YouBetI'll go and try to find it when you admit you were wrong and simply eat crow on Trump's ground war that you are overtly ignoring for some reason. said:

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Why are you trying to change the subject? I am perfectly capable of using google to find the evidence for the claim you made, and there just doesn't seem to be any evidence. Hence why I am asking you.

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I'm not. I've been asking you for a few days now and you simply refuse to acknowledge you were wrong on that claim. Why can't you simply acknowledge you were wrong about Trump's Ground War?

I'll try to find the earlier posts on Lebanon.

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Thank you. As of this moment in time, I was wrong about the ground war. I made that claim a few months ago during a massive ground troop build up we were doing. It seems, at this moment in time, that a ground operation will not be happening, thank God. Delicious crow.

Now, I would really like evidence to support your claim that " Yes, as of this morning and you conveniently didn't reply until the President of Lebanon did a 180 on his position. Until today, they were working with Israel to help them purge Hez from Lebanon.'"

The official position of the Lebanese government is that they do not even recognize Israel as a state, have no diplomatic relations with them, and are technically at war with them. So your claim would be very interesting and groundbreaking, if true

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And thank you.

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[From March] Lebanese President Joseph Aoun offered to hold direct negotiations with Israel for the first time since the 1982 Israeli invasion during Lebanon's civil war. Aoun also asked for a boost in funding for Lebanese troops and reaffirmed his commitment to disarm Hezbollah, a longstanding Israeli and U.S. demand.

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Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.

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Right... dealing with Hezbolah, a terrorist organization lobbying bombs at civilian targets, is the problem...

There's no reason for that to ever be allowed to be part of the discussion. It's a complete win for Iran to try to legitimize and cement their terror proxies when they are being ripped out.

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Israel is currently invading and occupying territory in Lebanon and is bombing civilian targets in Beirut.

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They are literally working with the Lebanese government to get rid of Hezbollah. We all know where you get your propaganda from, so we can forego the "Israel targets civilians" garbage.

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Propoganda? Both Trump and Vance have criticized Israel for bombing civilian targets in the last 48 hours.

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So what? Trump and Vance don't get to tell Israel how best to defend themselves. This is 100% on Iran and their proxy in Hezbolla. They were given the orders by the Islamic regime to attack Israel to provoke a response to give them cover to break the memorandum. They will never deal in good faith.

And it's propaganda.

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Why would the US not tell Israel what to do? We literally pay for their entire military and give them all of their weapons. If we didn't subsidize their entire country, then I would agree we shouldn't tell them how to manage their business.

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BlackGold said:

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BlackGold said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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Keyno said:

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Keyno said:

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Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.

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Right... dealing with Hezbolah, a terrorist organization lobbying bombs at civilian targets, is the problem...

There's no reason for that to ever be allowed to be part of the discussion. It's a complete win for Iran to try to legitimize and cement their terror proxies when they are being ripped out.

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Israel is currently invading and occupying territory in Lebanon and is bombing civilian targets in Beirut.

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They are literally working with the Lebanese government to get rid of Hezbollah. We all know where you get your propaganda from, so we can forego the "Israel targets civilians" garbage.

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Propoganda? Both Trump and Vance have criticized Israel for bombing civilian targets in the last 48 hours.

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So what? Trump and Vance don't get to tell Israel how best to defend themselves. This is 100% on Iran and their proxy in Hezbolla. They were given the orders by the Islamic regime to attack Israel to provoke a response to give them cover to break the memorandum. They will never deal in good faith.

And it's propaganda.

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Why would the US not tell Israel what to do? We literally pay for their entire military and give them all of their weapons. If we didn't subsidize their entire country, then I would agree we shouldn't tell them how to manage their business.

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You do realize that the entire Iron Dome and the Arrow missiles are 100% Israeli developed, right?

So, not all their weapons...

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Developed using whose tax dollars? I believe that would be the American taxpayer's.

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BlackGold said:

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Ag with kids said:

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BlackGold said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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Keyno said:

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Phatbob said:

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Keyno said:

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Phatbob said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.

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Right... dealing with Hezbolah, a terrorist organization lobbying bombs at civilian targets, is the problem...

There's no reason for that to ever be allowed to be part of the discussion. It's a complete win for Iran to try to legitimize and cement their terror proxies when they are being ripped out.

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Israel is currently invading and occupying territory in Lebanon and is bombing civilian targets in Beirut.

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They are literally working with the Lebanese government to get rid of Hezbollah. We all know where you get your propaganda from, so we can forego the "Israel targets civilians" garbage.

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Propoganda? Both Trump and Vance have criticized Israel for bombing civilian targets in the last 48 hours.

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So what? Trump and Vance don't get to tell Israel how best to defend themselves. This is 100% on Iran and their proxy in Hezbolla. They were given the orders by the Islamic regime to attack Israel to provoke a response to give them cover to break the memorandum. They will never deal in good faith.

And it's propaganda.

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Why would the US not tell Israel what to do? We literally pay for their entire military and give them all of their weapons. If we didn't subsidize their entire country, then I would agree we shouldn't tell them how to manage their business.

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You do realize that the entire Iron Dome and the Arrow missiles are 100% Israeli developed, right?

So, not all their weapons...

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Developed using whose tax dollars? I believe that would be the American taxpayer's.

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YouBetI'll go and try to find it when you admit you were wrong and simply eat crow on Trump's ground war that you are overtly ignoring for some reason. said:

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Why are you trying to change the subject? I am perfectly capable of using google to find the evidence for the claim you made, and there just doesn't seem to be any evidence. Hence why I am asking you.

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I'm not. I've been asking you for a few days now and you simply refuse to acknowledge you were wrong on that claim. Why can't you simply acknowledge you were wrong about Trump's Ground War?

I'll try to find the earlier posts on Lebanon.

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Thank you. As of this moment in time, I was wrong about the ground war. I made that claim a few months ago during a massive ground troop build up we were doing. It seems, at this moment in time, that a ground operation will not be happening, thank God. Delicious crow.

Now, I would really like evidence to support your claim that " Yes, as of this morning and you conveniently didn't reply until the President of Lebanon did a 180 on his position. Until today, they were working with Israel to help them purge Hez from Lebanon.'"

The official position of the Lebanese government is that they do not even recognize Israel as a state, have no diplomatic relations with them, and are technically at war with them. So your claim would be very interesting and groundbreaking, if true

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And thank you.

Best I can do with my initial search:

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[From March] Lebanese President Joseph Aoun offered to hold direct negotiations with Israel for the first time since the 1982 Israeli invasion during Lebanon's civil war. Aoun also asked for a boost in funding for Lebanese troops and reaffirmed his commitment to disarm Hezbollah, a longstanding Israeli and U.S. demand.

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These talks have a strictly limited agenda. They are focused on the immediate conflict between Lebanon and Israel. The stated goal is a "cessation of hostilities," the release of hostages, the full withdrawal of Israeli troops, and establishing security zones for the Lebanese Armed Forces.

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YouBetI'll go and try to find it when you admit you were wrong and simply eat crow on Trump's ground war that you are overtly ignoring for some reason. said:

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Why are you trying to change the subject? I am perfectly capable of using google to find the evidence for the claim you made, and there just doesn't seem to be any evidence. Hence why I am asking you.

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I'm not. I've been asking you for a few days now and you simply refuse to acknowledge you were wrong on that claim. Why can't you simply acknowledge you were wrong about Trump's Ground War?

I'll try to find the earlier posts on Lebanon.

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Thank you. As of this moment in time, I was wrong about the ground war. I made that claim a few months ago during a massive ground troop build up we were doing. It seems, at this moment in time, that a ground operation will not be happening, thank God. Delicious crow.

Now, I would really like evidence to support your claim that " Yes, as of this morning and you conveniently didn't reply until the President of Lebanon did a 180 on his position. Until today, they were working with Israel to help them purge Hez from Lebanon.'"

The official position of the Lebanese government is that they do not even recognize Israel as a state, have no diplomatic relations with them, and are technically at war with them. So your claim would be very interesting and groundbreaking, if true

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And thank you.

Best I can do with my initial search:

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[From March] Lebanese President Joseph Aoun offered to hold direct negotiations with Israel for the first time since the 1982 Israeli invasion during Lebanon's civil war. Aoun also asked for a boost in funding for Lebanese troops and reaffirmed his commitment to disarm Hezbollah, a longstanding Israeli and U.S. demand.

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These talks have a strictly limited agenda. They are focused on the immediate conflict between Lebanon and Israel. The stated goal is a "cessation of hostilities," the release of hostages, the full withdrawal of Israeli troops, and establishing security zones for the Lebanese Armed Forces.

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And this is where the Israelis are rightly dubious. The Lebanese government hasn't been in control of jack squat in Southern Lebanon in decades - Hezbolla has been, at least until the Israelis went in and started taking them out. They have fired thousands of missiles into northern Israel at Israeli citizens until Israel said enough. Until the Lebanese government shows it actually has control and can provide security and maintain the deal, the Israelis are right to be wary of giving up control.

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for decades the USA has tried to strangle the Islamic Republic economically through sanctions, inflation, embargoes, shutting down their banking system

now we just have the Arabs give them 300 billion dollars

so they can pay the IRGC and their terrorist proxies around the world.

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BlackGold said:

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Ag with kids said:

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BlackGold said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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Keyno said:

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Phatbob said:

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Keyno said:

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Phatbob said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.

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Right... dealing with Hezbolah, a terrorist organization lobbying bombs at civilian targets, is the problem...

There's no reason for that to ever be allowed to be part of the discussion. It's a complete win for Iran to try to legitimize and cement their terror proxies when they are being ripped out.

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Israel is currently invading and occupying territory in Lebanon and is bombing civilian targets in Beirut.

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They are literally working with the Lebanese government to get rid of Hezbollah. We all know where you get your propaganda from, so we can forego the "Israel targets civilians" garbage.

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Propoganda? Both Trump and Vance have criticized Israel for bombing civilian targets in the last 48 hours.

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So what? Trump and Vance don't get to tell Israel how best to defend themselves. This is 100% on Iran and their proxy in Hezbolla. They were given the orders by the Islamic regime to attack Israel to provoke a response to give them cover to break the memorandum. They will never deal in good faith.

And it's propaganda.

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Why would the US not tell Israel what to do? We literally pay for their entire military and give them all of their weapons. If we didn't subsidize their entire country, then I would agree we shouldn't tell them how to manage their business.

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You do realize that the entire Iron Dome and the Arrow missiles are 100% Israeli developed, right?

So, not all their weapons...

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Developed using whose tax dollars? I believe that would be the American taxpayer's.

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LMCane said:

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for decades the USA has tried to strangle the Islamic Republic economically through sanctions, inflation, embargoes, shutting down their banking system

now we just have the Arabs give them 300 billion dollars

so they can pay the IRGC and their terrorist proxies around the world.

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🇮🇷"Pars 2" satellite on the verge of launch

The Minister of Communications announced plans for placing the "Pars 2" satellite into orbit and stated that the "Martyr Soleimani" satellite constellation will also be ready for launch by the end of the year.

Farsna pic.twitter.com/nlyt9igbqu

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Front row, from right: Majid Khademi (later killed in the second war while serving as head of the IRGC Intelligence Organization); Mohammad-Reza Shirazi (later killed in the second war while serving as head of Khamenei's military office); Hossein Salami (later killed in the 12-day war while serving as IRGC commander-in-chief); Ali Khamenei; Mohammad Bagheri (later killed in the 12-day war while serving as chief of staff of Iran's Armed Forces); Abdolrahim Mousavi (later killed in the second war after succeeding Bagheri as Armed Forces chief of staff); and Mohammad-Reza Gharaei Ashtiani (then defense minister).

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Mahmoud Reza Aghamiri, the president of Iran's Shahid Beheshti University and one of the Islamic Republic's prominent nuclear scientists, offered a rare glimpse into Tehran's calculus behind weaponization.

During an October 16 interview, he stated that the regime "has the capability and capacity to build a nuclear bomb" and added that Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei's religious declaration [against nuclear weapons] can change." When asked whether Iranian officials and nuclear scientists had ever considered building a nuclear weapon, he replied, "Certainly," explaining that the idea had crossed the minds of all scientists.

Aghamiri also said that if the Islamic Republic were ever to pursue a nuclear bomb, "it could do so in the best possible way," emphasizing that "the most important part of this process is enrichment." The issue of uranium enrichment and centrifuge capacity has indeed been the central impasse in the five rounds of TehranWashington negotiations in May, with both sides defining it as the ultimate red line.

Designated by the European Union, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and Switzerland for nuclear proliferation, Shahid Beheshti University has researched optimal centrifuge-cascade parameters, electrodialysis for extracting uranium from wastewater, criticality calculations for explosive compression of uranium spheres, and neutron generation, measurement, and transport modeling.

comments echo those of other regime officials from the past week, including Ali Shamkhani, the former head of Iran's Ministry of Defence and Armed Forces Logistics. Reflecting on his 1990s tenure as defense minister, Shamkhani said in an October 12 interview that if he could go back in time, he would build a nuclear bomb.

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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BlackGold said:

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Ag with kids said:

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BlackGold said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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Phatbob said:

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Keyno said:

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Phatbob said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.

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Right... dealing with Hezbolah, a terrorist organization lobbying bombs at civilian targets, is the problem...

There's no reason for that to ever be allowed to be part of the discussion. It's a complete win for Iran to try to legitimize and cement their terror proxies when they are being ripped out.

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Israel is currently invading and occupying territory in Lebanon and is bombing civilian targets in Beirut.

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They are literally working with the Lebanese government to get rid of Hezbollah. We all know where you get your propaganda from, so we can forego the "Israel targets civilians" garbage.

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Propoganda? Both Trump and Vance have criticized Israel for bombing civilian targets in the last 48 hours.

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So what? Trump and Vance don't get to tell Israel how best to defend themselves. This is 100% on Iran and their proxy in Hezbolla. They were given the orders by the Islamic regime to attack Israel to provoke a response to give them cover to break the memorandum. They will never deal in good faith.

And it's propaganda.

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Why would the US not tell Israel what to do? We literally pay for their entire military and give them all of their weapons. If we didn't subsidize their entire country, then I would agree we shouldn't tell them how to manage their business.

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You do realize that the entire Iron Dome and the Arrow missiles are 100% Israeli developed, right?

So, not all their weapons...

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Developed using whose tax dollars? I believe that would be the American taxpayer's.

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The vast majority of the money that Israel gets from us is spent DIRECTLY on US military equipment, not any of their stuff.


We all get it. You don't like Israel.

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Have to admire just how effective AIPAC is when I read delusion like this.

"Yes they are spending our taxes, but it comes back to us. Trust me bro."

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RangerRick9211 said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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BlackGold said:

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Ag with kids said:

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BlackGold said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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Keyno said:

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Phatbob said:

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Keyno said:

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Phatbob said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.

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Right... dealing with Hezbolah, a terrorist organization lobbying bombs at civilian targets, is the problem...

There's no reason for that to ever be allowed to be part of the discussion. It's a complete win for Iran to try to legitimize and cement their terror proxies when they are being ripped out.

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Israel is currently invading and occupying territory in Lebanon and is bombing civilian targets in Beirut.

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They are literally working with the Lebanese government to get rid of Hezbollah. We all know where you get your propaganda from, so we can forego the "Israel targets civilians" garbage.

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Propoganda? Both Trump and Vance have criticized Israel for bombing civilian targets in the last 48 hours.

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So what? Trump and Vance don't get to tell Israel how best to defend themselves. This is 100% on Iran and their proxy in Hezbolla. They were given the orders by the Islamic regime to attack Israel to provoke a response to give them cover to break the memorandum. They will never deal in good faith.

And it's propaganda.

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Why would the US not tell Israel what to do? We literally pay for their entire military and give them all of their weapons. If we didn't subsidize their entire country, then I would agree we shouldn't tell them how to manage their business.

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You do realize that the entire Iron Dome and the Arrow missiles are 100% Israeli developed, right?

So, not all their weapons...

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Developed using whose tax dollars? I believe that would be the American taxpayer's.

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The vast majority of the money that Israel gets from us is spent DIRECTLY on US military equipment, not any of their stuff.


We all get it. You don't like Israel.

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Have to admire just how effective AIPAC is when I read delusion like this.

"Yes they are spending our taxes, but it comes back to us. Trust me bro."

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No dog in this fight. Just genuinely looking for information, but I though nearly all of our aide to Israel was Foreign Military Financing (FMF) grants with US suppliers strings attached. I could be wrong, but it's pretty formal and not a "trust me bro."

Even the Iron Dome, they R&D the system/build it, but Raytheon makes the interceptors.

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Beef Cheek said:

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Has anyone noticed that almost all of our "intel" and assessments on Iran have been wrong? At least based on what we've been told/leaks. I am not sure how much of it was a psyop (either against Iran, or against the American public), but just think about it.

-The regime is ready to fall -> it wasn't
-The Kurds are going to act as ground forces -> they seemed pretty content sitting this out
-The Iranian people are ready to rise up -> they clearly aren't willing or able
-The government killed 40k/60k/90k (pick a number) - there is no evidence of this
-Take out the supreme leader and other leaders and their command and control will collapse -> they decentralized everything
-We've destroyed 80%, then 90% of their drones/missiles/launchers -> latest estimates claim they still have up to 70% of missile stockpiles and launchers
-We have complete air dominance - we didn't
-Iran can't survive a blockade for more than a week -> they can
-Iran will run out of room to store their oil -> they didn't
-Probably more I can't think of off the top of my head

I've heard that the CIA isn't as well positioned in Iran as it is in other countries. But this isn't really to point out that our intel services were wrong, so much to point out that we shouldn't trust the propaganda we are being fed.

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It's almost like the administration has been lying

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K2-HMFIC said:

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RangerRick9211 said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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BlackGold said:

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Ag with kids said:

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BlackGold said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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Keyno said:

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Phatbob said:

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Keyno said:

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Phatbob said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.

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Right... dealing with Hezbolah, a terrorist organization lobbying bombs at civilian targets, is the problem...

There's no reason for that to ever be allowed to be part of the discussion. It's a complete win for Iran to try to legitimize and cement their terror proxies when they are being ripped out.

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Israel is currently invading and occupying territory in Lebanon and is bombing civilian targets in Beirut.

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They are literally working with the Lebanese government to get rid of Hezbollah. We all know where you get your propaganda from, so we can forego the "Israel targets civilians" garbage.

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Propoganda? Both Trump and Vance have criticized Israel for bombing civilian targets in the last 48 hours.

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So what? Trump and Vance don't get to tell Israel how best to defend themselves. This is 100% on Iran and their proxy in Hezbolla. They were given the orders by the Islamic regime to attack Israel to provoke a response to give them cover to break the memorandum. They will never deal in good faith.

And it's propaganda.

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Why would the US not tell Israel what to do? We literally pay for their entire military and give them all of their weapons. If we didn't subsidize their entire country, then I would agree we shouldn't tell them how to manage their business.

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You do realize that the entire Iron Dome and the Arrow missiles are 100% Israeli developed, right?

So, not all their weapons...

---

Developed using whose tax dollars? I believe that would be the American taxpayer's.

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The vast majority of the money that Israel gets from us is spent DIRECTLY on US military equipment, not any of their stuff.


We all get it. You don't like Israel.

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Have to admire just how effective AIPAC is when I read delusion like this.

"Yes they are spending our taxes, but it comes back to us. Trust me bro."

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No dog in this fight. Just genuinely looking for information, but I though nearly all of our aide to Israel was Foreign Military Financing (FMF) grants with US suppliers strings attached. I could be wrong, but it's pretty formal and not a "trust me bro."

Even the Iron Dome, they R&D the system/build it, but Raytheon makes the interceptors.

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FMF does low interest loans with the requirement they buy US made equipment and then pay us back.

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