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Queso1 said:

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At my school, coaches coached and teachers taught. I have a very solid grasp of history. I'm not like some leftist mouth breather that always cries "WW2", "Nazis" and "Hitler"

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Instead, you always cry "AIPAC," "Isreeeeal" and "Bibi"

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#truth

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At my school, coaches coached and teachers taught. I have a very solid grasp of history. I'm not like some leftist mouth breather that always cries "WW2", "Nazis" and "Hitler"

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Care to point out what parts of history you THINK I got wrong?

So pathetic.

I didn't say you got anything wrong. I'm just saying that it seems the less developed minds on the left and right always go to WW2 on about every issue. Somewhat of a variant of Godwin's Law.

If I don't respond, it's because I'm enjoying the crying on Reddit over the SC decision.

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I didn't say you got anything wrong. I'm just saying that it seems the less developed minds on the left and right always go to WW2 on about every issue. Somewhat of a variant of Godwin's Law.

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So I have a less developed mind because I recognized that German would very likely have been the #1 nuclear power (and we would all have blonde hair, speak German and be wearing Groucho pants and brown shirts) had the US and others not expended huge resources not simply developing our own nuke, but ensuring the Germans never got closer.

From stealing the secrets of he Manhattan project until their first successful tests was just a 4 year window for the Rus. 4 years following significant devastation, loss of manpower, significant damage to industry, infrastructure and resources in post-war CCCP to get their own nuke.

Yet people scoff that 80 years later, Iran with significant resources including intelligence both obtained and learned, is incapable of quickly taking 60% uranium and existing missile programs to have a viable nuclear weapon. That's very, very naive to the point of being dangerous, delusional.

Godwin's Law strikes again. It is undefeated

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But to pretend the Nazis were not working towards one and that they very well could have succeeded is being very ignorant of history.

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This is not the point of the thread, of course, but what evidence do you have for this statement?

From what I have read, the Nazi scientists were not at all convinced a bomb could be made within an acceptable time frame that would influence the outcome of the war.

Also, their energies were split between exploring a bomb and developing a reactor.

In any case, both attempts were massively underfunded, so much so that historians today believe the Nazis were nowhere close to developing a bomb.

Of course Americans did not know that and had to proceed on the assumption that there WAS a race for a bomb, though in fact the Germans had, either because of grave doubts or lack of funding, chosen not to participate or were unable to participate.

Just to add, I certainly believe that Iran has been working diligently to develop a bomb and it is foolish and naive to pretend that they have not been.

My post on Nazi and nukes was meant to show that we have indeed spent blood and treasure preventing others from having nukes.

On the history, notice the mention of Barbarossa. That sidelined any further development in 1942, which turns out to be the same period Manhattan Project got going. By 1943 and losing the Battle of the Atlantic, any Nazi hope for a nuke was long gone.

But, had Barbarossa been better planned and executed (to you comment, not the point of this thread but for context), Hitler and friends very well could have made great progress and in theory could have been more capable disrupting Oppenheimer's work.

I get the "if my aunt had balls…" comments some may make in response to an alternate history, but the rationale for discussing here is that it only takes a few wrong turns for very, very bad things to happen.

1.5 hour call is interesting, if true. It is tough to have a productive call that lengthy, about any topics planned for discussion.

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My suspicion is that the discussion ranged into post-war transition plans/negotiations.

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I think I am good

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You're not. I was referring to the US prior to World War 2. Americans were deeply isolationist before Dec 7, 1941.

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You're not. I was referring to the US prior to World War 2. Americans were deeply isolationist before Dec 7, 1941.

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Begging forgiveness for adding to the derail but you are correct. Fortunately, I think most would agree, Germany declared war on us. The vote in Congress to declare war on Germany would have been a tough one.

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You're not. I was referring to the US prior to World War 2. Americans were deeply isolationist before Dec 7, 1941.

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Begging forgiveness for adding to the derail but you are correct. Fortunately, I think most would agree, Germany declared war on us. The vote in Congress to declare war on Germany would have been a tough one.

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on december 8, i agree.

but it was inevitable. rising tensions in the atlantic already at that point. united states would have eventually declared war even if germany didn't do so right after pearl harbor

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Godwin's Law strikes again. It is undefeated

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This is so on brand to call analyzing actual major historical events "Godwin's Law" in the same thread as citing 10 different JewAnon theories.

Never heard of Godwins law and now feel dumber for learning about it.

Same "law" would apply to any significant historical event / figure.

flown-the-coop's laws: any discussion on f16 about government overreach will eventually devolve into a discussion on COVID. Any discussion in The Zoo on premium subscriptions will eventually devolve into a discussion on newsletters from Fran. Any discussion in The Nerdery on video conversion will eventually devolve into a discussion on laserdiscs being superior to DVDs.

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You're not. I was referring to the US prior to World War 2. Americans were deeply isolationist before Dec 7, 1941.

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Begging forgiveness for adding to the derail but you are correct. Fortunately, I think most would agree, Germany declared war on us. The vote in Congress to declare war on Germany would have been a tough one.

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on december 8, i agree.

but it was inevitable. rising tensions in the atlantic already at that point. united states would have eventually declared war even if germany didn't do so right after pearl harbor

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People acting like the US was nothing but isolationist prior to World War II conveniently ignore the Great White Fleet 30 years prior and our participation in WWI.

Our policy of isolationism prior to December 7th was driven bather the relatively recent exhaustion from WWI and the Great Depression.

We also were pretty active in welcoming German scientists and other scholars as Naziism rose.

Revisionist history is a poor man's game. Acting like we were just like Iran and wanted to be left along ignores the long history prior to the run up to WWII where we did anything but try and keep to ourselves.

You're pretty poor then cause you're stretching history pretty far on this topic.

And to keep it relevant since it involves policy, Trump ran as an isolationist.

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You're pretty poor then cause you're stretching history pretty far on this topic.

And to keep it relevant since it involves policy, Trump ran as an isolationist.

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Trump ran as America first. So even recent history seems to be a challenge for you.

Pretty weak to retort with ignoring history from 100+ years ago in favor of 80+ years ago then turnaround and mischaracterize trumps position.

Good luck with all that.

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Pretty weak to retort with ignoring history from 100+ years ago in favor of 80+ years ago then turnaround and mischaracterize trumps position.

Good luck with all that.

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Not sure about luck but if you are going to use 100+ years, then George Washington disagrees with you. He set the tone for US isolationism. It could argued that the post WW 2 era has been defined as the US being less isolationist.

And I didn't mischaracterize Trumps words. You can look them up yourself.

WWII thread now?

No, just keeping history straight without Trump revisionism since this is a policy thread with regards to political fallout.

Somebody missed Barbary pirates day in their history class.

But you derailed this enough.

Preventing nukes in Iran is an America first agenda, consistent with Trumps overall position on Iran for 40 years.

He ran on America First. Tariffs, trade deals, international investment worth trillions of dollars, the Abraham accords, killing Baghdadi, killing Solemeni, building up our military, on and on all bely your claim Trump is an isolationist.

The war in Iran is absolutely consistent with Trumps campaign and agenda.

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No, just keeping history straight without Trump revisionism since this is a policy thread with regards to political fallout.

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My mischaracterizing history to fit a TDS narrative? I mean, people can go look up the history. What's interesting is you refuse to do so.

But to each its own.

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The war in Iran is absolutely consistent with Trumps campaign and agenda.

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The war in Iran is absolutely consistent with Trumps campaign and agenda.

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War started 47 years ago. Trump is finishing it. HTH.

You guys are retreading crap from 2 months ago. Have anything new?

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No their teachers did. A long time ago.

I learned about the Barbary Pirates from...surprise surprise...SRA reading program in elementary school.

To be fair, my teachers probably missed it as well. Fortunately I took History of American Seapower with Dr Bradford in the old Trigon. Lots of discussion on the importance of maintaining a robust navy if one wants to protect its shores before folks arrive on their own.

Still not sure what you are referring to by "AIPAC Fury".

But its hard to call a "war" that has not lasted even 2 months with about half that being a cease fire and no boots on the ground is somehow our new Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq again wars by, as you put it, low IQ POTUS's who lacked the contents of heir scrotums.

Hit us back with an update or breaking news. In the meantime, I look forward to the upcoming overthrow of the IRGC and the Islamic Regime and a return of he Kingdom of Iran.

You can wish for vaporized grandchildren, I shall support a safer world with America taking her lead at the helm of society once again.

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Only way they are holding out until 2028 is if they are going to sacrifice all modern amenities and transition country to Taliban level Islam. Living in caves and huts.

Are they that dedicated to the cause?

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I dont think holding out to 2028 is the plan, but I'm sure the IRGC is considering the possibility there is a pause/hurdle in US, that causes a prolonged period of limited pressure against them, until a new admin. Other countries think longer term than us.

That said, there are key hurdles in the near term that the IRGC has more focus on. Funding (in weeks) and midterms (in months) specifically. Their cause is self preservation. Our cause looks more and more like a political victory for Trump to proclaim he saved us from a nuclear holocaust a 4th time (if he can get the Israel First crowd off his back).

This is all just a rational projection of possibilities. Its not meant to offend Jewish Americans or "root for the terrorists". I'm aware that the Iranian parliament chanted "death to America" after we killed a beloved military leader of theirs. I'm also aware that many believe the slogan "they must never have nukes" is enough justification for our Exec Branch to expend American lives and major taxpayer funds. I just dont see much value in that echo chamber of ME war cheerleading.

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Drawing it out is certainly their strategy and exactly what i would do if I was a crazy Islamic 12ver who understood how American politics works. If Trump is able to continue unabated, then they have no way to wait that long. If Trump gets undercut, then their strategy will work for sure.

All depends on how long his mandate lasts for this endeavor.

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If Trumpis able to continue unabated, then they have no way to wait that long. If Trump gets undercut, then their strategy will work for sure.

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You mean, if the US taxpayer is able to continue unabated....or if the US taxpayer gets undercut.

Thats really how this should all be looked at.

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Queso1 said:

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I didn't say you got anything wrong. I'm just saying that it seems the less developed minds on the left and right always go to WW2 on about every issue. Somewhat of a variant of Godwin's Law.

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So I have a less developed mind because I recognized that German would very likely have been the #1 nuclear power (and we would all have blonde hair, speak German and be wearing Groucho pants and brown shirts) had the US and others not expended huge resources not simply developing our own nuke, but ensuring the Germans never got closer.

From stealing the secrets of he Manhattan project until their first successful tests was just a 4 year window for the Rus. 4 years following significant devastation, loss of manpower, significant damage to industry, infrastructure and resources in post-war CCCP to get their own nuke.

Yet people scoff that 80 years later, Iran with significant resources including intelligence both obtained and learned, is incapable of quickly taking 60% uranium and existing missile programs to have a viable nuclear weapon. That's very, very naive to the point of being dangerous, delusional.

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Great post.

Non-interventionists would see a nuclear tipped ICBM in flight towards US, and drone footage of a 1000 warships headed to our coasts, and be like " ehhh...just a scare tactic. We need to focus on America first."

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If Trumpis able to continue unabated, then they have no way to wait that long. If Trump gets undercut, then their strategy will work for sure.

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You mean, if the US taxpayer is able to continue unabated....or if the US taxpayer gets undercut.

Thats really how this should all be looked at.

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US taxpayer elected Trump to be President and to serve as Commander-in-Chief of our Armed Forces and who swore an oath to protect these United States.

That's constitutionally how it should be looked at.