***Iran [Military Action Thread]***[See Staff Note in OP]

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"Shadow fleet," or "ghost fleet," refers to a network of aging oil tankers and front companies that sanctioned countries use to move crude to evade U.S. sanctions. These vessels frequently operate with transponders turned off, falsified locations, or rapid name and flag changes, allowing oil to reach buyers.

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akaggie05 said:

Chinese equipment is almost certainly involved. Now Chinese nationals actually on the ground and helping, that would be something.


Wouldn't surprise me. They were in VZ so logic says they are/were in Iran as well. They were on record telling us they will go wherever they want and infest whoever they want (in reference to the Western Hemisphere) a day or two before we took out Maduro. And, if I recall, they actually had delegation arrive on the day that we took him out, which is hilarious.
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Let them have the Strait. Dump that problem on Europe and ME regional nations.
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AlaskanAg99 said:

Let them have the Strait. Dump that problem on Europe and ME regional nations.

Just because the US does not get much of anything directly from the Strait, many materials that go into completed products from Asia that the US does get come through the Strait. It isn't just a "not our problem." It is still very much a problem.
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China wants to keep Iran as is. They love buying sanctioned oil at a massive discount.
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PGAG said:

China wants to keep Iran as is. They love buying sanctioned oil at a massive discount.


And funding a country to be a thorn in our side.
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Clear the mines and tell Iran we are going to blow any speed boat we see out of the water.

Then have tankers start going through.

IF they bomb, shoot or harass them release hell

Kind of hoping they break the cease fire and shoot some missiles. So we can go in and torch them. take out the remaining 25% of military targets, bomb the coast line in the gulf, then start with bridges then crucial electric grids for their military. Let Israel take out the leaders, especially the head of IRGC.

after that, try and Get to another cease fire while holding the blockade.

Plan to take some islands in the gulf to help control the strait and plan an extraction of the uranium because I do not think they will make a deal even after bombing them more and keeping the blockade
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I have not seen many updates on how mine clearing is going. I thought that I read that we were using drones to do this. Have we been successful or are we facing difficulties?
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Have any actual mines even been found?
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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Hannity just said on radio if he was to predict, he'd say we will go back to bombing soon
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nortex97 said:


Good post. Hope he's right.
Question about this. By junk storage (tankers), how big of a chance is it that they start leaking within the water system up there?
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Not implausible, but the leak would probably not be too large, and the Persian Gulf (arabian, whatever) is largely devoid of marine life in any case.

Rubio sat down for an interview on FNC to air tonight (Brett Baier but another interviewer for whatever reason). Should hear more shortly.
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The bombing should continue until morale improves.
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Gaeilge said:



The bombing should continue until morale improves.


Correct. Their attitude still needs adjusting!
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Gaeilge said:



The bombing should continue until morale improves.

The bombing needs to start again, so that the bombing can continue until morale improves! Let's kick this off again and let the Israelis kill the leadership till their hearts content.
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Gaeilge said:



The bombing should continue until morale improves.


That may happen but we better have an answer for their attacks on gulf states oil infrastructure. We didn't have a good answer before.
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Will we give them a timeline or just start operations?
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PGAG said:

Will we give them a timeline or just start operations?


The ceasefire was 'indefinite'. So my guess is just whenever we're tired of listening to them. Time to just send them to voicemail until they have their exes calling us asking us to answer.
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Gaeilge said:

PGAG said:

Will we give them a timeline or just start operations?


The ceasefire was 'indefinite'. So my guess is just whenever we're tired of listening to them. Time to just send them to voicemail until they have their exes calling us asking us to answer.


Thought Trump said it was this past Sunday deadline?

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AlaskanAg99 said:

Let them have the Strait. Dump that problem on Europe and ME regional nations.

no way. it's a global necessity to have free and open passage there
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TIL that the dysfunctional nation-state of Iran has to import gasoline, despite exporting massive quantities of oil.

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The U.S. Treasury Secretary says that the naval blockade has placed Iran's oil industries at risk of shutdown and will soon cause a gasoline shortage in the country. He continued by writing: "Soon the pumps will stop working, and then we will have a gasoline shortage in Iran."

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GAC06 said:

That may happen but we better have an answer for their attacks on gulf states oil infrastructure. We didn't have a good answer before.

Our air defense is limited and a number of Iran's remaining missiles and drones will certainly get through. The Gulf state's energy and desalination facilities will be targeted. How much damage is unknowable but the kicker is this ... if a renewed bombing campain doesn't work, then what?

Alternatively, we can sit tight for 4-6 more weeks and see how our blockade plays out. They're facing a looming oil shut down, gasoline shortage, and a complete shutdown of almost all imports (food, spare parts, etc.) Meanwhile, we still have the kinetic option as backup.
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benchmark said:

GAC06 said:

That may happen but we better have an answer for their attacks on gulf states oil infrastructure. We didn't have a good answer before.

Our air defense is limited and a number of Iran's remaining missiles and drones will certainly get through. The Gulf state's energy and desalination facilities will be targeted. How much damage is unknowable but the kicker is this ... if a renewed bombing campain doesn't work, then what?

Alternatively, we can sit tight for 4-6 more weeks and see how our blockade plays out. They're facing a looming oil shut down, gasoline shortage, and a complete shutdown of almost all imports (food, spare parts, etc.) Meanwhile, we still have the kinetic option as backup.

This is simply just not true. Our defenses are outstanding and are getting better. This ceasefire has also given us time to adjust and add to those air defenses. Cost effective anti drone assests have been added. In some way we have returned to a WWII type of warfare where the primary offensive weapon of the Islamist is a model of the old buzz bombs the Germans sent to England.

We had adjust, sent in the A10 and other prop type plains. We have not been idle. I lived in Dubai for 6 years, have a lot of friends there and other connections. The UAE has been by far the most attacked and the main problem has been fallen debree. A few got through early in the action but not much later.

Furthermore, Israel has sent in the iron dome, and Ukraine is sending in anti drone tech.
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sts7049 said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

Let them have the Strait. Dump that problem on Europe and ME regional nations.

no way. it's a global necessity to have free and open passage there


Correct, HOWEVER, it is not the sole responsibility of thr US to maintain this. Dumping the responsibility on every other nation that relies on it more than we do is wise. They need skin in the game. They need to be motivated into action.
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nortex97 said:

Not implausible, but the leak would probably not be too large, and the Persian Gulf (arabian, whatever) is largely devoid of marine life in any case.

Iran is hoping we don't send an influx of Marine life into the Gulf.
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AlaskanAg99 said:

sts7049 said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

Let them have the Strait. Dump that problem on Europe and ME regional nations.

no way. it's a global necessity to have free and open passage there


Correct, HOWEVER, it is not the sole responsibility of thr US to maintain this. Dumping the responsibility on every other nation that relies on it more than we do is wise. They need skin in the game. They need to be motivated into action.

i agree. all countries have a skin in this game, some affected more than others and some affected in different ways. USA included. when we start running out of helium, urea, jet fuel supply crashes, etc or whatever else we get through the SOH we may not be able to afford (or be willing) to just wait around for others to step up either.
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GAC06 said:

Gaeilge said:



The bombing should continue until morale improves.


That may happen but we better have an answer for their attacks on gulf states oil infrastructure. We didn't have a good answer before.

I believe 'let foreign countries defend their own nation" is a perfectly acceptable answer. Maybe even a necessary one.

We are not the bodyguards for the Gulf states. They need to learn the lesson of what kind of neighbor Islamic Iran is and to prepare to defend themselves accordingly. If they want to pay us to defend them, then we can talk.
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OPAG said:

benchmark said:

GAC06 said:

That may happen but we better have an answer for their attacks on gulf states oil infrastructure. We didn't have a good answer before.

Our air defense is limited and a number of Iran's remaining missiles and drones will certainly get through. The Gulf state's energy and desalination facilities will be targeted. How much damage is unknowable but the kicker is this ... if a renewed bombing campain doesn't work, then what?

Alternatively, we can sit tight for 4-6 more weeks and see how our blockade plays out. They're facing a looming oil shut down, gasoline shortage, and a complete shutdown of almost all imports (food, spare parts, etc.) Meanwhile, we still have the kinetic option as backup.

This is simply just not true. Our defenses are outstanding and are getting better. This ceasefire has also given us time to adjust and add to those air defenses. Cost effective anti drone assests have been added. In some way we have returned to a WWII type of warfare where the primary offensive weapon of the Islamist is a model of the old buzz bombs the Germans sent to England.

We had adjust, sent in the A10 and other prop type plains. We have not been idle. I lived in Dubai for 6 years, have a lot of friends there and other connections. The UAE has been by far the most attacked and the main problem has been fallen debree. A few got through early in the action but not much later.

Furthermore, Israel has sent in the iron dome, and Ukraine is sending in anti drone tech.

This. People assume a "cease fire" means everybody is sitting around with their thumbs up their a**es. We have been surging armaments, troops and material to the region since the cease fire was declared. I guarantee that we have been doing a massive amount of surveilling over Iran during this time as well, and I am sure Mossad has been doing their usual behind the scenes prep work. Plus, the US military in its' current configuration have proven to be fast learners. I think if we go kinetic again, Iran will not have an effective response.
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OPAG said:

This is simply just not true. Our defenses are outstanding and are getting better. This ceasefire has also given us time to adjust and add to those air defenses. Cost effective anti drone assests have been added. In some way we have returned to a WWII type of warfare where the primary offensive weapon of the Islamist is a model of the old buzz bombs the Germans sent to England.

For Fujairah's sake, everyone hopes you're right. Ditto Yanbu in SA. They weren't that lucky last month.
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The U.S. Treasury Secretary says that the naval blockade has placed Iran's oil industries at risk of shutdown and will soon cause a gasoline shortage in the country. He continued by writing: "Soon the pumps will stop working, and then we will have a gasoline shortage in Iran."


This is the part I don't think the general public understands. The oil/gas industry is built to continually run. You can't just turn sites on and off - you need them to keep running. "Turning them off" is a shut-in, which causes damage to the system and will take plenty of time and money to fix.

Iran is getting dangerously close to this, which is probably a stronger pain point for the Iranian Government than any bombs that we drop. And their reactions to the blockade seem to show that they fully understand that.
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I agree with you, yet while I am skeptical of reports of 'blockade running' I am also of the belief they are managing to get by without being within 'days' (or at least under a week or so) of being forced to shut in significant wells/supplies/pipelines.

What I don't understand is why we'd allow that stuff to happen.
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This is the part I don't think the general public understands. The oil/gas industry is built to continually run. You can't just turn sites on and off - you need them to keep running. "Turning them off" is a shut-in, which causes damage to the system and will take plenty of time and money to fix.

Iran is getting dangerously close to this


I'll confess I didn't know this until it was talked about in Venezuela.

But I have also been hearing for two weeks that Iran is within 48 hours of being forced to shut production down. It's hard to know how close this is to actually happening.

I also wouldn't put it past them to pump it out on the ground and set it a blaze
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They've been burning/flaring at an increasing rate.

But to your point, who knows, they've been doing this at scale for years as they are so backwards/poorly run.
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