TheRatt87 said:

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Trying to keep track... will Vance be Hitler 3.0 or 4.0?

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Does Darth Cheney count as one of the literal Hitlers?

Being a state governor and becoming President is one of the most successful presidential paths there is. There have been multiple successful governors who have become President in the modern era. Name one President in the modern era whose immediate prior job was SecState. In fact name one President in the modern era who held the position of SecState.

I reject your comparison of CFB to NFL head coaches. There is clearly no equivalency.

WinTheWholeDamnThing said:

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You can support him. But don't act like it's crazy to notice this isn't a grassroots miracle it's a carefully managed, network-driven rise, with multiple ideological pivots along the way.

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honestly vance having a silicon valley leash around his neck is the least of his worries. he's suffering from the same problem kamala did: he's the vp to a deeply unpopular president who's sandbagging his future prospects.

captkirk said:

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Desperation makes for stinky cologne

THE DEMOCRATS ARE NEVER RECOVERING FROM THIS! THEIR APPROVAL RATING NOW SITS AT -55 PTS WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!! pic.twitter.com/WKOu7uju0s

— Just Jen R𝕏 🫡🇺🇸 (@JustJenRX) February 17, 2026

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Lol that guy is the best in the business with his poll analysis

Wow. You straight-up ignored my entire post and came back asking the same question like a malfunctioning robot. It's actually impressive how little reading you did and still thought you were making a point.

Vance's policy stances seem far more populist than conservative. Very much against this strain of politics creeping into the Republican platform. We need to get rid of elite favoritism, not show more favoritism to unions and the like.

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I guess Peter Thiel is to conservative capitalists what George Soros is to anarchist communists?

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I wish.

Can you imagine if Theil paid for everyone's travel expenses that wanted to go to a rally to pass the SAVE act?

Don't pay for them to be there, just pay to get them there. So many people would plan a free DC vacation just to get the SAVE act passed. Would be amazing to see a couple of million people in the Mall protesting on a Saturday.

Love Vance.

Lose the eye liner. It's obvious. It's weird. It's distracting during his interviews. And believe it or not that is a factor in a general election.

Do you ever tire of being flat out wrong? Your batting average is phenomenal!

WinTheWholeDamnThing said:

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Wow. You straight-up ignored my entire post and came back asking the same question like a malfunctioning robot. It's actually impressive how little reading you did and still thought you were making a point.

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I'm just trying to figure out how Thiel supposedly crafted his persona. To get to the bottom of that, you have to start with the question of when did the crafting begin?

It's a germane question. I am wondering why you are avoiding answering it.

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captkirk said:

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THE DEMOCRATS ARE NEVER RECOVERING FROM THIS! THEIR APPROVAL RATING NOW SITS AT -55 PTS WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!

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That guy underestimates the stupidity of those who might tend towards the left.

It only takes one emotional issue to fan the flames of the left's feels.

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What he underestimates is the Republican's unique ability to F up such an incredible opportunity.

They are worse than our football team at finishing their opponents when they are on the floor.

Well.... Maybe not THAT bad. But bad.

Stmichael said:

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Vance's policy stances seem far more populist than conservative. Very much against this strain of politics creeping into the Republican platform. We need to get rid of elite favoritism, not show more favoritism to unions and the like.

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1) How is he populist vs conservative, from a policy perspective? It's an important distinction.

2) What is the difference between fighting elite favoritism and populism?

3) Where has Vance shown support for unions?

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I fail to see why having Theil back him is disqualifying.

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Because Trump gave Palantir a giant contract to mine gov't data, or something like that, so now anything to do with Palantir and Thiel is Nazi.

Old McDonald or Shiftyandquick have got to be the new usernames for the old Tech troll, Reed McKenzie IV, who was always on the scene to predict Tech beating A&M in different sports, only to see his dreams disappear in some quarter, half, or inning. Every single time--dead-ass wrong.

fightingfarmer09 said:

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Love Vance.

Lose the eye liner. It's obvious. It's weird. It's distracting during his interviews. And believe it or not that is a factor in a general election.

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I honestly blame Usha for the eyeliner. I think she thinks it make Vance look sexy. Indian men and eyeliner are a thing.

Part of me says, hey man, don't forget your demographic.

The other part of me says, um, Usha's pretty hot, especially for a really, really smart chick. If mama wants eyeliner, mama gets eyeliner. Apparently, that has been working for at least a few months now.

Theils donations are noted, but can any one of our resident socialists list the actual things Vance has done so far as US Senator or VPOTUS to demonstrate his "silicone valley leash around his neck" or to "serve the business interests of the billionaires"?

Thiel, Musk, Trump and few others notwithstanding, 75% of billionaires still sit atop their thrones of self-righteousness and support the socialist government regime that you do. Why is Theil backing Vance so bad but Soros funding chaos from local DAs and country judges to congressmen across the US supposed to be a boogieman that doesn't exist?

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Honestly, it just makes me like Vance more.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2026/02/17/jd-vance-ready-to-run-the-world-00785096

If this is the best swing to take at Vance, he is going to be a force to be reckoned with.

Politico says that he is:

1) More ideological than Trump. I think that this is meant to be a swing. It isn't. It is actually a good thing, and highlights the fact that Vance probably has more raw intelligence than Trump, and likely by a large factor.

2) Is very isolationist, and foreign leaders don't like dealing with him. Um, Good Vance, and Good Vance.

3) He is "determined to change the grand strategy of the US". This is America First, working class Americans at the front of that line.

Trump has that weird aura about him that, while he is a huge narcissist, he can relate day-to-day with the everyman. He called his gardener for crying out loud to talk about whether or not to name Vance as VP.

But, Vance IS the everyman. The Rolling Stones tried to depict him as upper middle class, but, the reality is, most of the money that Vance had growing up came from Grandma's government checks. He made a name for himself with hard work, determination, and some daring (to write his first book). He relates to the working man because that is where he grew up.

And he's really freaking smart.
And he is eloquent.
And he successfully makes fun of people for saying stupid things.
And he successfully talks down to people that ask stupid and / or loaded questions.

Policy wise, I think that Trump and Vance are likely close, with maybe less worry about the trade deficit from Vance.

And if this Politico piece is any indication on how to try and attack him, it's not looking good for the Dems in 2028.

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All of that is good stuff - not much of a hit piece.

Politico doesn't matter. Vance is going to roll in 2028.

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DeSantis is the only one of the 3 who has truly had executive experience. He is by far the best bet we have to actually transform Washington. There is zero doubt he is a true conservative and committed to the cause. He actually left Washington D.C.

After DeSantis it's Rubio.

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I like JD Vance more for owning people in front of the camera and calling out the hypocrisy and absurdity of the left, but I agree...NOT ONE LEADER has taken the fight to the modern left, with actual action and not words, and skins on the wall, like Desantis.

No one. Although some leaders have just watched what he does and try to imitate, and I'll take that.

Desantis just doesn't have the appeal or charisma so many shallow Americans require imo. JD Vance has that.

oh no said:

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Why is Theil backing Vance so bad but Soros funding chaos from local DAs and country judges to congressmen across the US supposed to be a boogieman that doesn't exist?

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por que no los dos?

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aggie93 said:

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If Trump is followed by some combination of Vance/Rubio/DeSantis all working together for 8 years they can truly fix this country. The window is there.

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How in the world do we get all 3 of these guys in the White House at the same time?

It's too much to ask, but would be awesome.

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Plenty of roles for all 3 of them. Most likely would be Vance President, Rubio VP, DeSantis AG but there are plenty of ways to move that around. Most electable would be Rubio/Vance or Rubio/DeSantis but the Trump loyalists will want Vance who is solid but the weakest of the 3 honestly. My personal favorite would be DeSantis/Vance with Rubio staying SoS but that's the least likely. They all have shown signs of playing nice together but it will have to be with Trump stepping back and Susie Wiles gone.

My fear is they all run for the top of the ticket and bludgeon each other.

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aggie93 said:

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If Trump is followed by some combination of Vance/Rubio/DeSantis all working together for 8 years they can truly fix this country. The window is there.

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Rubio is far superior as a candidate to Vance

13 years older

More eloquent

Latino and speaks Spanish

has actually had EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE

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I disagree on the 'more eloquent' part pesonally. JD Vance is very eloquent, but also a savage with a smile on his face. He scores about as close to perfect in this area as one possibly could imo. He would also be about JFK's age is he runs for president. I'd much rather that than 80+. I will admit though, that I am surprised to find out that he would be one of the youngest presidents in our nation's history...for some reason I was assuming that, like the founders, we had had some more in their 30's and low 40's sprinkled in.

But I like Rubio a lot and would gladly vote for him.

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Vance is not as smooth as Rubio. He's eloquent but not on the same level. Vance is more relatable and blue collar, Rubio is more polished. Good and bad to both. DeSantis is between the 2.

It's politico. A biased joke of a publication.

They hate Trump and all Republicans.

It's just yellow rag journalism.

Can people copy and paste the article text for posts like this so every one of us doesn't have to give them another click to read their insanity? Or is that against the rules?

Haven't read it yet but it's not surprising. I bet next week they'll have one for Rubio due to his great speech last week.

aggie93 said:

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1981 Monte Carlo said:

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LMCane said:

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aggie93 said:

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If Trump is followed by some combination of Vance/Rubio/DeSantis all working together for 8 years they can truly fix this country. The window is there.

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Rubio is far superior as a candidate to Vance

13 years older

More eloquent

Latino and speaks Spanish

has actually had EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE

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I disagree on the 'more eloquent' part pesonally. JD Vance is very eloquent, but also a savage with a smile on his face. He scores about as close to perfect in this area as one possibly could imo. He would also be about JFK's age is he runs for president. I'd much rather that than 80+. I will admit though, that I am surprised to find out that he would be one of the youngest presidents in our nation's history...for some reason I was assuming that, like the founders, we had had some more in their 30's and low 40's sprinkled in.

But I like Rubio a lot and would gladly vote for him.

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Vance is not as smooth as Rubio. He's eloquent but not on the same level. Vance is more relatable and blue collar, Rubio is more polished. Good and bad to both. DeSantis is between the 2.

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Any of the 3 is a ZILLION times better than any d'rat. The only thing tough about '28 will be trying to pick the best of the 3, all of which are excellent.

Judging from this thread, the Groypers and the marxists both hate JD.

That makes me love him even more.

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BusterAg said:

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aggie93 said:

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If Trump is followed by some combination of Vance/Rubio/DeSantis all working together for 8 years they can truly fix this country. The window is there.

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How in the world do we get all 3 of these guys in the White House at the same time?

It's too much to ask, but would be awesome.

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Plenty of roles for all 3 of them. Most likely would be Vance President, Rubio VP, DeSantis AG but there are plenty of ways to move that around. Most electable would be Rubio/Vance or Rubio/DeSantis but the Trump loyalists will want Vance who is solid but the weakest of the 3 honestly. My personal favorite would be DeSantis/Vance with Rubio staying SoS but that's the least likely. They all have shown signs of playing nice together but it will have to be with Trump stepping back and Susie Wiles gone.

My fear is they all run for the top of the ticket and bludgeon each other.

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1) I think that Vance is the most electable. He is just likable, and he can debate with the very best of them. Rubio comes off to the average guy / girl as a stiff and DeSantis as a goober. I think that how the DeSantis' family handled Casey's cancer helps DeSantis with women, but the Vance baby helps Vance in that department too.

2) I don't think Vance will play unless he is the top of the ticket. There are only two ways to go from VP, up or out. If its about money, he will probably make more money on the talk circuit, etc. than he would another stint at VP.

3) I am also worried that these guys beat each other up on the way to the top. They need to play nice, somehow. Not sure what that looks like, though.

BusterAg said:

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aggie93 said:

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BusterAg said:

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aggie93 said:

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If Trump is followed by some combination of Vance/Rubio/DeSantis all working together for 8 years they can truly fix this country. The window is there.

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How in the world do we get all 3 of these guys in the White House at the same time?

It's too much to ask, but would be awesome.

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Plenty of roles for all 3 of them. Most likely would be Vance President, Rubio VP, DeSantis AG but there are plenty of ways to move that around. Most electable would be Rubio/Vance or Rubio/DeSantis but the Trump loyalists will want Vance who is solid but the weakest of the 3 honestly. My personal favorite would be DeSantis/Vance with Rubio staying SoS but that's the least likely. They all have shown signs of playing nice together but it will have to be with Trump stepping back and Susie Wiles gone.

My fear is they all run for the top of the ticket and bludgeon each other.

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1) I think that Vance is the most electable. He is just likable, and he can debate with the very best of them. Rubio comes off to the average guy / girl as a stiff and DeSantis as a goober. I think that how the DeSantis' family handled Casey's cancer helps DeSantis with women, but the Vance baby helps Vance in that department too.

2) I don't think Vance will play unless he is the top of the ticket. There are only two ways to go from VP, up or out. If its about money, he will probably make more money on the talk circuit, etc. than he would another stint at VP.

3) I am also worried that these guys beat each other up on the way to the top. They need to play nice, somehow. Not sure what that looks like, though.

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Rubio and DeSantis have far more crossover appeal than Vance. Vance has more appeal to rural and non college voters but that's already the GOP base. The key to a big W is the Suburbs and DeSantis and Rubio play to that crowd far more effectively because they come across as one of them. The Suburbs are the swing. Vance is much more Trump like which is good and bad because you turn off as many as you turn on. Rubio and especially DeSantis have enough differentiation to avoid that.

DeSantis is the best debater of the group, there is a reason Trump avoided him. He absolutely destroyed Newsom and Haley and he was more disciplined and effective than Vivek. Rubio is very good and likely has improved dramatically since Christie crushed him in 2016. He's become more conservative and he's got some really nice foreign policy skins on the wall now. Vance is decent but his only real experience was against that idiot Walz and he basically played not to lose and let Walz hang himself. DeSantis has the ability to recall data like very few I've ever seen and he has a near flawless track record.

The personality stuff is just dumb. All 3 of them are sharp and have appeal. It's just none of them are Trump but no one is except Trump.

The issue though is you have to win the GOP primary first. If Trump endorses Vance it's over. Even if he doesn't endorse Vance he will be hard to beat because he will get the majority of the hardcore MAGA voters who care about personality over policy and value loyalty to Trump above all. That's going to be almost impossible to overcome, especially since Vance is already VP. I'm fine with that, I like Vance.

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WinTheWholeDamnThing said:

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Wow. You straight-up ignored my entire post and came back asking the same question like a malfunctioning robot. It's actually impressive how little reading you did and still thought you were making a point.

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I'm just trying to figure out how Thiel supposedly crafted his persona. To get to the bottom of that, you have to start with the question of when did the crafting begin?

It's a germane question. I am wondering why you are avoiding answering it.

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Lmao, you keep pretending this is some "mystery" about when crafting began, but I've already spelled it out for you: The Bush-era NeoCon Frum grooming came first. He met Thiel through Yale networks after. The book came after. The VC job came after. The Senate funding came after. That's literally the timeline.

Here's what you're missing: Vance hated his own upbringing. Ashamed of Appalachia, ashamed of his family, desperate to escape into elite Yale circles. Fast forward, and suddenly he's the "champion of the forgotten people"? A working-class populist hero? Please. That's not growth or perspective that's carefully packaged opportunism. His MAGA pivot, his populist narrative, even the "man of the people" persona all of it is strategically crafted for political gain while he stays tethered to the Silicon Valley elites who've always backed him. He didn't magically become the voice of the working class; he became the appearance of it, because it served him and his little tech puppeteers.

You're not asking a "germane" question. You're repeating a question that's already been answered because it's easier than engaging with the actual argument. Stop pretending you're digging for truth when you're just stuck on loop.

The bigger picture is far more telling: he pivots wherever power and opportunity are, repackaging himself along the way. That's the story and it's a lot more important than the tiny question you're obsessed with repeating.

TheRatt87 said:

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Trying to keep track... will Vance be Hitler 3.0 or 4.0?

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Hillbilly Hitler

zeig y'all

Ddp

If he's more ideological than Trump, then that means he's more conservative than Trump.

I fail to see the negatives here.

aggie93 said:

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BusterAg said:

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aggie93 said:

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BusterAg said:

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aggie93 said:

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If Trump is followed by some combination of Vance/Rubio/DeSantis all working together for 8 years they can truly fix this country. The window is there.

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How in the world do we get all 3 of these guys in the White House at the same time?

It's too much to ask, but would be awesome.

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Plenty of roles for all 3 of them. Most likely would be Vance President, Rubio VP, DeSantis AG but there are plenty of ways to move that around. Most electable would be Rubio/Vance or Rubio/DeSantis but the Trump loyalists will want Vance who is solid but the weakest of the 3 honestly. My personal favorite would be DeSantis/Vance with Rubio staying SoS but that's the least likely. They all have shown signs of playing nice together but it will have to be with Trump stepping back and Susie Wiles gone.

My fear is they all run for the top of the ticket and bludgeon each other.

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1) I think that Vance is the most electable. He is just likable, and he can debate with the very best of them. Rubio comes off to the average guy / girl as a stiff and DeSantis as a goober. I think that how the DeSantis' family handled Casey's cancer helps DeSantis with women, but the Vance baby helps Vance in that department too.

2) I don't think Vance will play unless he is the top of the ticket. There are only two ways to go from VP, up or out. If its about money, he will probably make more money on the talk circuit, etc. than he would another stint at VP.

3) I am also worried that these guys beat each other up on the way to the top. They need to play nice, somehow. Not sure what that looks like, though.

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Rubio and DeSantis have far more crossover appeal than Vance. Vance has more appeal to rural and non college voters but that's already the GOP base. The key to a big W is the Suburbs and DeSantis and Rubio play to that crowd far more effectively because they come across as one of them. The Suburbs are the swing. Vance is much more Trump like which is good and bad because you turn off as many as you turn on. Rubio and especially DeSantis have enough differentiation to avoid that.

DeSantis is the best debater of the group, there is a reason Trump avoided him. He absolutely destroyed Newsom and Haley and he was more disciplined and effective than Vivek. Rubio is very good and likely has improved dramatically since Christie crushed him in 2016. He's become more conservative and he's got some really nice foreign policy skins on the wall now. Vance is decent but his only real experience was against that idiot Walz and he basically played not to lose and let Walz hang himself. DeSantis has the ability to recall data like very few I've ever seen and he has a near flawless track record.

The personality stuff is just dumb. All 3 of them are sharp and have appeal. It's just none of them are Trump but no one is except Trump.

The issue though is you have to win the GOP primary first. If Trump endorses Vance it's over. Even if he doesn't endorse Vance he will be hard to beat because he will get the majority of the hardcore MAGA voters who care about personality over policy and value loyalty to Trump above all. That's going to be almost impossible to overcome, especially since Vance is already VP. I'm fine with that, I like Vance.

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Of the three, I like DeSantis the most because I love the job he's done as FL governor. He's done a great job as chief executive and hasn't shied away from tough fights and using power to advance a conservative agenda. Tenacious as hell and super smart.

He's my top choice but I think he lacks appeal to people who aren't as conservative as me. He can come across "angry" in debates and a bit awkward as well. I see the diamond underneath the rough, but some people don't.

Vance and Rubio are more skilled in communicating with others publicly. Their non-verbal visuals are better than Ron's. They also both have compelling personal stories, whether it's Vance's upbringing as lower middle class and service in the Marines, or Rubio's story as a son of Cuban immigrants who came to this country legally in search of a better life. He's grown a lot in his SoS role, and his bilingual skills give him an advantage with the growing US Hispanic population.

I think Rubio's probably got the best odds, followed by Vance, and then DeSantis, but I'd be thrilled with any of the three as next President. If DeSantis isn't the guy, he's got a great skill set for US Attorney General, where that tenacity under a supportive president can be deployed to move the needle on reversing decades of leftist agendas.

JD Vance has like a -13% Approval rating nationally. That's terrible. Also, JD Vance just loves commie dictator Putin, communist Russia, and the far-right borderline authoritarian government in Hungary and the admittedly far-right government of Slovakia. Judge people by who their friends are in cases of leadership.

It's beyond wild JD Vance attacks our democracy allies and props up dictatorships. God knows if Venezuela had offered a bribe to Trump/Vance, then Maduro would still be in power. And if Trump gets a bribe from Iran, then he won't do military action to them as they murder their protesters.

I love it when the liberals are crying. We're over the target and they can't get out of the way.