Keyno said:

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Keyno said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.

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Right... dealing with Hezbolah, a terrorist organization lobbying bombs at civilian targets, is the problem...

There's no reason for that to ever be allowed to be part of the discussion. It's a complete win for Iran to try to legitimize and cement their terror proxies when they are being ripped out.

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Israel is currently invading and occupying territory in Lebanon and is bombing civilian targets in Beirut.

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They are literally working with the Lebanese government to get rid of Hezbollah. We all know where you get your propaganda from, so we can forego the "Israel targets civilians" garbage.

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Propoganda? Both Trump and Vance have criticized Israel for bombing civilian targets in the last 48 hours.

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So what? Trump and Vance don't get to tell Israel how best to defend themselves. This is 100% on Iran and their proxy in Hezbolla. They were given the orders by the Islamic regime to attack Israel to provoke a response to give them cover to break the memorandum. They will never deal in good faith.

And it's propaganda.

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You are legitimizing the strategy of hiding behind human shields.That is exactly why this problem has existed for generations. Blaming Israel for not putting up with that anymore when it is literally an existential issue for them is very telling.

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Well at least we have moved on from "Israel is not bombing civilian targets" to "Here is why Israel is bombing civilian targets". That was quick

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Again, it's not a "civilian target" if it's where Hezbollah is staging military assets. Stop falling for their propaganda.

They are not strictly civilian targets is the point. That is the entire strategy behind Iranian proxies in the area, to build military targets in and under civilians, to say "I'll shoot at you, but there is no way to shoot back at me without my kids in the way". That's not targeting civilians

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"you people" are the people that push Hamas lies and Iran talking points.

again, you immediately jump to Bibi sabotaging this and ignore that Hezbollah already has. Why is that? we already know, so don't bother with the spin.

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Not trusting Bibi isn't Iranian propaganda.
And you can go back to ignoring Bibi's past actions Trump has expressed displeasure over.

So basically if the deal is not in Israel's best interests it's ok if Bibi sabotages it because it's in his best interest. I disagree. It's not ok.

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You are so anti-Israel that now you are just blatantly lying. I don't care if you hate Israel, but Hez keeps attacking Israel first and then you say that Bibi is the one sabotaging this entire time? Really?

You can't be objective and acknowledge facts and the truth now?

YouBet said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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"you people" are the people that push Hamas lies and Iran talking points.

again, you immediately jump to Bibi sabotaging this and ignore that Hezbollah already has. Why is that? we already know, so don't bother with the spin.

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Not trusting Bibi isn't Iranian propaganda.
And you can go back to ignoring Bibi's past actions Trump has expressed displeasure over.

So basically if the deal is not in Israel's best interests it's ok if Bibi sabotages it because it's in his best interest. I disagree. It's not ok.

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You are so anti-Israel that now you are just blatantly lying. I don't care if you hate Israel, but Hez keeps attacking Israel first and then you say that Bibi is the one sabotaging this entire time? Really?

You can't be objective and acknowledge facts and the truth now?

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Again my comments were about the pattern throughout and Trumps comments. So Trump's lying.

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YouBet said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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"you people" are the people that push Hamas lies and Iran talking points.

again, you immediately jump to Bibi sabotaging this and ignore that Hezbollah already has. Why is that? we already know, so don't bother with the spin.

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Not trusting Bibi isn't Iranian propaganda.
And you can go back to ignoring Bibi's past actions Trump has expressed displeasure over.

So basically if the deal is not in Israel's best interests it's ok if Bibi sabotages it because it's in his best interest. I disagree. It's not ok.

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You are so anti-Israel that now you are just blatantly lying. I don't care if you hate Israel, but Hez keeps attacking Israel first and then you say that Bibi is the one sabotaging this entire time? Really?

You can't be objective and acknowledge facts and the truth now?

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Again my comments were about the pattern throughout and Trumps comments. So Trump's lying.

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So, you have no pattern recognition of Iran/Hez attacking Israel first, multiple times now? Bibi is calling Hez and asking them to attack Israel in order to sabotage this whole deal? That is your premise here?

Keyno said:

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Phatbob said:

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Keyno said:

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Phatbob said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.

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Right... dealing with Hezbolah, a terrorist organization lobbying bombs at civilian targets, is the problem...

There's no reason for that to ever be allowed to be part of the discussion. It's a complete win for Iran to try to legitimize and cement their terror proxies when they are being ripped out.

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Israel is currently invading and occupying territory in Lebanon and is bombing civilian targets in Beirut.

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They are literally working with the Lebanese government to get rid of Hezbollah. We all know where you get your propaganda from, so we can forego the "Israel targets civilians" garbage.

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Propoganda? Both Trump and Vance have criticized Israel for bombing civilian targets in the last 48 hours.

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What about Lebanon wanting Israel there to purge Hez? That's public knowledge from Lebanese leaders. They want Hez out.

The gaslighting on this thread is reaching new heights. I'm not even that big of a supporter of Israel, but there is no reason for all of the lying that is happening this morning on here.

Well, it was fun while it lasted!

Iran declares the Strait of Hormuz closed again after US lifts blockade https://t.co/tlT6JKehC5 pic.twitter.com/Mm12uOadZg

— New York Post (@nypost) June 19, 2026

At this point I'm having a tough time imagining that Trump WASN'T replaced with a body double while in China.

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At this point I'm having a tough time imagining that Trump WASN'T replaced with a body double while in China.

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Sometimes makes you wonder. Must have been some damn good egg rolls and fortune cookies that Xi fed him.

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Keyno said:

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Phatbob said:

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Keyno said:

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Phatbob said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.

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Right... dealing with Hezbolah, a terrorist organization lobbying bombs at civilian targets, is the problem...

There's no reason for that to ever be allowed to be part of the discussion. It's a complete win for Iran to try to legitimize and cement their terror proxies when they are being ripped out.

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Israel is currently invading and occupying territory in Lebanon and is bombing civilian targets in Beirut.

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They are literally working with the Lebanese government to get rid of Hezbollah. We all know where you get your propaganda from, so we can forego the "Israel targets civilians" garbage.

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Propoganda? Both Trump and Vance have criticized Israel for bombing civilian targets in the last 48 hours.

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So what? Trump and Vance don't get to tell Israel how best to defend themselves. This is 100% on Iran and their proxy in Hezbolla. They were given the orders by the Islamic regime to attack Israel to provoke a response to give them cover to break the memorandum. They will never deal in good faith.

And it's propaganda.

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The issue seems to be what is defined as "defend".

And since when does the US not get to decide? We interject at will in many countries.

When we are paying for their "defense" then yes the US does and should decide. Remove that and they can decide ever how they want to.

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Israel pays for plenty of it's defensive capability. They are by far our best ally in the region, and they have put their manpower, machinery, and citizens at risk to help us with Iran. They get to decide how to best defend themselves. Period. Just like we do.

You conveniently ignored that they were attacked by Hezbolla first, and Israel was the one responding. If Iran doesn't want Israel to go into Lebanon, then call off the proxies. It isn't complicated. But we both know that's not what they want.

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AGHouston11 said:

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YouBet said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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"you people" are the people that push Hamas lies and Iran talking points.

again, you immediately jump to Bibi sabotaging this and ignore that Hezbollah already has. Why is that? we already know, so don't bother with the spin.

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Not trusting Bibi isn't Iranian propaganda.
And you can go back to ignoring Bibi's past actions Trump has expressed displeasure over.

So basically if the deal is not in Israel's best interests it's ok if Bibi sabotages it because it's in his best interest. I disagree. It's not ok.

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You are so anti-Israel that now you are just blatantly lying. I don't care if you hate Israel, but Hez keeps attacking Israel first and then you say that Bibi is the one sabotaging this entire time? Really?

You can't be objective and acknowledge facts and the truth now?

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Again my comments were about the pattern throughout and Trumps comments. So Trump's lying.

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So, you have no pattern recognition of Iran/Hez attacking Israel first, multiple times now? Bibi is calling Hez and asking them to attack Israel in order to sabotage this whole deal? That is your premise here?

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I have no idea nor does anyone else know exactly what Bibi does.
Like his efforts to flow money into Gaza via Qatar. The details vary according to who is explaining it.

But Trump has been critical of his "defensive" actions.

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They are not strictly civilian targets is the point. That is the entire strategy behind Iranian proxies in the area, to build military targets in and under civilians, to say "I'll shoot at you, but there is no way to shoot back at me without my kids in the way". That's not targeting civilians

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Yeah there plenty of civilian targets destroyed with no assets, weapons, or fighters in them. There is also a civilian cost to target ratio that most countries including the US to try minimize that Israel cares much less for. I know quite a few people in the area.

AGHouston11 said:

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YouBet said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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YouBet said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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"you people" are the people that push Hamas lies and Iran talking points.

again, you immediately jump to Bibi sabotaging this and ignore that Hezbollah already has. Why is that? we already know, so don't bother with the spin.

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Not trusting Bibi isn't Iranian propaganda.
And you can go back to ignoring Bibi's past actions Trump has expressed displeasure over.

So basically if the deal is not in Israel's best interests it's ok if Bibi sabotages it because it's in his best interest. I disagree. It's not ok.

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You are so anti-Israel that now you are just blatantly lying. I don't care if you hate Israel, but Hez keeps attacking Israel first and then you say that Bibi is the one sabotaging this entire time? Really?

You can't be objective and acknowledge facts and the truth now?

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Again my comments were about the pattern throughout and Trumps comments. So Trump's lying.

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So, you have no pattern recognition of Iran/Hez attacking Israel first, multiple times now? Bibi is calling Hez and asking them to attack Israel in order to sabotage this whole deal? That is your premise here?

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I have no idea nor does anyone else know exactly what Bibi does.
Like his efforts to flow money into Gaza via Qatar. The details vary according to who is explaining it.

But Trump has been critical of his "defensive" actions.

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Trump wants out of this. Of course he's critical. He wants Bibi to take these attacks and do nothing about it so we can move on. And this is all irrelevant to the claim you made.

So, it does sound like you are going down the conspiracy theory path of Bibi somehow engineering Hez attacks to sabotage the deal. Wild stuff, man.

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Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.

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Bibi does seem to like being a sort of spoiler, or spoiled entitled brat, and especially since he is said to have gotten Trump to attack Iran.

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You're advocating for killing civilians and becoming a terrorist state? Some of y'all had lost the plot.

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Outside of maga, what you said is being said about Israel daily, if not hourly, even by Jews throughout the world.

Or were you already talking about Israel? Honest question.

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At this point I'm having a tough time imagining that Trump WASN'T replaced with a body double while in China.

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Temu Trump

Isn't he under threat of indictment?

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Isn't he under threat of indictment?

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Trump or Bibi? Why not both applies here.

Netanyahu

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An L of an Ag said:

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At this point I'm having a tough time imagining that Trump WASN'T replaced with a body double while in China.

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Lol!

Rocky, can you do something with this?

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Netanyahu

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Gosh, you are so coy. Yes, he's under indictment, which you know, and his political position is extremely tenuous after this "deal" was struck. He's likely done after this.

So, you are on the conspiracy train that he's engineered Hez attacks as well? Does Iran actually love Israel and they are just puppets of Bibi?

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They are not strictly civilian targets is the point. That is the entire strategy behind Iranian proxies in the area, to build military targets in and under civilians, to say "I'll shoot at you, but there is no way to shoot back at me without my kids in the way". That's not targeting civilians

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Yeah there plenty of civilian targets destroyed with no assets, weapons, or fighters in them. There is also a civilian cost to target ratio that most countries including the US to try minimize that Israel cares much less for. I know quite a few people in the area.

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You mean like the "journalists" and "UN representatives", those kind of civilians?

No like regular damn people.

Iran closes the Strait again, citing Israel's occupation of Lebanon and continuing US force presence in the region.

Tehran's recognition that it can hold the world economy at risk likely means this will be an on and off again strategy well into the future.

The law of unintended consequences is in full play as a result of this war.

BLACKMAIL

< 4 weeks. Tick tock. Fill your tanks now

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No like regular damn people.

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To people like ys, they're regular people, but if they're brown, Muslim, non ultra maga, they're not really seen in the same lens (humanity, decency, compassion, etc.) that the rest of the world sees them.

Sad, but not untrue.

So honest question on Israel - Lebanon attacks ( and I think I know the answer). All the MSM reports are about Israel's daily offensives that are killing the deal. A very small portion of the news discusses it as Israel responding to hezbella (sp) drone / missile attacks. Is Israel just defending itself, is Lebanon just defending itself or is it just ongoing war with constant exchanges

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No bias at all in that graph. lol.

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First its a table, but I understand how things like facts in that form might upset you. What BIAS are you seeing or care to dispute or just. "I hate these facts in this graph so it must be biased"?

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< 4 weeks. Tick tock. Fill your tanks now

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But the deal was signed in Versailles. History was made. There's no way it can fail.

Also, filling up tank like crazy cause, well...

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Do you think Trump understood the innuendo with it being in Versailles?