RangerRick9211 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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BlackGold said:

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Ag with kids said:

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BlackGold said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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Keyno said:

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Phatbob said:

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Keyno said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.

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Right... dealing with Hezbolah, a terrorist organization lobbying bombs at civilian targets, is the problem...

There's no reason for that to ever be allowed to be part of the discussion. It's a complete win for Iran to try to legitimize and cement their terror proxies when they are being ripped out.

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Israel is currently invading and occupying territory in Lebanon and is bombing civilian targets in Beirut.

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They are literally working with the Lebanese government to get rid of Hezbollah. We all know where you get your propaganda from, so we can forego the "Israel targets civilians" garbage.

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Propoganda? Both Trump and Vance have criticized Israel for bombing civilian targets in the last 48 hours.

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So what? Trump and Vance don't get to tell Israel how best to defend themselves. This is 100% on Iran and their proxy in Hezbolla. They were given the orders by the Islamic regime to attack Israel to provoke a response to give them cover to break the memorandum. They will never deal in good faith.

And it's propaganda.

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Why would the US not tell Israel what to do? We literally pay for their entire military and give them all of their weapons. If we didn't subsidize their entire country, then I would agree we shouldn't tell them how to manage their business.

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You do realize that the entire Iron Dome and the Arrow missiles are 100% Israeli developed, right?

So, not all their weapons...

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Developed using whose tax dollars? I believe that would be the American taxpayer's.

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The vast majority of the money that Israel gets from us is spent DIRECTLY on US military equipment, not any of their stuff.


We all get it. You don't like Israel.

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Have to admire just how effective AIPAC is when I read delusion like this.

"Yes they are spending our taxes, but it comes back to us. Trust me bro."

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No dog in this fight. Just genuinely looking for information, but I though nearly all of our aide to Israel was Foreign Military Financing (FMF) grants with US suppliers strings attached. I could be wrong, but it's pretty formal and not a "trust me bro."

Even the Iron Dome, they R&D the system/build it, but Raytheon makes the interceptors.

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Watch out...they don't like facts that don't make Israel bad...

U.S. Homeland Security Secretary on Fox News: Iran tried to smuggle IRGC members into the U.S. as part of their World Cup team.

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) June 21, 2026

If true, we should have banned their team

YouBet said:

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Queso1 said:

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Yet it's ok to question any government other than that government.

I object to my tax dollars supporting genocide and the murder of civilians. I've been to Israel and the people are wonderful.

The gravy train is just about over and will dry up completely once the Fox News boomers die out.

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I have zero allegiance to Israel other than the practical viewpoint that they are a better option than the alternative.

But, I guess the genocide myth is taking hold on F16 now. Wild.

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The Tucker Carlson is strong in some of them...

The other thing happening here is that Iran has shifted focus of these talks to being about Lebanon and not their nuclear ambitions.

So, they are creating an issue to shift the talks to. Just toying with us at this point.

YouBet said:

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The other thing happening here is that Iran has shifted focus of these talks to being about Lebanon and not their nuclear ambitions.

So, they are creating an issue to shift the talks to. Just toying with us at this point.

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Well, Lebanon was always part of the MOU leading to talks. They're trying not to sell out their ally. The problem is that we made a promise in the MOU on behalf of Israel that Israel has no intention of following through on.

bigtruckguy3500 said:

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YouBet said:

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The other thing happening here is that Iran has shifted focus of these talks to being about Lebanon and not their nuclear ambitions.

So, they are creating an issue to shift the talks to. Just toying with us at this point.

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Well, Lebanon was always part of the MOU leading to talks. They're trying not to sell out their ally. The problem is that we made a promise in the MOU on behalf of Israel that Israel has no intention of following through on.

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That's an interesting way to put it when in reality Hez (a terrorist group) keeps attacking Israel and Israel responds because Iran knows they will.

Iran is manipulating that situation and using this as leverage because they know Trump is desperate to off ramp.

Just to be clear, I'm not in favor of bombing Iran's civilians. I was trying to point out winning tactically does not automatically mean winning strategically. I should have worded it better.

As you know, Pyrrhic victories abound throughout the long history of war.

Where things currently stand, Trump's war gamble was poorly strategized.

His supporters argue otherwise and point to the tactical victories. They have a legitimate point. Those tactical successes do count and do matter.

But strategic victory / strategic failure also matters.

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Just to be clear, I'm not in favor of bombing Iran's civilians. I was trying to point out winning tactically does not automatically mean winning strategically. I should have worded it better.

As you know, Pyrrhic victories abound throughout the long history of war.

Where things currently stand, Trump's war gamble was poorly strategized.

His supporters argue otherwise and point to the tactical victories. They have a legitimate point. Those tactical successes do count and do matter.

But strategic victory / strategic failure also matters.

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I agree with this.

Unfortunately, Iran put the US in a position with their nuclear program that was going to have to be taken care of at some point.

Leaving us and the world with a bunch of bad choices...

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I still don't understand how this is the case.

Per Trump their highly enriched uranium was unreachable except by Us or China. What was the imminent threat?

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Where did I use the term "imminent"?

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YouBet said:

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The other thing happening here is that Iran has shifted focus of these talks to being about Lebanon and not their nuclear ambitions.

So, they are creating an issue to shift the talks to. Just toying with us at this point.

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Well, Lebanon was always part of the MOU leading to talks. They're trying not to sell out their ally. The problem is that we made a promise in the MOU on behalf of Israel that Israel has no intention of following through on.

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please explain why it is just Israel that is not allowed to defend itself. Hezbollah keeps tossing missiles hoping the US will eventually not back Israel right to defend itself. You are being dishonest when it is framed as an Israel only issue n Lebanon

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U.S. Homeland Security Secretary on Fox News: Iran tried to smuggle IRGC members into the U.S. as part of their World Cup team.

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) June 21, 2026

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To infiltrate and attack?

So why attack then? Were they going to develop the mining infrastructure without notice? It sounds like the original reason: Israel attacked and we joined

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The other thing happening here is that Iran has shifted focus of these talks to being about Lebanon and not their nuclear ambitions.

So, they are creating an issue to shift the talks to. Just toying with us at this point.

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That's actually not quite correct. There are no talks happening at all currently. The MOU was basically a formalization of our "ceasefire" with Iran which has been ongoing for a few months now. During which, there would be a 60 day timeframe where these nuclear talks would resume. But according to the MOU, they cannot resume unless the ceasefire holds between Israel and Lebanon.

Keyno - it is not Israel and Lebanon. It is Israel and Iran forces in Lebanon. There is a difference.

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BMX Bandit said:

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U.S. Homeland Security Secretary on Fox News: Iran tried to smuggle IRGC members into the U.S. as part of their World Cup team.

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) June 21, 2026

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To infiltrate and attack?

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I mean if they are this brazen under Trump, imagine what they did under Biden. Imagine.

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BMX Bandit said:

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U.S. Homeland Security Secretary on Fox News: Iran tried to smuggle IRGC members into the U.S. as part of their World Cup team.

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) June 21, 2026

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To infiltrate and attack?

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My guess is the IRGC members they tried to get in are prominent high ranking types that wanted to use their influence to get a front row seat at the world cup. They were added as "support staff" and luckily we caught them and didn't allow those corrupt bozos in to our country.

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During which, there would be a 60 day timeframe where these nuclear talks would resume. But according to the MOU, they cannot resume unless the ceasefire holds between Israel and Lebanon.

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this is literally an iranian talking point.


crazy how the same people that told us netanyhu controls Trump and got him to fight this war now expect Trump to stop Israel from defending itself against terrorist attacks originating from hezbollah in lebanon.

Most of the USSR hockey team boxers etc were all officers in Soviet Army not uncommon for military dictatorships to put high value civilians into the officer corps. Better nutrition, better training, and good PR if the sports heroes are also in the military

yeah thats it. the USSR and islamic republic of iran put military there for training purposes. thats it.




not sure if naive or duplicitoius

Keyno said:

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YouBet said:

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The other thing happening here is that Iran has shifted focus of these talks to being about Lebanon and not their nuclear ambitions.

So, they are creating an issue to shift the talks to. Just toying with us at this point.

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That's actually not quite correct. There are no talks happening at all currently. The MOU was basically a formalization of our "ceasefire" with Iran which has been ongoing for a few months now. During which, there would be a 60 day timeframe where these nuclear talks would resume. But according to the MOU, they cannot resume unless the ceasefire holds between Israel and Lebanon.

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Both can be true. And it is correct. Iran had shifted the initial talks to Lebanon and away from the nuclear question to the chagrin of our negotiation teams. And then walked out over Trump's social media comments about attacking them if they didn't restrain Hez. It's public knowledge and reported thusly, yesterday.

Keyno said:

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YouBet said:

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The other thing happening here is that Iran has shifted focus of these talks to being about Lebanon and not their nuclear ambitions.

So, they are creating an issue to shift the talks to. Just toying with us at this point.

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That's actually not quite correct. There are no talks happening at all currently. The MOU was basically a formalization of our "ceasefire" with Iran which has been ongoing for a few months now. During which, there would be a 60 day timeframe where these nuclear talks would resume. But according to the MOU, they cannot resume unless the ceasefire holds between Israel and Lebanon.

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Appreciate the IRGC press release.

Subsequent to your post and after Iran calmed down the talks resumed.

If you didn't invest in the MIC on Feb 29th this year you missed the boat.

Tis true using weapons means you have to make more. Something Biden wasn't so wise about when he abandoned billions in Talibanland and then double down shipping billions more Ukraine.

But ignore all that, it's Trump enriching his friends and depleting our stores.

The Hate America Party is quite predictable these days.

In Vance's presser today, he speaks of positive progress on getting nuclear inspectors back into Iran, and that it's going to take a 'lot of work' and they have already 'reached out to inspectors'.

To save time, watch them do a cut and paste of the nuclear inspection provisions in the JCPOA. That one took years to negotiate. Jared and Witkoff and Vance will pull it off in 2 days. Trump will claim how great the deal is.

I think it will be more than the IAEA inspectors sending a group WhatsApp message to the IRGC asking what they are up to on enrichment and then just taking whatever response as a completed "inspection".

flown-the-coop said:

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If you didn't invest in the MIC on Feb 29th this year you missed the boat.

Tis true using weapons means you have to make more. Something Biden wasn't so wise about when he abandoned billions in Talibanland and then double down shipping billions more Ukraine.

But ignore all that, it's Trump enriching his friends and depleting our stores.

The Hate America Party is quite predictable these days.

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Lol we're still shipping billions to Ukraine, I guess Trump and Biden aren't so different after all

PaulsBunions said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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If you didn't invest in the MIC on Feb 29th this year you missed the boat.

Tis true using weapons means you have to make more. Something Biden wasn't so wise about when he abandoned billions in Talibanland and then double down shipping billions more Ukraine.

But ignore all that, it's Trump enriching his friends and depleting our stores.

The Hate America Party is quite predictable these days.

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Lol we're still shipping billions to Ukraine, I guess Trump and Biden aren't so different after all

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Last time Trump tried to reduce any aid to Ukraine he was impeached. And believe he still tried and was told no.

AGHouston11 said:

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AggieCVQ said:

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I still don't understand how this is the case.

Per Trump their highly enriched uranium was unreachable except by Us or China. What was the imminent threat?

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Good luck getting anyone to explain this clearly including the president. Then if you hear an explanation it often changes.
Even the definition of imminent is a moving target when it comes to this.

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Needs another star.

BMX Bandit said:

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During which, there would be a 60 day timeframe where these nuclear talks would resume. But according to the MOU, they cannot resume unless the ceasefire holds between Israel and Lebanon.

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this is literally an iranian talking point.


crazy how the same people that told us netanyhu controls Trump and got him to fight this war now expect Trump to stop Israel from defending itself against terrorist attacks originating from hezbollah in lebanon.

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Not really sure I'm following the logic on this. If you think Bibi does what he wants and he doesn't want this "peace deal" then maybe expects is not the right word. Trump can wish but unless he's going to do more than that Bibi is going to do whatever he wants to do.

Also at this point of time isn't Bibi occupying part of Lebanon. Not really seeing how that really is going to bring about a resolution from the US side of things.

When this first began if the objective was complete unconditional surrender and full regime change in Iran then the US and Bibi could have both been satisfied in an end point. Now that is clearly not going to happen it's hard to see anything that happens where Bibi is going to be satisfied with leaving Trump with no off ramp.

Trump now has two people that don't want to ever make a "deal"!
Iran and the ally we entered this war over.