear objectives that must occur by Walz and Frey. They will not do any of the 3

What were they?


Theyre all basically cooperate, work together and do not obstruct federal law enforcement
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Great read for all the newly minted 2A experts on the left that are claiming this is somehow a crisis with respect to the constitution or hypocrisy on the right. This is very well stated.



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Every concealed carry course teaches you that when you are carrying, any conflict you become involved in is a conflict that has a gun in it, and that isn't a fact that always makes you safer.

Because anybody who knows you have it and has a good reason to think you're about to use it is allowed to use theirs first. Especially cops. Having a gun never makes you safer in an interaction with a cop, and if you find yourself in a situation where you are interacting with a cop while legally carrying, you want that gun to cease to be an element of the encounter.

Concealed carry courses teach you how to interact with cops when you are carrying. You display your empty hands you put them on your steering wheel or in the air, you inform the cop that you are a permit holder, you tell him where the gun is, and then you wait for instructions on what to do next. If the cop feels that he is not safe, you are not safe.

Because if he gets the idea you're reaching for that weapon, he may kill you and your permit or your right to carry has absolutely no bearing on his justification to do so.

If a cop reasonably thinks you pose a danger to him, he can justifiably shoot you. If you have a gun and you can get hold of it, then you reasonably pose a danger to the cop. The Second Amendment, your concealed carry permit or open carry laws in your state are not part of this analysis. They do not matter in any way.

Taking your weapon to a violent demonstration where you will be among protesters who are clashing with cops is a wildly irresponsible thing to do, because the presence of a gun changes the way the cops are going to deal with you and everyone you are with.

The Second Amendment and concealed carry permits and open carry laws in no way lessen the criminal implications of having a gun while committing a crime. The presence of the gun escalates the seriousness of the crime dramatically over what it would have been if you had committed the crime without a weapon, and it makes no difference whether you have a permit or whether you got the gun from a guy in an alley.

Direct action impeding federal law enforcement officers in the course of their duty, helping migrants to escape from law enforcement, assaulting an officer these are all crimes, and every one of these crimes becomes much more severe if you're armed while you're doing it.

Having a permit doesn't mean it was legal for him to be carrying at the demonstration, because it is never legal to be armed while doing a crime.


A few of the replies and responses:
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Q. Quote "Taking your weapon to a violent demonstration where you will be among protesters who are clashing with cops is a wildly irresponsible thing to do"

In fairness, this is basically what Kyle Rittenhouse did.

A. Kyle Rittenhouse was invited to guard a car lot in a neighborhood cops had mostly abandoned during a riot. And when he encountered cops, he immediately put his hands up and surrendered.

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Q. Isnt the 2A supposed to be a last defence against tyrannical government?

A. Sure 2A is there so you have the means to overthrow a tyrannical sovereign. But if you fail to overthrow the government, you are subject to its laws and punished under them. Overthrowing the government is not a protected activity.


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Karoline did invoke the Medal of Freedom awarded by Barrack HUSSEIN Obama to Homan.

She made a point of mentioning Barry's middle name.
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Author Larry Correia encapsulates my thoughts on this perfectly:

It's amazing how dishonest the framing is today.
I don't know if this shooting is justified or not yet. Nobody does. Anybody who pretends they know for sure is a partisan hack talking out their rear
However, if you provoke hundreds of confrontations, over and over, with the same bunch of feds, you can't pretend to be surprised when something bad eventually happens.
Just off the math alone, with humans being human, if you force them into a bunch of altercations a day, eventually somebody is gonna get shot.
Everybody with a brain knows this. Useful idiots act like there's no such thing as context and every incident exits in a vacuum of perfect clarity. The politicians pushing this know it. It's just playing the odds, and truth is they are happy for more useful idiots to die.
This whole thing has got nothing to do with immigration. It's just the never ending continuation of the left's perpetual temper tantrum to punish America whenever we vote wrong.
Then you've got the left trying to shame the right into assisting them in their attempt to destroy us. "We thought you didn't like the feds. Hypocrites. Boot lickers" etc.
On the contrary. We distrust and dislike the government. But we DESPISE communists.
In this case the people demanding we go shoot the cops who are enforcing the laws WE VOTED FOR, don't hesitate to use the feds as a club against us whenever they are in charge. The Venn diagram of dishonest scumbags crying "boot licker" today with scumbags who said they were going to use the Army to take our guns and kill us if we resist, look like a stack of pancakes.
Nobody is this gullible. And yes, this is very much a left verses right issue. People like to pretend otherwise, but we all know that's bull hockey.
This is a repeat of the great Democrat temper tantrum of 2020, and they're hoping for a similar outcome. The fact this is happening in the same corrupt, commie poop hole as last time should be a clue.
Dishonest trash are framing this as out of control Gestapo feds grabbing an innocent CCW guy off the streets and executing him. Which seems to be skipping some mighty big steps in this particular equation, but that's where we're at now.
So it's the usual thing where lefties do a bunch of stuff, cause trouble, destroy society, something bad inevitably happens, and then they cry about it until we put them back in power so they can stomp on our necks with impunity.
The part they miss is that most of us really don't like the government, but we actively fear it when they're in charge. And spare us the tears, moral equivalence shills, they are gleefully worse.
It isn't that the left suddenly cares about the plight of poor "immigrants". They care about winning and consolidating power. Illegal populations give them more numbers for congressional seats and more opportunities for fraud. That's it.
Only the most gullible of idiots believe their crap about Literally Hitler Fascist Racist whatever. It's a bunch of histrionic theater kids cosplaying being victims, and they are so terrified of the actual Gestapo that they go out and annoy them all day, as sensible people do.
The only thing I wonder about is to what extent normie America is going to fall for this scam again?


***edited slightly for bad words***
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Bovino will continue operating but Homan is confirmed to the man in charge now on the ground
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Old McDonald said:

Horn_in_Aggieland said:



between this and other news from overnight, looks like this is the trump admin seeking an off-ramp for the minnesota situation. further escalation will only deepen their predicament.

also interesting to see trump send homan in to clean up noem's mess. if push comes to shove, gotta think they'll throw her under the bus.

Why should Trump work with the left? The left WILL escalate this no matter what Trump does. They've proven time after time they cant be trusted.

The far left has been running the same play book fr 50+ years. We know what we are getting. But Trump is naive at times. Lets map this network of insurrections and roll their sorry asses up. And if it continues open up the provisions in the Insurrection Act. The filthy left would do it to us in a heart beat for far less cause.
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Here's the ICE watch training video @camhigby found. Let's deconstruct the first few minutes.

Lead by Eric Ward, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, a far-left NGO with nearly a billion-dollar endowment.

His academic work is in "Stochastic terrorism," which is "using hostile public rhetoric, repeated and amplified across media and communication platforms."

Literally, his expertise is manipulating minds.

He's not an expert on peaceful protests. He's not an operational guy. His background is in psychological warfare.

Participants were told "for their safety" they must "have training," but this training isn't about situational awareness, first aid, or practical defense against pepper spray.

It's, in fact, teaching you how to mentally prepare to escalate violence.

Let's look at his tactic.

First, a meditation session. Why? To get you "out of your brain" and in "touch with feelings."

He then explicitly tells everyone to tune out everything but their feelings.

Next… the four thousand people here are being asked to confront armed federal agents.

What is the natural reaction for anyone confronting armed men?

Nervousness. I love the police; my father-in-law was an NYPD officer, but my heart beats faster when I'm pulled over by my local PD.

He's telling them to listen to that "heat behind the eyes, tremble in your hands," which is fine, but then he is lying.

He's telling you to interpret that natural panic when facing authority as moral superiority and your "conscious."

Next, he has to dehumanize opponents and set the stage for "us vs. them," but this is tricky because almost every American knows a Republican.

So he says "I want to be clear who they are," and he gets very specific so the picture of your MAGA uncle or priest doesn't enter your mind.

Then he states the obvious, which everyone (even MAGA) will agree on:

"Renee Good should be alive.
Alex Pretti should be alive."

I agree with that statement, but the question is who's responsible for their deaths.

IMHO, the person most responsible is Eric Ward, but of course, he's not going to blame himself.

Then he says, "The people who died at the hands of ICE snd border patrol should be alive."

What people?

He doesn't say. It's not about the people; it's about drawing a straight line from Renee and Alex to ICE.

Then he says,

"Let's tell the truth."

Which any kindergartener knows is followed by lies, but his listeners are in a trance from the breathing exercise.

Listen to the sing-song nature of how he speaks. It's literally hypnosis. Hypnosis for the BIG whopper lie:

"Federal law enforcement is not here to keep us safe."

Really, Eric? Maybe you can make an argument that some federal law enforcement isn't here to keep us safe… but you didn't specify.

You didn't exclude organizations like the US Coast Guard, which is federal immigration law enforcement and does keep us safe.

Why? Because he needs to paint with broad strokes in case other agencies are called in.

Nad now the stage is set to dehumanize: "Federal law enforcement is killing people, beating people…"

And the worst lie: "Detaining people like disposable objects."

Once you are hypnotized. Once you trust your feelings over facts. Once you know those feelings make you morally superior. Once you know ICE thinks you are "disposable garbage," then you are prepared to act with violence!

Just trust your feelings and don't look at the massive endowment the Southern Poverty Law Center has to fund physiological operatives trained in Marxist theory like Eric Ward.

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