flown-the-coop said:
Talking point that has been repeated by every guest on MSNOW over the past hour...
The ICE officers are not properly trained. Heard it yesterday too from Klobuchar as she said new agents get 47 days of training and that is because Trump wanted that number.
Gallego saying ICE is only trained to watch the boarder and inspect shipping containers.
Now returning to normally schedule programming. **** me the libs are delusional.
flown-the-coop said:
The good news is that you have never been wrong in predicting the demise of a Trump cabinet member. That is, since the last time you were wrong.
Noem is going Noemwhere. Swing and a miss but keep trying.
K2-HMFIC said:flown-the-coop said:
The good news is that you have never been wrong in predicting the demise of a Trump cabinet member. That is, since the last time you were wrong.
Noem is going Noemwhere. Swing and a miss but keep trying.
Both will be gone before 1 November…
Aggie4Christ09 said:Ellis Wyatt said:
He showed up with a gun. He interfered with a law enforcement operation. He got killed. End of story.
I can think of several other choices he could have made to prevent this.
114th request. Where does he interfere?
aggiehawg said:
I understand people who don't care about the actual law tend to overlook my posts. So sometimes I will engage to explain it directly to them. If they still ignore me, so be it.
They are choosing to be ignorant. Nothing I can do about that.
And FTR: I am not judging this shoot quite yet as the video is ambiguous nor do we know what Pretti had been doing before this encounter. My tendency is to lean towards an awful yet still lawful shoot.
The things I and many simultaneously believe to be true:
— Allie Beth Stuckey (@conservmillen) January 26, 2026
- I wish Renee Good and Alex Pretti were still alive. They were people made in God’s image whose lives had value, and their deaths are tragic
- I still am unclear about the true story surrounding Pretti’s killing
- I am…
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The things I and many simultaneously believe to be true:
- I wish Renee Good and Alex Pretti were still alive. They were people made in God's image whose lives had value, and their deaths are tragic
- I still am unclear about the true story surrounding Pretti's killing
- I am not sure DHS messaging on Pretti's death has been completely accurate or helpful
- The chaos that led to their deaths is in large part due to local law enforcement refusing keep the public from impeding ICE and local politicians stoking the flames by calling ICE "Gestapo"
- ICE and border patrol agents, by and large, do a good, compassionate job that is very difficult. Like any group - teachers, pastors, social workers, etc - there will be those who are corrupt or bad at their jobs, and it's ok to acknowledge that if apparent
- ICE's job is necessary and good. Removing illegal aliens, including those who have committed heinous crimes against American children, should be able to be done without conflict. This is normal business that has been conducted in similar ways under both R and D administrations. The chaos is not caused by Trump. It is caused by those who hate Trump
- America, like every country, has the right and responsibility to defend its borders, protect citizenship, and enforce immigration law. This is necessary for national sovereignty. This is not "kidnapping," and it's not just violent criminals who need to be deported.
- Lots of overlap between those decrying ICE and those who: never said a word about immigration enforcement under Biden & Obama, have never expressed concern about the lives lost because of illegal immigration, support abortion, or accused Charlie Kirk of racism in the days following his murder. I am 100% uninterested in what these people have to say about morality or justice.
Aggie4Christ09 said:The Unforgiven said:
Warning the law enforcement's subject that law enforcement is around is interfering with law enforcement activity. If the subject gets away because of your action, then you interfered.
The whole purpose of following agents is to prevent agents from getting their subjects.
Wow. We are really going here now.Going to jail for filming ICE raiding your neighbor's home is what FREEDOM, American Eagles, and MAGA is all about.
— Jay in Kyiv (@JayinKyiv) January 26, 2026
And we thought Russians were slaves.
pic.twitter.com/XCsjb16RyW
So should this guy have been arrested like ICE did? Standing on his patio filming? This is interference also?
The video shows a real 2019 incident in Columbus, Ohio, where local SWAT arrested bystander Nicholas Petitt for interfering while filming a raid (not ICE-related). Recent shares mislabel it as a current ICE event. Sources: 10TV, The Real News Network.
— Grok (@grok) January 26, 2026
aggiehawg said:
I understand people who don't care about the actual law tend to overlook my posts. So sometimes I will engage to explain it directly to them. If they still ignore me, so be it.
They are choosing to be ignorant. Nothing I can do about that.
And FTR: I am not judging this shoot quite yet as the video is ambiguous nor do we know what Pretti had been doing before this encounter. My tendency is to lean towards an awful yet still lawful shoot.
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Id be shocked if they find any problem with the agents UNLESS there is something we have not seen.
Really stinks that he died but the situation is one he knowingly put himself with really bad choice after really bad choice after really bad choice.
Cinco Ranch Aggie said:Aggie4Christ09 said:Ellis Wyatt said:
He showed up with a gun. He interfered with a law enforcement operation. He got killed. End of story.
I can think of several other choices he could have made to prevent this.
114th request. Where does he interfere?
Inserting himself into the action is his interference.
K2-HMFIC said:This is a a critical step in the replacement of a quarterback. The quarterback who is clearly headed to the bench expresses his respect for the backup and says he “welcomes the competition” because it will “make the team better” https://t.co/IudLEFfp7o
— Three Year Letterman (@3YearLetterman) January 26, 2026
(Cue The Doors "This is the end")
B-1 83 said:Cinco Ranch Aggie said:Aggie4Christ09 said:Ellis Wyatt said:
He showed up with a gun. He interfered with a law enforcement operation. He got killed. End of story.
I can think of several other choices he could have made to prevent this.
114th request. Where does he interfere?
Inserting himself into the action is his interference.
That's the 114th answer, and someone still isn't listening.
BREAKING: Top Border Patrol official Gregory Bovino and some of his agents are expected to leave Minneapolis and return to their respective sectors, sources tell me, @KristenhCNN + @kaitlancollins.
— Priscilla Alvarez (@priscialva) January 26, 2026
richardag said:Infection_Ag11 said:DarkBrandon01 said:Infection_Ag11 said:DarkBrandon01 said:The Unforgiven said:
what would you tell Laken Riley?
I'D TELL HER I THINK ITS SAD THAT THE ONLY REASON PEOPLE CARE ABOUT HER MURDER IS BECAUSE OF THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERPETRATOR.
This is always the most ridiculous sort of point when it's made, because it assumes there is a world where complete strangers will care about your death for purely neutral or altruistic reasons.
Strangers either don't care about your death, or they do care about when it furthers an agenda of theirs. There is no alternative. So it's a completely worthless point to make.
It's a nothing answer to a nothing question. I'm done with the moral finger wagging. This country has been guilt tripped and fear mongered into allowing an authoritarian takeover. Illegals are mostly well behaved, productive, and have deep ties in their communities. They have been ruthlessly demonized for zero reason.
I think you are so free and so privileged relative to the totality of human present and historical experience that you have no idea what an "authoritarian takeover" really means or looks like.
And I don't have anything against illegal immigrants who do well here and behave. I would have done the same thing in their position because their native countries are unmitigated hellscapes relative to the US. But the fact remains they ARE illegally here and that IS the only relevant fact with respect to this discussion. They are "demonized" (which is just a histrionic way of you saying people dont like them being here) BECAUSE of that fact.
Logically impossible.
There are ~6 billion people on the planet. My uneducated guess would be over half would prefer to live here. So by your reasoning we would be forced to to allow 3 billion illegal aliens, that are law abiding into our nation.
The Unforgiven said:
The whole point of following agents by these idiots is to help warn illegal aliens. By warning illegal aliens of law enforcement is in the area allows them to get away. If you do something that lets the subject get away, That is interfering with law enforcement. You do anything to help a subject get away then you have committed a crime.
Pinochet said:Aggie4Christ09 said:The Unforgiven said:
Warning the law enforcement's subject that law enforcement is around is interfering with law enforcement activity. If the subject gets away because of your action, then you interfered.
The whole purpose of following agents is to prevent agents from getting their subjects.
Wow. We are really going here now.Going to jail for filming ICE raiding your neighbor's home is what FREEDOM, American Eagles, and MAGA is all about.
— Jay in Kyiv (@JayinKyiv) January 26, 2026
And we thought Russians were slaves.
pic.twitter.com/XCsjb16RyW
So should this guy have been arrested like ICE did? Standing on his patio filming? This is interference also?
You really thought posting something from Ohio in 2019 and pretending it was Minnesota was a good idea?The video shows a real 2019 incident in Columbus, Ohio, where local SWAT arrested bystander Nicholas Petitt for interfering while filming a raid (not ICE-related). Recent shares mislabel it as a current ICE event. Sources: 10TV, The Real News Network.
— Grok (@grok) January 26, 2026
Aggie4Christ09 said:
I'm still waiting for anyone to back to their claims on what this ICU nurse was doing to deserve this. Any evidence whatsoever of interference, hostile intent.
ANYTHING
flown-the-coop said:
Senator Gallego says Noem should be impeached for calling Pretti a domestic terrorist and lying about him brandishing a weapon.
He also says the tension in Minneapolis resulted from Noem trying to round up the corrupt Somalianders, but found out they were mostly US citizens so inviting in ICE and the administration has lead to this chaos.
Says ICE only belongs on the border and are not trained to operate away from the border.
Dems are lying evil *******s. Who cares about the nuance of the Trump admin. It does not matter, they will spin and lie, spin and lie.
BusterAg said:Aggie4Christ09 said:
I'm still waiting for anyone to back to their claims on what this ICU nurse was doing to deserve this. Any evidence whatsoever of interference, hostile intent.
ANYTHING
Does it matter that she was a nurse?
FireAg said:samurai_science said:FireAg said:eric76 said:FireAg said:
He was in illegal possession of a concealed firearm and then put himself in a situation that put his life at great risk, very much in part due to the illegal firearm, and he paid for his choice with his life...
Cites?
Reports are that he had a license to carry.
Allegedly he did...however, it was not with him at the time...nor was his ID...
MN CHL laws require you have photo ID and your license with you at all times if you are carrying a concealed firearm...
One of the talking points was you didnt need your ID with you, i guess that was debunked?
The Minnesota law is CRYSTAL CLEAR: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/624.714Quote:
624.714 CARRYING OF WEAPONS WITHOUT PERMIT; PENALTIES.
Subdivision 1.
[Repealed, 2003 c 28 art 2 s 35; 2005 c 83 s 1]
Subd. 1a.Permit required; penalty.
A person, other than a peace officer, as defined in section 626.84, subdivision 1, who carries, holds, or possesses a pistol in a motor vehicle, snowmobile, or boat, or on or about the person's clothes or the person, or otherwise in possession or control in a public place, as defined in section 624.7181, subdivision 1, paragraph (c), without first having obtained a permit to carry the pistol is guilty of a gross misdemeanor. A person who is convicted a second or subsequent time is guilty of a felony.
Subd. 1b.Display of permit; penalty.
(a) The holder of a permit to carry must have the permit card and a driver's license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document upon lawful demand by a peace officer, as defined in section 626.84, subdivision 1.
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Subd. 1b.Display of permit; penalty.
(a) The holder of a permit to carry must have the permit card and a driver's license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document upon lawful demand by a peace officer, as defined in section 626.84, subdivision 1. A violation of this paragraph is a petty misdemeanor. The fine for a first offense must not exceed $25. Notwithstanding section 609.531, a firearm carried in violation of this paragraph is not subject to forfeiture.
(b) A citation issued for violating paragraph (a) must be dismissed if the person demonstrates, in court or in the office of the arresting officer, that the person was authorized to carry the pistol at the time of the alleged violation.
(c) Upon the request of a peace officer, a permit holder must write a sample signature in the officer's presence to aid in verifying the person's identity.
(d) Upon the request of a peace officer, a permit holder shall disclose to the officer whether or not the permit holder is currently carrying a firearm.
I played LIVE dispatch audio from the secret North Minneapolis Rapid Response Signal group chat live on Benny Johnson’s show.
— Cam Higby 🇺🇸 (@camhigby) January 26, 2026
Your Signal is my Signal. https://t.co/dUMiD1KOLt
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According to the Border Patrol, the agent involved in Saturday's shooting is an eight-year veteran and a firearms training instructor. Border Patrol firearms training instructors are responsible for training agents not only to shoot accurately, but also to know when to shoot. That level of experience and knowledge of existing law and policy strongly suggests that the agent understood the threat posed by Pretti and the policy provisions governing the reasonableness of his response.
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There are some angles of a widely circulating video that show an agent, perhaps carrying the firearm carried by Pretti, moving away from the group of agents engaged in the continuing struggle seconds before shots rang out. Other accounts on social media show enhanced video stills that show the slide in the rear position as the unidentified agent carries what could be Pretti's concealed weapon seconds before as well. The posts imply the weapon may have been accidentally fired, potentially leading other agents to believe Pretti may have fired the weapon.
If any of these accounts are proven correct, they may impact the overall outcome of a criminal investigation, but the agent who fired his weapon, believing Pretti possessed a weapon he intended to use against the agents, is still measured against what the agent reasonably believed to be true at the split second he fired his weapon at Pretti. The CBP UOF policy supports this standard and reads, "Reasonableness will be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer/agent on the scene rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight."
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The policy describes the tense situations that face officers and agents, saying, "the calculus of reasonableness embodies an allowance for the fact that law enforcement officers/agents are often forced to make split-second decisions in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving about the amount of force that is necessary in a particular situation."
Aggie4Christ09 said:
I've asked prob ten members of this board to show where this man interfered with law enforcement or show any sort of aggression, and they just ignore the request while continuing to spew the narrative.
This is pure delusion. Anything to protect Trump. Deeply concerning.
ttu_85 said:
…,,m
…. Many of which are clustered in universities. …,,,
"Educated" idiots that place long discredited idealism over human nature, history, and economics. …,m,
huskerag2011 said:FireAg said:samurai_science said:FireAg said:eric76 said:FireAg said:
He was in illegal possession of a concealed firearm and then put himself in a situation that put his life at great risk, very much in part due to the illegal firearm, and he paid for his choice with his life...
Cites?
Reports are that he had a license to carry.
Allegedly he did...however, it was not with him at the time...nor was his ID...
MN CHL laws require you have photo ID and your license with you at all times if you are carrying a concealed firearm...
One of the talking points was you didnt need your ID with you, i guess that was debunked?
The Minnesota law is CRYSTAL CLEAR: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/624.714Quote:
624.714 CARRYING OF WEAPONS WITHOUT PERMIT; PENALTIES.
Subdivision 1.
[Repealed, 2003 c 28 art 2 s 35; 2005 c 83 s 1]
Subd. 1a.Permit required; penalty.
A person, other than a peace officer, as defined in section 626.84, subdivision 1, who carries, holds, or possesses a pistol in a motor vehicle, snowmobile, or boat, or on or about the person's clothes or the person, or otherwise in possession or control in a public place, as defined in section 624.7181, subdivision 1, paragraph (c), without first having obtained a permit to carry the pistol is guilty of a gross misdemeanor. A person who is convicted a second or subsequent time is guilty of a felony.
Subd. 1b.Display of permit; penalty.
(a) The holder of a permit to carry must have the permit card and a driver's license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document upon lawful demand by a peace officer, as defined in section 626.84, subdivision 1.
I find it interesting that you cut off your quote right before the part that describes the penalty for carrying a concealed firearm without a permit, so here, I'll give you the whole section to make sure we're all clear on what the Minnesota law says about carrying without the permit.Quote:
Subd. 1b.Display of permit; penalty.
(a) The holder of a permit to carry must have the permit card and a driver's license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document upon lawful demand by a peace officer, as defined in section 626.84, subdivision 1. A violation of this paragraph is a petty misdemeanor. The fine for a first offense must not exceed $25. Notwithstanding section 609.531, a firearm carried in violation of this paragraph is not subject to forfeiture.
(b) A citation issued for violating paragraph (a) must be dismissed if the person demonstrates, in court or in the office of the arresting officer, that the person was authorized to carry the pistol at the time of the alleged violation.
(c) Upon the request of a peace officer, a permit holder must write a sample signature in the officer's presence to aid in verifying the person's identity.
(d) Upon the request of a peace officer, a permit holder shall disclose to the officer whether or not the permit holder is currently carrying a firearm.
Wait a minute, so you're saying it's a petty misdemeanor with a maximum fine of $25, with mandatory dismissal of citation upon showing that they had a permit at the time of the citation?
In a world where facts mattered, this information would lead to some reassessments...
