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The rightwing party base hates Dems more than anything. That mindset won't change when the November election rolls around.

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I hope it doesn't change. Democrats are now openly communist and hate this country. For all of the Republican's faults (and there are many), they are still better than the alternative. Only reason to vote for Republicans at this point is to selfishly try and delay the inevitable while I'm alive.

It sucks we've ended up in a situation where we are $40T in debt and growing it by $1T every six months. Both parties are at fault and neither want to do anything about it.

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I don't agree, but this is not the thread for that debate.

You know what I mean. Until we get a third, viable alternative then the Republicans are the better choice.

Right now, there is literally no other choice at the national level.

The Libertarians are a clown car and Joe Lieberman's announced third political party died with him.

Is this accurate? I know the nuclear portion should probably be changed to "TBD" since theyre supposed to have a deal within 60 days or whatever

We need:

Term limits
No individual stock trading by politicians
Reverse Citizens United
Voter ID
Campaign finance reform
Ranked choice voting

No bias at all in that graph. lol.

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I thought it would take a little longer than 12 hours for the Trump can do 0 wrong crowd to come back from the embarrassment to try and defend their tough guy surrendering to the stock market Ponzi scheme but I shouldn't be surprised at this point.

Between loony toons Liberals and the Roll over Republicans this Country is so done for it ain't even funny.

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You packing your bags yet?

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Lol awkward for those saying this was bunk. Will crow be eaten?

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Guess not

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I'm still waiting for crow to be eaten on the ground war that Trump absolutely was going to do. There are a few on here who guaranteed it.

You know who you are.

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Yep. Love the liberal goaltenders.

"This war will never end." "Makings to be our Afghanistan."
"We're definitely sending in ground troops."

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Tbf though, that was when nobody really suspected Trump would renege on much of his stated war goals. Trump backed down, the situation changed, and ground troops are no longer needed for his….lets call them "revised" war goals.

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This will likely go down on the list of the biggest policy/war blunders.

Land war in Asia.
Invade Russia in winter
Vietnam
Maginot Line
Peace in Our Time
Japan at Midway - or getting the US involved by Pearl Harbor
Iraq War

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From a US perspective…I think this is worse than Iraq (we invaded and it's a stablish country) but still not as bad as Vietnam.

Probably the single biggest foreign policy blunder since Tonkin.

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Definitely NOT worse than Iraq. It would have been if we decided to further escalate. Minimal American lives lost, orders of magnitude less American money wasted, no "forever occupation". Like it or not, Iran currently IS a stable country. It's a stable regional enemy of another country, which is the problem.

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Appropriate we signed our surrender here…

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This is pure delusion.

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You may not like it, but it's not delusion. The US is a laughing stock right now…or at least Trump is. Unfortunately, China was watching. We should have never entered this nonsense.

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How is it possible to see the recent US policy vChina and come to this conclusion?

We just demonstrated that nothing China has built to defend itself is functional vs US in both Iran and Venezuela.
China has been kicked out of the W hemisphere
We control the China oil supply chain from both Venezuela and the Strait
China stepped back and forced Iran to negotiate....just like RU, they did not defend "their ally"

China now knows for certain they have no ability to project power against Taiwan

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So I disagree with this. At least based on what we have been able to see, China has weathered the diminished oil supply surprisingly well. They have actually done a good job building up a petroleum reserve. Additionally, they appear to have gone in quite heavily on solar, as well as electric vehicles. It was able to cut its petroleum imports by 40% without any substantial effect on its fuel supply or its economy. Again, at least based off what we can see publicly.

Now who knows how big their petroleum reserves are. If the US was looking at running dry in 4 weeks, and China was able to go 8 weeks, what does that mean?

Did China really force Iran to negotiate? Or was Iran already negotiating? I think from the beginning they said they'd stop shooting missiles at Israel and their neighbors if they stopped being bombed. And I don't really feel as though Iran really budged on any of its demands from early on. Everyone laughed at their demand for reparations, but now they're getting a 300 billion dollar reconstruction fund.

We can certainly project power and disrupt their supply lines, but it will affect us, and our allies as well. So it's not without a cost.

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ouch. the fact that "art of the deal" was ghostwritten by a rando and not trump is more self-evident than ever.

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Okay, but if those are actual facts, then, well, where's the "alternate facts" to show those facts, while, well factual, aren't "alternate" factual?

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I thought it would take a little longer than 12 hours for the Trump can do 0 wrong crowd to come back from the embarrassment to try and defend their tough guy surrendering to the stock market Ponzi scheme but I shouldn't be surprised at this point.

Between loony toons Liberals and the Roll over Republicans this Country is so done for it ain't even funny.

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You packing your bags yet?

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No and I recommend people don't pack anything up into what could appear to be boxes or pallets of cash or Trump might surrender those to Iran as well.

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Jarred probably has PE money in on box and pallet companies.
Has to pay for that new private island purchase.

JD Vance is warning Benjamin Netanyahu’s administration not to mess around with the United States, saying they may end up losing everything.

Vance says Trump is their last ally because the entire world already hates them.

"If I were in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I… pic.twitter.com/l3kRzQiov4

— Shadow of Ezra (@ShadowofEzra) June 18, 2026

No evidence yet, but I would bet dollars to pesos odds this clown was working in Democrat circles.

Yesterday, the US 🇺🇸 DOJ unsealed a five-count complaint charging Reda Mazen Rida Sabassi of California with fundraising for the Hamas terrorist organization.

Since 2022, Sabassi has used his charity The Arab Charity Foundation Inc. (Ikram) as well as social media and… pic.twitter.com/GG0qNpxgTZ

— Aleph א (@no_itsmyturn) June 18, 2026

surface level looking at your chart I see 2 lies in your first three Iran column points

The uranium is to be down blended and disposed/used of under IAEA supervision according to the MOU. Any further nuclear material for power generation etc. is also subject to 3rd party oversight.

Note that this is in the SDNY (despite the guy being 'from' San Diego), the position Trump demanded the NY Dem senators return a blue slip for US Atty prior to moving forward with the DNI nomination of the current office holder.

“From within the United States, Reda Sabassi is alleged to have solicited and diverted funds to the known foreign terrorist organization, Hamas, which committed the brutal October 7, 2023, massacre” said U.S. Attorney Jay Clayton for the Southern District of New York. “Hamas… https://t.co/f4e3KzHGPQ

— Angela Van Der Pluym (@anjewla90) June 17, 2026

Democrats do NOT want their islamofascist base to be put on blast publicly prior to the mid terms.

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VP Vance says that the MOU with Iran will not allow for nuclear enrichment, speaking to the press in the White House briefing room. "They have promised not to enrich."

The copy of the agreement released yesterday says that enrichment related to the country's 'nuclear needs' will…

— Amy Mackinnon (@ak_mack) June 18, 2026

Did they cross their heart, hope to die, stick a needle in their eye?

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Sooooo......that means we got that in writing then, yeah?

DeepETX_Aggie said:

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JD Vance is warning Benjamin Netanyahu’s administration not to mess around with the United States, saying they may end up losing everything.

Vance says Trump is their last ally because the entire world already hates them.

"If I were in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I… pic.twitter.com/l3kRzQiov4

— Shadow of Ezra (@ShadowofEzra) June 18, 2026

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Vance's arrogance is a liability at this point, not an asset. Nobody should mistake it as an adherence to American exceptionalism either, it's not. Israel has every right to ***** at this MOU. And should.

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surface level looking at your chart I see 2 lies in your first three Iran column points

The uranium is to be down blended and disposed/used of under IAEA supervision according to the MOU. Any further nuclear material for power generation etc. is also subject to 3rd party oversight.

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Beyond rows 2 and 3, the completely subjective and massively hyperbolic Geopolitical Risk row.

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DeepETX_Aggie said:

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JD Vance is warning Benjamin Netanyahu’s administration not to mess around with the United States, saying they may end up losing everything.

Vance says Trump is their last ally because the entire world already hates them.

"If I were in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I… pic.twitter.com/l3kRzQiov4

— Shadow of Ezra (@ShadowofEzra) June 18, 2026

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Vance's arrogance is a liability at this point, not an asset. Nobody should mistake it as an adherence to American exceptionalism either, it's not. Israel has every right to ***** at this MOU. And should.

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He's not wrong but agree Israel has right to ***** about it.

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japantiger said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Appropriate we signed our surrender here…

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This is pure delusion.

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You may not like it, but it's not delusion. The US is a laughing stock right now…or at least Trump is. Unfortunately, China was watching. We should have never entered this nonsense.

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How is it possible to see the recent US policy vChina and come to this conclusion?

We just demonstrated that nothing China has built to defend itself is functional vs US in both Iran and Venezuela.
China has been kicked out of the W hemisphere
We control the China oil supply chain from both Venezuela and the Strait
China stepped back and forced Iran to negotiate....just like RU, they did not defend "their ally"

China now knows for certain they have no ability to project power against Taiwan

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So I disagree with this. At least based on what we have been able to see, China has weathered the diminished oil supply surprisingly well. They have actually done a good job building up a petroleum reserve. Additionally, they appear to have gone in quite heavily on solar, as well as electric vehicles. It was able to cut its petroleum imports by 40% without any substantial effect on its fuel supply or its economy. Again, at least based off what we can see publicly.

Now who knows how big their petroleum reserves are. If the US was looking at running dry in 4 weeks, and China was able to go 8 weeks, what does that mean?

Did China really force Iran to negotiate? Or was Iran already negotiating? I think from the beginning they said they'd stop shooting missiles at Israel and their neighbors if they stopped being bombed. And I don't really feel as though Iran really budged on any of its demands from early on. Everyone laughed at their demand for reparations, but now they're getting a 300 billion dollar reconstruction fund.

We can certainly project power and disrupt their supply lines, but it will affect us, and our allies as well. So it's not without a cost.

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China has diversified their energy economy away from fossil fuels. Trump has done the opposite, he is using government power to shut down and stop PRIVATE solar and wind projects.

Trump is actively trying to make the US MORE dependent on fossil fuels by disrupting and blocking the non-fossil fuel economy in the US.

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Definitely. And to be honest, I'm not sure why, unless it's an intentional effort to spite/own the libs.

Even countries like Saudi Arabia are trying to diversify their energy and economy. I don't want to get too off topic from this thread being about Iran, but we might be creating problems years down the line but putting too many eggs in one basket.

bigtruckguy3500 said:

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shiftyandquick said:

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bigtruckguy3500 said:

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japantiger said:

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Queso1 said:

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bobbranco said:

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Appropriate we signed our surrender here…

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This is pure delusion.

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You may not like it, but it's not delusion. The US is a laughing stock right now…or at least Trump is. Unfortunately, China was watching. We should have never entered this nonsense.

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How is it possible to see the recent US policy vChina and come to this conclusion?

We just demonstrated that nothing China has built to defend itself is functional vs US in both Iran and Venezuela.
China has been kicked out of the W hemisphere
We control the China oil supply chain from both Venezuela and the Strait
China stepped back and forced Iran to negotiate....just like RU, they did not defend "their ally"

China now knows for certain they have no ability to project power against Taiwan

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So I disagree with this. At least based on what we have been able to see, China has weathered the diminished oil supply surprisingly well. They have actually done a good job building up a petroleum reserve. Additionally, they appear to have gone in quite heavily on solar, as well as electric vehicles. It was able to cut its petroleum imports by 40% without any substantial effect on its fuel supply or its economy. Again, at least based off what we can see publicly.

Now who knows how big their petroleum reserves are. If the US was looking at running dry in 4 weeks, and China was able to go 8 weeks, what does that mean?

Did China really force Iran to negotiate? Or was Iran already negotiating? I think from the beginning they said they'd stop shooting missiles at Israel and their neighbors if they stopped being bombed. And I don't really feel as though Iran really budged on any of its demands from early on. Everyone laughed at their demand for reparations, but now they're getting a 300 billion dollar reconstruction fund.

We can certainly project power and disrupt their supply lines, but it will affect us, and our allies as well. So it's not without a cost.

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China has diversified their energy economy away from fossil fuels. Trump has done the opposite, he is using government power to shut down and stop PRIVATE solar and wind projects.

Trump is actively trying to make the US MORE dependent on fossil fuels by disrupting and blocking the non-fossil fuel economy in the US.

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Definitely. And to be honest, I'm not sure why, unless it's an intentional effort to spite/own the libs.

Even countries like Saudi Arabia are trying to diversify their energy and economy. I don't want to get too off topic from this thread being about Iran, but we might be creating problems years down the line but putting too many eggs in one basket.

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If we aren't doing nuclear, then whatever mix we are doing without it is stupid and short-sighted. Wind and solar are supplemental at best for mainline energy production. We need to be diverting all funding from any solar or wind to nuclear and I don't think it's even arguable.

YouBet said:

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Eliminatus said:

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DeepETX_Aggie said:

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JD Vance is warning Benjamin Netanyahu’s administration not to mess around with the United States, saying they may end up losing everything.

Vance says Trump is their last ally because the entire world already hates them.

"If I were in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I… pic.twitter.com/l3kRzQiov4

— Shadow of Ezra (@ShadowofEzra) June 18, 2026

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Vance's arrogance is a liability at this point, not an asset. Nobody should mistake it as an adherence to American exceptionalism either, it's not. Israel has every right to ***** at this MOU. And should.

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He's not wrong but agree Israel has right to ***** about it.

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Of course they have a "right" too, and Vance has a "right" to push back on it