***Iran [Military Action Thread]***[See Staff Note in OP]

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EFR
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Bombing a nuclear power plant sounds like a bad idea.
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Ag83 said:

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we'll help build it AND supply the fuel AND install the fuel AND keep permanent monitors at the plant 24/7.

I'm sorry, but "we'll"? Who is "we'll"? I sense your hand in my wallet.

"We'll" == The USA


Because all the other solutions just kick this can down the road again, and we'll be right back here in 20 years.

Which will cost a LOT more than my suggestion.
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Rockdoc said:

Ag83 said:

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we'll help build it AND supply the fuel AND install the fuel AND keep permanent monitors at the plant 24/7.

I'm sorry, but "we'll"? Who is "we'll"? I sense your hand in my wallet.

Would still be cheaper than continuous war.

Yep!
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EFR said:

Bombing a nuclear power plant sounds like a bad idea.

Sounds like a really bad idea for Iran.
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Trump has announced the United States will begin escorting civilian ships from the Persian Gulf through the Strait starting tomorrow as a humanitarian gesture, saying many countries have reached out saying ships stuck in the Gulf are running low on food and supplies for their crews. He also stated behind the scenes negotiations with Iran have been taking place.

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The ship movement is merely meant to free up people, companies and countries that have done absolutely nothing wrong They are victims of circumstance. This is a humanitarian gesture on behalf of the United States, Middle Eastern countries but, in particular, the country of Iran.

"Many of these ships are running low on food and everything else necessary for large-scale crews to stay on board in a healthy and sanitary manner," Trump added.

Trump also confirmed that showing goodwill on behalf of all of those who have been fighting over the last several months was important.

"If, in any way, this humanitarian process is interfered with, that interference will, unfortunately, have to be dealt with forcefully," he said.


This reads like Iran has allowed for this to happen.
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I think it is Trump trying to get the Iranians to react militarily so he can clean house.
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Tomorrow (ME time) will be another interesting day.
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I don't get why there is apparently so much pearl clutching going on about ending the ceasefire and who fires first. There was a "ceasefire" before we started this engagement and there seemed a lot less hand -wringing then than there is now. I for one, don't care who starts shooting again, I only care about the results in the end.
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will25u said:




Pretty big caveat to go along with this. US warships are not involved.

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Ag83 said:

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we'll help build it AND supply the fuel AND install the fuel AND keep permanent monitors at the plant 24/7.

I'm sorry, but "we'll"? Who is "we'll"? I sense your hand in my wallet.
Make Iran pay.
We really need to rewrite our laws concerning libel and slander.
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/tanker-said-hit-by-unknown-projectiles-off-uaes-fujairah/

Tanker hit off of UAE
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That reads better than tanker on fire and sinking.

Is it just scant details or a minor attack?

Seems their capabilities with actions like this are quite diminished.

I don't get the feeling the Iranian remnants are sitting on missiles waiting for the right moment.

Harassing the strait would seem to be one of their only angles at the moment.
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Iran said they hit one of our warships in the Strait. US denies it. Stockmarket reacts.
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It would be interesting if we could somehow put an American on any ship passing through the Strait, so if the ship is fired upon, it would be seen as Iran violating the ceasefire.

Obviously, we don't gamble in human lives…

But is it really a gamble if A-10s are on station?
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Kudos to CENTCOM Cmdr Cooper visiting the straits for the kickoff. Doubtful this will be a huge sucess but it's worth a try.

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Ag with kids said:

Ag83 said:

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we'll help build it AND supply the fuel AND install the fuel AND keep permanent monitors at the plant 24/7.

I'm sorry, but "we'll"? Who is "we'll"? I sense your hand in my wallet.

"We'll" == The USA


Because all the other solutions just kick this can down the road again, and we'll be right back here in 20 years.

Which will cost a LOT more than my suggestion.
The long term solution to Iran's nuclear and terror ambitions would happen if the regime has to start shutting down its oil production capabilities. They're not going to get that back for decades if the regime is stupid enough to commit national suicide. It's not likely, but that's what's on the table if they continue to stonewall negotiations.
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Sounds like some people don't have a great understanding of how nuclear reactors/reactions work. Bombing a nuclear facility would be a global catastrophe. Not to mention the precedent it sets.

Think about this. In the russo/ukranian war they've destroyed major dams, destroyed incredible amounts of infrastructure, and have endured hundreds of thousands of casualties. still, they haven't ever truly considered compromising the stability of that plant. there's a reason for that.

don't set the precedent that nuclear power facilities are legitimate targets. extremely bad move long term. it is honestly surprising that we even have to discuss this. it's as bad as deploying tactical nuclear weapons in the battlefield with a higher level of uncertainty of how bad the long-term damage would be.
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seems like a pretty big victory.

meanwhile, the lying murderers in Teheran are claiming they fired two missiles hitting a US Navy warship today.

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ErnestEndeavor
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Iran first claimed they had struck a U.S vessel with missiles, then walked back the claim saying they were just warning shots and the navy vessel turned away.

CENTCOM says two US Navy ships traversed the strait and are operating in the "Arabian Gulf" (nice dig) and have escorted two US Merchant Marine vessels out of the area.
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Fair enough. How about we change "bombing their nuclear power plant to rubble" with the "removal of all fissionable material at gunpoint and THEN rendering their nuclear power plant permanently inoperable by whatever means necessary"? Better?

TBH I don't care how we shut it down. We've shut down several dozen nuclear power plants here in the USA so I'm sure we could find a way to do it there as well. Point being that Iran is not and will not be enriching uranium in any capacity for any purpose whatsoever.
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agent-maroon said:

Fair enough. How about we change "bombing their nuclear power plant to rubble" with the "removal of all fissionable material at gunpoint and THEN rendering their nuclear power plant permanently inoperable by whatever means necessary"? Better?

TBH I don't care how we shut it down. We've shut down several dozen nuclear power plants here in the USA so I'm sure we could find a way to do it there as well. Point being that Iran is not and will not be enriching uranium in any capacity for any purpose whatsoever.

You absolutely can strike a nuclear power plant without ejecting radioactive material into the air.

And you really only need to focus on the infamous research reactor and I believe one other facility they use for "research". Iran has clean alternatives for energy so in my view just tell them they have to pause all nuclear operations for 50 years.

Outside that you can hit various points long the T&D system and with nowhere for the juice to flow the plants will have to enter a shutdown regardless. Then a plant that is shutdown is a much more manageable target.
EFR
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Their one functioning nuclear power plant is a VVER-1000 which I don't believe is capable of enriching uranium, so destroying it would do nothing to keep them from getting a weapon.
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Blurb on Fox that UAE is saying an empty crude carrier was struck but no further info. Did not seem like it was serious.

Hopefully again these are just harassment, last gasps of a disjointed regime.
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ErnestEndeavor said:

Iran first claimed they had struck a U.S vessel with missiles, then walked back the claim saying they were just warning shots and the navy vessel turned away.

CENTCOM says two US Navy ships traversed the strait and are operating in the "Arabian Gulf" (nice dig) and have escorted two US Merchant Marine vessels out of the area.
When did this escort happen and what is the source? Not seeing anything recent on it on the CENTCOM website.
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We already tried that. It was called the JCPOA. We can see how well that worked out.
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wtmartinaggie said:

Sounds like some people don't have a great understanding of how nuclear reactors/reactions work. Bombing a nuclear facility would be a global catastrophe. Not to mention the precedent it sets.

Think about this. In the russo/ukranian war they've destroyed major dams, destroyed incredible amounts of infrastructure, and have endured hundreds of thousands of casualties. still, they haven't ever truly considered compromising the stability of that plant. there's a reason for that.

don't set the precedent that nuclear power facilities are legitimate targets. extremely bad move long term. it is honestly surprising that we even have to discuss this. it's as bad as deploying tactical nuclear weapons in the battlefield with a higher level of uncertainty of how bad the long-term damage would be.


Sounds like you weren't paying a lot of attention to Ukraine. Not only did Russia attack and occupy Chernobyl during the early part of the war, they also intentionally struck the NSC with a drone last year, setting recovery and cleanup efforts back by at least a decade.



That being said, bombing a nuclear power plant would not be a "global catastrophe". Chernobyl was not a global catastrophe. Neither was ***ushima. Regional disaster? Sure. Global catastrophe? Not so much. Bombing a nuclear reactor is not going to create a nuclear explosion. And even if it did, it's still not a "global catastrophe"
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/south-korea-checking-whether-korean-flagged-vessel-struck-in-hormuz-report-says/

South Korean flagged vessel may have been hit
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A fire in the engine room doesn't exactly sound attacked. Sounds like **** that happens.
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EFR said:

Their one functioning nuclear power plant is a VVER-1000 which I don't believe is capable of enriching uranium, so destroying it would do nothing to keep them from getting a weapon.

I don't care
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Power plants don't enrich uranium, that takes centrifuges.
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The fact we can't or won't force the Strait is getting pretty frustrating. This stand off is starting to feel kinda quagmirish, albeit near casualty free.
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UAE activates air defenses due to missile threat.
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