Minneapolis getting Hot? [Staff Warning. Take Note]

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Aggie4Christ09 said:

I've asked prob ten members of this board to show where this man interfered with law enforcement or show any sort of aggression, and they just ignore the request while continuing to spew the narrative.

This is pure delusion. Anything to protect Trump. Deeply concerning.
Until you go out and actually protest in Minnesota, scream and whistle at ICE, get in their faces and block their cars, your words here mean very little.
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Aggie4Christ09 said:

I've asked prob ten members of this board to show where this man interfered with law enforcement or show any sort of aggression, and they just ignore the request while continuing to spew the narrative.

This is pure delusion. Anything to protect Trump. Deeply concerning.

This is not a court of law, we dont have to provide evidence of anything, but its clear from the full video he was breaking the law.
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DarkBrandon01 said:

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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If my car was stolen the last thing I would care about is if they were a citizen. It's an irrelevant detail just like any other characteristic. Shutting down the border does not make my life any easier or safer.

So you believe we should accept illegal criminals because we already have criminals in the country.

Little wonder you guys ended up Knee Pads and Tampon Timmy as your nominees in 2024.



The only thing that concerns me about immigration policy is if it makes America better or worse. I believe the it makes our country better. If you can find me data that suggests immigration makes our country more dangerous or worse economically, I will gladly change my position.




Nobody is talking about legal immigration. They are talking about illegal immigration. Legal immigration, where we are selective, can be good. Illegal immigration does not make our country better.

It is way too hard takes way too long to become a citizen. Our economy demands far more immigrant labor than we can legally provide and that's why we have so many illegals. We should make becoming a citizen 100x faster and 100x easier if the applicant is deemed to be productive and not a gang member. We should also make illegals, who are already here and well behaved, citizens. There is no point in ripping these people away from their jobs and families. In fact that just causes more problems down the line.

But conservatives do not want this. They want to keep legal immigration extremely difficult because they have been fear mongered into believing that illegals want to kill them. If you suggest any rational immigration policy they bring up one the few dozen illegal murder cases in the last decade and accuse you of supporting criminals and the downfall of this country.

It only takes that long because we have be invaded by unvetted illegal aliens. Our country can only absorb so many immigrants yearly. Now we have criminal illegal aliens, we have Islamic sharia law aliens trying to impose sharia law which is in direct contradiction to our Constitution (and Imams preaching the violent overthrow of our government.
What part of a sensible immigration policy do you not understand.
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FireAg said:

He was in illegal possession of a concealed firearm and then put himself in a situation that put his life at great risk, very much in part due to the illegal firearm, and he paid for his choice with his life...

Cites?

Reports are that he had a license to carry.
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Teslag said:

Aggie4Christ09 said:

I've asked prob ten members of this board to show where this man interfered with law enforcement or show any sort of aggression, and they just ignore the request while continuing to spew the narrative.

This is pure delusion. Anything to protect Trump. Deeply concerning.


He put his hand on an officer carrying out duties. He tried to intervene, even in a positive way, to help someone ICE was engaged with. These don't warrant him being shot. But he did interfere. Those are both no-no's. Leave them alone. Stay out of it. Especially if armed.

Also, this ignores the fact who they are protesting for, its not the "poor and needy". Its pathetic.
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txags92 said:

FireAg said:

It's worth repeating...

If you conceal carry, your 2A rights are NOT protected if you do so improperly...

You must have your ID and your license with you...

Pretti had neither...his 2A rights are not protected in this situation...

Also worth repeating that he is not dead because he tried to exercise his 2A rights, he is dead because he sought out ongoing legal federal law enforcement activities and decided to put himself into the middle of them to interfere with agents carrying out their duties. The details of the actual incident are muddy and it looks like a bad shoot in 20/20 hindsight, but the bottom line is that he inserted himself into a situation that had nothing to do with him and did so while armed without identifying as such to the agents involved. When they became aware he had a gun and then the gun went off via an ND as he was disarmed, it sealed his fate.

If he had stayed home, he would be alive today. If he had stood on the sidewalk across the street from the action and blew a whistle, took videos, or held a sign objecting, he would be alive today. If he decided to intervene in the situation, but left his gun in the car before stepping into the fray, he would likely still be alive today. But he didn't. He went across the street for what I am sure he felt were noble reasons, but he did so while carrying a gun, and committed a federal crime in doing so. He was somewhere he didn't belong and he was carrying a gun when he did it, and he died because of an unfortunate accident that occurred while trying to relieve him of that gun.

I have often said that the best thing to do is to stay away from any and all protests. The best protest is to write a letter to your elected officials.
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TexasAggiesWin said:

Ag with kids said:

Old McDonald said:

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between this and other news from overnight, looks like this is the trump admin seeking an off-ramp for the minnesota situation. further escalation will only deepen their predicament.

also interesting to see trump send homan in to clean up noem's mess. if push comes to shove, gotta think they'll throw her under the bus.

That's the third or fourth time I've heard that from different sources...

It appears the talking points were sent out...

I would not be surprised if this is what MSNBC / CNN / The Guardian is pushing at this point. I'm sure that their entire front pages on their websites are saying exactly this in almost every single article.

Decided to scoot over to MSNOW and the host and the talking head are spreading lies about Jan 6th, Rittenhouse, and that MAGA brings guns to protest so they are all hypocrites.

She asked the guy why are they not seeing violence in other cities like NO and Memphis. Says National Guard is involved there and they know the local police and some are local police so it works better.

Then he says that ICE in those cities is not acting chaotically there and are lesser in number.

So what is it again that is unique about Minneapolis?
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eric76 said:

FireAg said:

He was in illegal possession of a concealed firearm and then put himself in a situation that put his life at great risk, very much in part due to the illegal firearm, and he paid for his choice with his life...

Cites?

Reports are that he had a license to carry.

Even more reason he is dumb and worm food. He acted like he was unarmed when he was.
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eric76 said:

FireAg said:

He was in illegal possession of a concealed firearm and then put himself in a situation that put his life at great risk, very much in part due to the illegal firearm, and he paid for his choice with his life...

Cites?

Reports are that he had a license to carry.
You cannot legally carry while committing a felony.
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aggiehawg said:



Your tax dollas Hawg. Your tax dollars.
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eric76 said:

FireAg said:

He was in illegal possession of a concealed firearm and then put himself in a situation that put his life at great risk, very much in part due to the illegal firearm, and he paid for his choice with his life...

Cites?

Reports are that he had a license to carry.

Allegedly he did...however, it was not with him at the time...nor was his ID...

MN CHL laws require you have photo ID and your license with you at all times if you are carrying a concealed firearm...
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samurai_science said:

Teslag said:

Aggie4Christ09 said:

I've asked prob ten members of this board to show where this man interfered with law enforcement or show any sort of aggression, and they just ignore the request while continuing to spew the narrative.

This is pure delusion. Anything to protect Trump. Deeply concerning.


He put his hand on an officer carrying out duties. He tried to intervene, even in a positive way, to help someone ICE was engaged with. These don't warrant him being shot. But he did interfere. Those are both no-no's. Leave them alone. Stay out of it. Especially if armed.

Also, this ignores the fact who they are protesting for, its not the "poor and needy". Its pathetic.


If they want to stand out there with signs that say "I Support Immigrant Child Rapists" that's fine. Gross and sick, but fine. Just don't interfere, get involved, touch an officer, or impede them. It's really really simple.
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flown-the-coop said:

TexasAggiesWin said:

Ag with kids said:

Old McDonald said:

Horn_in_Aggieland said:



between this and other news from overnight, looks like this is the trump admin seeking an off-ramp for the minnesota situation. further escalation will only deepen their predicament.

also interesting to see trump send homan in to clean up noem's mess. if push comes to shove, gotta think they'll throw her under the bus.

That's the third or fourth time I've heard that from different sources...

It appears the talking points were sent out...

I would not be surprised if this is what MSNBC / CNN / The Guardian is pushing at this point. I'm sure that their entire front pages on their websites are saying exactly this in almost every single article.

Decided to scoot over to MSNOW and the host and the talking head are spreading lies about Jan 6th, Rittenhouse, and that MAGA brings guns to protest so they are all hypocrites.

She asked the guy why are they not seeing violence in other cities like NO and Memphis. Says National Guard is involved there and they know the local police and some are local police so it works better.

Then he says that ICE in those cities is not acting chaotically there and are lesser in number.

So what is it again that is unique about Minneapolis?

Democrats


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The Unforgiven said:

Please see the pictures in this tweet. It was before the scuffle. At this time he should have told the agent he was interacting with that he had a gun. You don't hide that fact when interacting with a law enforcement officer. It is for your safety as much as the officer. Why didn't he tell the agent then? You have the right to carry at a protest but you have to be responsible. If he would have told that agent he had a gun, he would still be alive today. That way there isn't a misunderstanding and everyone knows everyone is armed.



Why is it that when I look at this guy's photos in this oft-repeated post, I see a guy cos-playing at CIA mercenary / bad-ass operator as depicted in the movies? Full beard, check. Ballcap, check. Dark sunglasses, check.
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FireAg said:

eric76 said:

FireAg said:

He was in illegal possession of a concealed firearm and then put himself in a situation that put his life at great risk, very much in part due to the illegal firearm, and he paid for his choice with his life...

Cites?

Reports are that he had a license to carry.

Allegedly he did...however, it was not with him at the time...nor was his ID...

MN CHL laws require you have photo ID and your license with you at all times if you are carrying a concealed firearm...

One of the talking points was you didnt need your ID with you, i guess that was debunked?
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You know things are bad when we have fake Christians taking to TexAgs, libs are being ardent champions of the 2A while instantly becoming experts, and also they're claiming that a man, a verified acting active member of the ant-ICE group, wasn't interfering with ICE
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The Unforgiven said:

Please see the pictures in this tweet. It was before the scuffle. At this time he should have told the agent he was interacting with that he had a gun. You don't hide that fact when interacting with a law enforcement officer. It is for your safety as much as the officer. Why didn't he tell the agent then? You have the right to carry at a protest but you have to be responsible. If he would have told that agent he had a gun, he would still be alive today. That way there isn't a misunderstanding and everyone knows everyone is armed.



A4C, look at the pictures in this x post. LOOK AT IT! Who is the aggressor? Who is the aggressor concealing a weapon? And why is law enforcement even having to deal with him, if he's not interfering?

And then stop accusing this board of ignoring your allegation that your simple questions are being ignored.
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samurai_science said:

FireAg said:

eric76 said:

FireAg said:

He was in illegal possession of a concealed firearm and then put himself in a situation that put his life at great risk, very much in part due to the illegal firearm, and he paid for his choice with his life...

Cites?

Reports are that he had a license to carry.

Allegedly he did...however, it was not with him at the time...nor was his ID...

MN CHL laws require you have photo ID and your license with you at all times if you are carrying a concealed firearm...

One of the talking points was you didnt need your ID with you, i guess that was debunked?

The Minnesota law is CRYSTAL CLEAR: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/624.714

Quote:

624.714 CARRYING OF WEAPONS WITHOUT PERMIT; PENALTIES.
Subdivision 1.

[Repealed, 2003 c 28 art 2 s 35; 2005 c 83 s 1]
Subd. 1a.Permit required; penalty.

A person, other than a peace officer, as defined in section 626.84, subdivision 1, who carries, holds, or possesses a pistol in a motor vehicle, snowmobile, or boat, or on or about the person's clothes or the person, or otherwise in possession or control in a public place, as defined in section 624.7181, subdivision 1, paragraph (c), without first having obtained a permit to carry the pistol is guilty of a gross misdemeanor. A person who is convicted a second or subsequent time is guilty of a felony.

Subd. 1b.Display of permit; penalty.

(a) The holder of a permit to carry must have the permit card and a driver's license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document upon lawful demand by a peace officer, as defined in section 626.84, subdivision 1.

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Aggie4Christ09 said:

I've asked prob ten members of this board to show where this man interfered with law enforcement or show any sort of aggression, and they just ignore the request while continuing to spew the narrative.

This is pure delusion. Anything to protect Trump. Deeply concerning.

I believe in the photo/x post shown earlier that he was confrontational with an LEO on the sidewalk. This likely brought him into there sphere of concern, especially when he shows back up to insert himself in a melee.

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License/No license... Does this really have any bearing on what happened in this instance?

NO.

So having a license or not is a RED HERRING and REALLY not worth arguing over as it has ZERO bearing on what happened.

Nobody but him knew he had a license, and even if he didn't it doesn't change what happened.

Maybe that is what y'all want to spend all your time arguing about. But to me, it is just silly.
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austinAG90 said:

Old McDonald said:

flown-the-coop said:

You a misreading the whole development on this.

Walz is thinking he will negotiate like the Ayatollah and score false points on twitter.

Trump meanwhile is gearing to carpet bomb Minneapolis over ICE and Somali scandal.

But if you think this is a cleanup or a taco, you are going to be massively dissappointed.

trump ultimately cares most about how things look on tv, and he knows they don't look good for him here. they've fumbled their way through trying to control the narrative around pretti and have failed. at some point even trump will stop digging his own grave.

So now you're a Trump Specialist and knows what he wants ? Trump could care less about his TV Persona
i agree he could care less! it's all he really cares about deep down. he's not a hard person to read.

his obsession with ratings and crowd sizes. his penchant for making a spectacle of everything. the constant need to keep attention on him. him spending all of his spare time watching tv coverage of his administration and complaining about/praising said coverage. his constant whining about approval polls. at his core he's an entertainer, not a businessman or politician, and cares deeply about how he's seen.

federal brownshirts gunning down citizens is bad tv, and despite the ghouls in his administration begging him to double down, at some point his ego won't take it anymore.
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FireAg said:

samurai_science said:

FireAg said:

eric76 said:

FireAg said:

He was in illegal possession of a concealed firearm and then put himself in a situation that put his life at great risk, very much in part due to the illegal firearm, and he paid for his choice with his life...

Cites?

Reports are that he had a license to carry.

Allegedly he did...however, it was not with him at the time...nor was his ID...

MN CHL laws require you have photo ID and your license with you at all times if you are carrying a concealed firearm...

One of the talking points was you didnt need your ID with you, i guess that was debunked?

The Minnesota law is CRYSTAL CLEAR: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/624.714

Quote:

624.714 CARRYING OF WEAPONS WITHOUT PERMIT; PENALTIES.
Subdivision 1.

[Repealed, 2003 c 28 art 2 s 35; 2005 c 83 s 1]
Subd. 1a.Permit required; penalty.

A person, other than a peace officer, as defined in section 626.84, subdivision 1, who carries, holds, or possesses a pistol in a motor vehicle, snowmobile, or boat, or on or about the person's clothes or the person, or otherwise in possession or control in a public place, as defined in section 624.7181, subdivision 1, paragraph (c), without first having obtained a permit to carry the pistol is guilty of a gross misdemeanor. A person who is convicted a second or subsequent time is guilty of a felony.

Subd. 1b.Display of permit; penalty.

(a) The holder of a permit to carry must have the permit card and a driver's license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document upon lawful demand by a peace officer, as defined in section 626.84, subdivision 1.




Do not forget that he magically scrubbed social media before accidentally forgetting his ID as well, then happened to encounter ICE, as directed by the anti-ICE Signal app group
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4stringAg said:

I don't think Trump would be sending Homan in if he was TACOing on this. I don't think he trusts Walz as far as he can throw him but I think is willing to open the lines of communications to see what can be done to cool things off for the moment. A big issue is the lack of support from the local PD on ICE missions which I'm sure has frustrated and put many agents in danger, to get that, Trump may have to give the MN BCA a peek into the investigation of the Good and Pretti shootings.




One other area where the administration has underperformed is messaging. They are letting the ICEWatch folks dictate message on why ICE is there to begin with. The message they send is that ICE is there to round up any person with brown skin. What ICE needs to do is to get ahead of that narrative and say, "Agents are here to arrest certain individuals on the charges of rape, murder, arson, rape, and stampeding cattle through the Vatican.". Put the onus back on these people to prove they aren't protecting criminals.
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will25u said:

License/No license... Does this really have any bearing on what happened in this instance?

NO.

So having a license or not is a RED HERRING and REALLY not worth arguing over as it has ZERO bearing on what happened.

Nobody but him knew he had a license, and even if he didn't it doesn't change what happened.

Maybe that is what y'all want to spend all your time arguing about. But to me, it is just silly.


The point, as I see it, is that there is NOTHING that he did legally or wisely as he met his own demise.
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TAMUallen said:

will25u said:

License/No license... Does this really have any bearing on what happened in this instance?

NO.

So having a license or not is a RED HERRING and REALLY not worth arguing over as it has ZERO bearing on what happened.

Nobody but him knew he had a license, and even if he didn't it doesn't change what happened.

Maybe that is what y'all want to spend all your time arguing about. But to me, it is just silly.


The point, as I see it, is that there is NOTHING that he did legally or wisely as he met his own demise.

I agree he probably doesn't get shot if he just stops resisting and 6 other agents aren't required to try and detain him. Leading to his gun being found during the resistance and the accidental discharge that did him in.

The officers trying to detain him heard "GUN!" and then a shot... They didn't know if they were being shot at or what.

He DIDN'T have to get shot... if he would have not made 3 or 4 bad decisions in short succession.

ETA: The only thing I think that ended up getting him shot is the accidental discharge. If that hadn't happened I doubt he gets shot even with carrying the gun.
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Burdizzo said:

4stringAg said:

I don't think Trump would be sending Homan in if he was TACOing on this. I don't think he trusts Walz as far as he can throw him but I think is willing to open the lines of communications to see what can be done to cool things off for the moment. A big issue is the lack of support from the local PD on ICE missions which I'm sure has frustrated and put many agents in danger, to get that, Trump may have to give the MN BCA a peek into the investigation of the Good and Pretti shootings.




One other area where the administration has underperformed is messaging. They are letting the ICEWatch folks dictate message on why ICE is there to begin with. The message they send is that ICE is there to round up any person with brown skin. What ICE needs to do is to get ahead of that narrative and say, "Agents are here to arrest certain individuals on the charges of rape, murder, arson, rape, and stampeding cattle through the Vatican.". Put the onus back on these people to prove they aren't protecting criminals.

Yes, complete own goals for messaging through this. Hopefully Homan will clear it up.

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Im just waiting for this to "REALLY" heat up when Holman gets there and the influencers start "live streaming" like they did in Portland...

there were some great video shots when the motorcycle guys and "Hells Angels" showed up to go after these Soy Boys and Green / Purple haired skinny drug using agitators.... that made for some good late night "live action" for a while. In almost all situation's, the Soy Boys were knocked out within minutes of a fight erupting
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Old McDonald said:

austinAG90 said:

Old McDonald said:

flown-the-coop said:

You a misreading the whole development on this.

Walz is thinking he will negotiate like the Ayatollah and score false points on twitter.

Trump meanwhile is gearing to carpet bomb Minneapolis over ICE and Somali scandal.

But if you think this is a cleanup or a taco, you are going to be massively dissappointed.

trump ultimately cares most about how things look on tv, and he knows they don't look good for him here. they've fumbled their way through trying to control the narrative around pretti and have failed. at some point even trump will stop digging his own grave.

So now you're a Trump Specialist and knows what he wants ? Trump could care less about his TV Persona

i agree he could care less! it's all he really cares about deep down. he's not a hard person to read.

his obsession with ratings and crowd sizes. his penchant for making a spectacle of everything. the constant need to keep attention on him. him spending all of his spare time watching tv coverage of his administration and complaining about/praising said coverage. his constant whining about approval polls. at his core he's an entertainer, not a businessman or politician, and cares deeply about how he's seen.

federal brownshirts gunning down citizens is bad tv, and despite the ghouls in his administration begging him to double down, at some point his ego won't take it anymore.

There you go again. What is it with you and your people's fascination with Nazis? I mean, I doubt you'd recognize a real Nazi if he was standing 6 inches from your own face. But like the term 'racism', you people keep throwing that word out there and eventually Nazi will mean absolutely nothing.
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Senator Gallego says Noem should be impeached for calling Pretti a domestic terrorist and lying about him brandishing a weapon.

He also says the tension in Minneapolis resulted from Noem trying to round up the corrupt Somalianders, but found out they were mostly US citizens so inviting in ICE and the administration has lead to this chaos.

Says ICE only belongs on the border and are not trained to operate away from the border.

Dems are lying evil *******s. Who cares about the nuance of the Trump admin. It does not matter, they will spin and lie, spin and lie.
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

Old McDonald said:



federal brownshirts gunning down citizens is bad tv, and despite the ghouls in his administration begging him to double down, at some point his ego won't take it anymore.

There you go again. What is it with you and your people's fascination with Nazis? I mean, I doubt you'd recognize a real Nazi if he was standing 6 inches from your own face. But like the term 'racism', you people keep throwing that word out there and eventually Nazi will mean absolutely nothing.

What is it you think they play at ANTIFA summer camp? Minimum 6 hours of Nazi propaganda research a day. Then they masterbate to Man in the High Castle reruns.

Its what makes them experts.
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Quote:

Senator Gallego says Noem should be impeached for calling Pretti a domestic terrorist and lying about him brandishing a weapon.

pretty sure he's part of ANTIFA which makes him a domestic terrorist
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Ellis Wyatt said:

He showed up with a gun. He interfered with a law enforcement operation. He got killed. End of story.

I can think of several other choices he could have made to prevent this.


114th request. Where does he interfere?
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fullback44 said:

Im just waiting for this to "REALLY" heat up when Holman gets there and the influencers start "live streaming" like they did in Portland...

there were some great video shots when the motorcycle guys and "Hells Angels" showed up to go after these Soy Boys and Green / Purple haired skinny drug using agitators.... that made for some good late night "live action" for a while. In almost all situation's, the Soy Boys were knocked out within minutes of a fight erupting


I would gladly be wrong but I think that those in charge of these anti federal, anti ICE, anti law and order groups are possibly being run in a manner superior to what we typically assume.

Theyre lacking still in elements but do seem aware of goals which is mainly pushing their narratives, then shying away from additional escalation. Of course there still are some loosely associated moron foot soldiers on the ground but those paying the bills want continued low level resistance that stays just enough on the radar to distract from the rampant fraud
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eric76 said:

FireAg said:

He was in illegal possession of a concealed firearm and then put himself in a situation that put his life at great risk, very much in part due to the illegal firearm, and he paid for his choice with his life...

Cites?

Reports are that he had a license to carry.

If you have a license to carry, and you are carrying without your ID, you are in illegal possession of a concealed firearm.

In Texas, you also have to clearly identify to the cops that you are carrying at the beginning of any interaction with police. Likely something similar in MN.
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