Ah darn, we busy next week.

So they want something tangible in exchange for "discussions". Seriously?

So sorry Achmed, next week doesn't work for us. We are going to be whoopin some Iranian azz all week next week.

If the IDF is not willing to put boots on the ground to secure the Strait, We should walk away and say it is your problem.

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WSJ is stating the obvious but it's still worth repeating. In the end, it's more than just a pain tolerance contest - it ends when someone is forced to blink.

WSJ: Iran Is Grasping for a Solution to an American Blockade It Can't Break

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The moderates believe in holding fire and negotiating a favorable deal with President Trump, whom they view as eager to get out of the messy war as soon as possible. They worry Iranians are growing tired of the conflict after an initial nationalist uptick.

"The regime has to do something to break this deadlock," Saeid Golkar, who studies Iran at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga. "Moderates want a deal because they think more destruction is political suicide," he said.

A growing camp of hard-liners believe Iran has to take the military initiative and start a shooting war again to send oil prices soaring higher and increase the pressure on Trump. They argue that the blockade goes beyond the sanctions Iran has faced down in the past and amounts to an act of war that must have a military response.

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Iran is betting America will crack first and end its blockade of Iranian ports to calm global markets and bring down American gasoline prices. U.S. officials are betting that Iran will instead relent because of the deepening economic crisis.

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We need to focus on opening the strait, that should be our top goal right now. We need to accelerate the mine clearing, then provide air support to blow any Iranian speed boat out of the water. We also need to seriously get other countries to help with escorts, Trump should have already been doing this, and no, lashing out and bad mouthing those countries is not asking. I understand calling out some of them like Italy and Spain, they did us wrong with denying air space and using OUR bases, there was no reasoning to do that

It would be pretty funny and maybe a good idea, if we let the Iranian tankers through and sold the oil to countries in need, keep the money for Iran after the regime falls for their rebuild. IDK how possible that is, just a crazy idea on my part

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Has it even been confirmed that a single mine has been found? Just because Iran says so doesn't mean they actually deployed any.

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Yeah, feels very Saddam

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These people are delusional. But we knew that. It is why they can never be allowed to have a nuke.

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They are playing a smart game. They aren't going to be budging from their position, and both parties know it however it will provides two possibly positive outcomes.

Either the US doesn't talk and we start bombing making us look like warmongers that rejected an opportunity for peace, or it will delay anything from happening giving more time for Iran to prepare and/or events to turn in their favor.

I hope the only response we give is, "No, you know what we want. Give us it and we will give you X like we promised. No need to talk." Then we just let the blockade strangle them until civil unrest takes over the country.

Nobody other than Iran is willing to put troops in harms way to secure the strait

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They are playing a smart game. They aren't going to be budging from their position, and both parties know it however it will provides two possibly positive outcomes.

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And one big negative outcome … every day they dither away with silly proposals is a day closer to destroying a large part of their recoverable oil reserves.

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I think it would be foolish to not even look at or read what they're offering. Might show you how far apart you are and signal you to go ahead and start bombing again.

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Oh, I'm sure they look at them. Probably to see who's fit of the giggles lasts the longest

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If the IDF is not willing to put boots on the ground to secure the Strait, We should walk away and say it is your problem.

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Israel only cares about the nuclear program. If the enriched uranium stays in Iran, Israel will consider the operation a failure.

Hormuz is a Europe, Africa, and Asia problem.

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So sorry Achmed, next week doesn't work for us. We are going to be whoopin some Iranian azz all week next week.

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Achmed is more of a Sunni Arab name

you mean "Ali" which is a common Shia Persian name

it is strange that there was not a single aircraft over both Iran and Iraq a few times the last 24 hours on FlightRadar

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Israel deployed laser missiles to UAE.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-deployed-laser-system-in-uae-to-help-intercept-iranian-missiles-and-drones-report/

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as I work for that company a clarification:

they are not laser missiles

it is a system similar to Iron Dome (which uses Tamir missile interceptors and Green Pine radar) but Iron BEAM uses focused laser firing INSTEAD of actual missiles

it will not work well in heavy rain or very cold conditions.

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Of which thr UAE, especially now represents none of.

China will dump billions back into their infrastructure and send an army of people to rebuild Iran asap following the conclusion of wherever we are headed to secure a long term trade partner with discounts and control. The only way to slow this down is for the O&G industry to be damaged to an extent the don't have the expertise to recover. This conflict made it real clear where the lines are being drawn in the future which has isolated both China and Russia and pushed Europe to the back bench.

There is no easy way to avoid a conclusion whereby this ultimately does not involve kicking the can down the road. It's really just a matter of how far as "rebuilding" most certainly will start with their nuclear and O&G infrastructure first at the expense of the people as both secure power.

The only way to ensure a different path is to continue to wipe out the leadership and fund the overthrow of the government. How is the problem.

You completely missed the context of what I was saying.

The poster I was replying to was specifically referring to Israel putting "boots on the ground" to secure the Strait of Hormuz. Opening the Strait is not the Israeli objective. Their objective is to end the Iranian nuclear program. That's what they care about.

If Hormuz gets reopened, Europe and Asia are happy, but if it gets opened with Iran still having the nuclear material then Israel would consider the war a failure.

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China will dump billions back into their infrastructure and send an army of people to rebuild Iran asap following the conclusion of wherever we are headed to secure a long term trade partner with discounts and control. The only way to slow this down is for the O&G industry to be damaged to an extent the don't have the expertise to recover. This conflict made it real clear where the lines are being drawn in the future which has isolated both China and Russia and pushed Europe to the back bench.

There is no easy way to avoid a conclusion whereby this ultimately does not involve kicking the can down the road. It's really just a matter of how far as "rebuilding" most certainly will start with their nuclear and O&G infrastructure first at the expense of the people as both secure power.

The only way to ensure a different path is to continue to wipe out the leadership and fund the overthrow of the government. How is the problem.

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There is no long-term solution. There wasn't 20 years ago, there wasn't one before the war started and there won't be one after. We will have to go back in and bomb these clowns again, whether thats in 6 months or 6 years is anyone's guess. All you can do is continually neuter them to reduce the damage they can cause. Even if you get regime change it's not a given (or maybe even likely) you get a better government.

Really what we need to figure out is a more cost effective way of giving them the periodic spanking they need. Whether that's drones or just cheaper missile systems I don't know but this war has demonstrated our strike capabilities do not scale well and are too costly.

IRGC forces appear to have attacked a cargo vessel as it transited the Strait of Hormuz earlier today -UKMTO pic.twitter.com/BSIUu6BNB6

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) May 3, 2026

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Iran has agreed to put its nuclear program on the table in talks with the U.S.

- Tehran has proposed capping uranium enrichment at 3.5%, well below weapons-grade
- Iran has also offered to gradually reduce its existing stockpile of enriched uranium
- This marks a significant shift from previous positions

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🚨 BREAKING:

🇮🇷🇺🇸 Iran has agreed to put its nuclear program on the table in talks with the U.S.

- Tehran has proposed capping uranium enrichment at 3.5%, well below weapons-grade
- Iran has also offered to gradually reduce its existing stockpile of enriched uranium
- This… https://t.co/XvCtqWffG6 pic.twitter.com/mWFHbwV2ux

— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) May 3, 2026

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we'll help build it AND supply the fuel AND install the fuel AND keep permanent monitors at the plant 24/7.

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I'm sorry, but "we'll"? Who is "we'll"? I sense your hand in my wallet.

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we'll help build it AND supply the fuel AND install the fuel AND keep permanent monitors at the plant 24/7.

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I'm sorry, but "we'll"? Who is "we'll"? I sense your hand in my wallet.

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Would still be cheaper than continuous war.

Replace "gradually" with "immediately and completely".

Then just agree to the more important term: "unconditional surrender".

Then we have a starting place for talks.