***Iran [Military Action Thread]***[See Staff Note in OP]

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Gaeilge
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That's cute that they still think this is a negotiation

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They get everything that they want/need in the moment and then postpone the one true sticking point & pretty much the reason for the last two bombing campaigns? Sounds legit....

To your point - just how stupid do they think we are?
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Gaeilge said:

That's cute that they still think this is a negotiation





Um hell no. How many times have they said they'd open the strait?

That was the deal in the first cease fire and they never did it

I hope we're not stupid and consider it
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I don't see us agreeing to Russia taking the nuclear material. Iran is offering that because they think they'll get it back.
Gaeilge
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PGAG said:

I don't see us agreeing to Russia taking the nuclear material. Iran is offering that because they think they'll get it back.

Pakistan or India would likely be the only two nuclear power countries, besides Russia, that could be agreed upon as the recipient is my opinion.
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Gaeilge said:

PGAG said:

I don't see us agreeing to Russia taking the nuclear material. Iran is offering that because they think they'll get it back.

Pakistan or India would likely be the only two nuclear power countries, besides Russia, that could be agreed upon as the recipient is my opinion.

Trump supposedly shot that down over a month ago. Is there fresh reporting of such an offer somewhere?

It goes without saying that Putin is not...trustworthy as a custodian.
Gaeilge
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No new reports that I've seen. That was a guess on my part. Didn't know that one was shot down. Just assumed they were the 'easiest' nuclear powers to work into an agreement on it, since the US getting it will just drag this out longer, and the IAEA is worthless.
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Iran reportedly made a "new" offer last night with those parameters. As you mentioned, it's a lot like previous negotiations
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ErnestEndeavor said:



Lol. Quit being so mean.

I say pound them into sand for a few weeks and then see if they are more open to listening to our terms and the way it is going to be.
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Regarding the nuclear dust, at some point we will establish the ability to conduct the operation ourselves. I could see that happening sooner rather than later.

Rather than let Iran continue to even discuss nuke particles, enrichment, etc - we take out what little remains of their program, take our the research reactors and similar reactors, and we retrieve the dust ourselves.

I would further suspect this to happen then an announcement made after it is done. It will not be discussed nor negotiated. It will just be.
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Wouldn't that be a a logistical nightmare? Wouldn't those forces face extreme challenges from IRGC forces? I'm just not well versed on how an operation like that would be possible.
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flown-the-coop said:

Regarding the nuclear dust, at some point we will establish the ability to conduct the operation ourselves. I could see that happening sooner rather than later.

Rather than let Iran continue to even discuss nuke particles, enrichment, etc - we take out what little remains of their program, take our the research reactors and similar reactors, and we retrieve the dust ourselves.

I would further suspect this to happen then an announcement made after it is done. It will not be discussed nor negotiated. It will just be.

I wouldn't be surprised if they let the Iranians dig until they're very close to or have just opened the site and then conduct the operation after the initial excavation part has been or is nearly complete. That utilizes their resources to cut down on the most critical factor in play. Time. I would conduct that in conjuction with area denial strikes. Hitting all regional military centers. Power to the area and to surrounding areas and critical infastrucutre like fuel distribution. Tehran too probably.

Cut em off, blind them, make it impossible to move and be on site for the minimum about of time necessary.
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PGAG said:

Wouldn't that be a a logistical nightmare? Wouldn't those forces face extreme challenges from IRGC forces? I'm just not well versed on how an operation like that would be possible.


I think the bolded part is what would need to be neutralized, mitigated.

Our military and similar assets are much more capable than is generally publicly acknowledged. Easy? No. But not nearly as impossible as people want to make it.
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Notice Putin didn't say which Iranians were heroic. I'm sure he meant the IRGC, but.....
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Now you are thinking!

I confess to having no non-public knowledge on how this would occur, but I am knowledgeable enough to know we possess strategy, plans and capabilities to be competent in battle, particularly when the POTUS is less concerned with his political ambitions and more concerned with his grandchildren and great grandchildren not being vaporized by an Ayatollah(s) / regime that makes David Koresh and the Branch Davidians seem like a well-balanced group of folks.
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RAN OFFERS DEAL: END WAR, LIFT BLOCKADE, DELAY NUCLEAR TALKS

Iran has proposed a deal to mediators to stop attacks in the Strait of Hormuz in exchange for ending the war and lifting the U.S. blockade on Iranian ports.

The offer, delivered by Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi, aims to restart stalled talks but pushes nuclear negotiations to a later stage. Washington has not responded.

The plan outlines a phased approach: end the conflict first, then address control of the Strait, and only afterward discuss Iran's nuclear program.

Just start the bombing up already. This is going nowhere. Kill off Vahidi and Qaani, and let's see if the next person is more interested in speaking.
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Gaeilge said:


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RAN OFFERS DEAL: END WAR, LIFT BLOCKADE, DELAY NUCLEAR TALKS

Iran has proposed a deal to mediators to stop attacks in the Strait of Hormuz in exchange for ending the war and lifting the U.S. blockade on Iranian ports.

The offer, delivered by Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi, aims to restart stalled talks but pushes nuclear negotiations to a later stage. Washington has not responded.

The plan outlines a phased approach: end the conflict first, then address control of the Strait, and only afterward discuss Iran's nuclear program.

Just start the bombing up already. This is going nowhere. Kill off Vahidi and Qaani, and let's see if the next person is more interested in speaking.

This is what Reagan called "rug merchant type of stuff." It's a trap that offers nothing of substance for nothing of cost to Iran. Keep up the economic pressure. I understand and sort of agree with the instinct to bomb. However continuing the economic pressure is very likely to make the Iranians lash out. You can pull the trigger on them at any time. Let them lash out or when you need to close down a missile city or other target they're getting up. We know we're doing a lot of drone and other overflights right now. Probably real time targeting. I'm good with patience right now. Less exposure on our side and we keep damaging them.

The next piece is to use cyber to hit their banking sectors. Taking out even more of their ability to opperate economically is going to really squeeze them further.
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aezmvp said:

Gaeilge said:


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RAN OFFERS DEAL: END WAR, LIFT BLOCKADE, DELAY NUCLEAR TALKS

Iran has proposed a deal to mediators to stop attacks in the Strait of Hormuz in exchange for ending the war and lifting the U.S. blockade on Iranian ports.

The offer, delivered by Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi, aims to restart stalled talks but pushes nuclear negotiations to a later stage. Washington has not responded.

The plan outlines a phased approach: end the conflict first, then address control of the Strait, and only afterward discuss Iran's nuclear program.

Just start the bombing up already. This is going nowhere. Kill off Vahidi and Qaani, and let's see if the next person is more interested in speaking.

This is what Reagan called "rug merchant type of stuff." It's a trap that offers nothing of substance for nothing of cost to Iran. Keep up the economic pressure. I understand and sort of agree with the instinct to bomb. However continuing the economic pressure is very likely to make the Iranians lash out. You can pull the trigger on them at any time. Let them lash out or when you need to close down a missile city or other target they're getting up. We know we're doing a lot of drone and other overflights right now. Probably real time targeting. I'm good with patience right now. Less exposure on our side and we keep damaging them.

The next piece is to use cyber to hit their banking sectors. Taking out even more of their ability to opperate economically is going to really squeeze them further.

The idea that time is on our side during this period seems to be sinking into the public discourse whereas it wasn't a few days ago. Like you, patience is the call of the day for now, but I think there is a limit to the status quo where strategic patience starts to look like something else, like a lack of resolve that would not serve our interest. Trump's head fakes are only going to be effective for so long. A kinetic reminder has to be in the 10-14 day forecast IMO.
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We should be bombing manned sites now with water balloons of red paint just so they know we are watching.
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Gaeilge said:


Quote:

RAN OFFERS DEAL: END WAR, LIFT BLOCKADE, DELAY NUCLEAR TALKS

Iran has proposed a deal to mediators to stop attacks in the Strait of Hormuz in exchange for ending the war and lifting the U.S. blockade on Iranian ports.

The offer, delivered by Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi, aims to restart stalled talks but pushes nuclear negotiations to a later stage. Washington has not responded.

The plan outlines a phased approach: end the conflict first, then address control of the Strait, and only afterward discuss Iran's nuclear program.

Just start the bombing up already. This is going nowhere. Kill off Vahidi and Qaani, and let's see if the next person is more interested in speaking.

That "deal" does nothing other than take us back to the status quo that existed before we started dropping bombs. If that status quo was so unacceptable that we went to war over it, why would we accept going back to it now with no additional concessions from Iran?

Pretty clear at this point that Iran 1) Thinks they are hurting us more than they really are by closing the Strait; and 2) Is being badly hurt by the blockade and want desperately to convince us to let some ships through so their economy doesn't collapse and they don't have to start shutting in wells.
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No chance... the nuclear discussions are paramount to the deal.

They think they have negotiating power, they don't.
aezmvp
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I agree, and the enemy gets a vote. They are doing things we don't want and/or are doing things that compress our time lines. They also know that. If I was a red team commander I'd be setting up lots of manpad traps and other things in the area. Not necessarily out in the open but coopting civilian infrastructure: houses, schools, hospitals, etc for those types of attacks. Staging troops in local areas in drips and drabs to be able to respond as quickly as possible to potential incursion sites by special forces. Repositioning assets and creating decoys and dummies as quickly as possible in other areas. That requires time, communication, planning, foresight and resources. Those may not be available but it's what I'd be doing.
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Nonstarter. There cannot be an Iranian control of the Strait that can unilaterally close it on a whim.

And yes...Yes we can.
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Gaeilge said:



Nonstarter. There cannot be an Iranian control of the Strait that can unilaterally close it on a whim.


Time to let the death cult earn its name.
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This is an interesting take if true.
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JB!98 said:



This is an interesting take if true.

Would be interesting for us and/or the IAEA to get into the underground facilities and find a bunch of chinese equipment and dead chinese scientists that were killed in the bombings.
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Blow up the railroads and bridges, highways out of Iran, fuel supply to power plants. Nothing comes in or goes out of Iran. Suck on that!
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MagnumLoad
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They get no vote. Here is the deal. Take it or die. Since they apparently like dying, so be it.
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Chinese equipment is almost certainly involved. Now Chinese nationals actually on the ground and helping, that would be something.
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Deerdude said:

We should be bombing manned sites now with water balloons of red paint just so they know we are watching.

This post made me curious. No offensive military missions over Iran, but are the US/Israel overtly flying drones over Iran right now? Does the ceasefire mean we won't openly fly anything over you?
PGAG
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We'll talk about that nuclear stuff later is hilarious!
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Good post. Hope he's right.
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Same.
Have this timeline and this "gasoline shortage clock" he mentions been posted here?
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Can anyone explain to me what a ghost fleet is?
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