Once again an example of Trump trying too hard with sarcasm and saying things he should keep in his head…

…while at the same time others overreacting on the opposite side of the spectrum trying to be psychologists and frame it as the walls are closing in.

Both things can be true and we'll still be ok.

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Rockdoc said:

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That's why these threads are started. So the haters can all get on here and rant.

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This thread was started because this is a strange message on a war that was partly sold as freeing the Iranian people.

If we are blasting Iran back to the Stone Age let's nuke that mountain bunker and not ***** foot around with it any longer.

Taking out civilian infrastructure to win the hearts and minds of 90 million people most likely won't be successful and the US taxpayer will be paying to rebuild it anyway.

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Iran has lots of oil that can be sold to rebuild.

Obviously you have forgotten the lesson of Iraq

Once you lose control and looters destroy valuable equipment for example a 50hp electric to get $25 worth of copper that is Inside
The rebuild becomes very complicated

Queso1 said:

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It looks like Trump is losing it. He's been backed into a corner. Somebody dropped the ball on the Iranian military structure. All we do is brag about "oh we killed this guy today" but they keep striking back. It's clearly not working and he knows this is destroying his legacy.

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don't forget "we obliterated their navy and air force" (half a dozen fishing boats and some crop dusters)

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Obviously you have forgotten the lesson of Iraq

Once you lose control and looters destroy valuable equipment for example a 50hp electric to get $25 worth of copper that is Inside
The rebuild becomes very complicated

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That has nothing to do with who funds the rebuild.

Trump's position this morning, according to 'sources', is that he believes all oil in Iran now belongs to the United States. The answer will land somewhere in the middle but using their oil to help them rebuild, recover and ideally to pay us back for some airplanes and munitions expended. Pipe dreams for sure, but pipes and oil go hand in hand.

flown-the-coop said:

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Take it to the Trump's Dementia (sorry Diminished Mental Capacity) Thread and post your evidence of this decline.

Personally, my observation is that both his intellect and his elbows are sharpening. Beware.

BTW, from Grok+:

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Diminished mental capacity in older people is most commonly referred to in medical contexts as dementia (when severe enough to interfere with daily life) or mild cognitive impairment (MCI) (when milder and not yet disrupting independence).

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Cool we can call it MCI if you're more comfortable with that verbiage.

With only moderate respect, you're not seeing what others are seeing.

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91_Aggie said:

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I cannot fathom how anyone can listen to Trumps speeches, press conferences, etc and come away with "yes, this man is a smart man who knows exactly what he is doing".

And his supporters can't even be doing something as complex as mental gymnastics when the only two reasons they can come up with for him is either "he's owning his opponents with trolling" or "he's playing 4D chess that his opponents can't understand"

Sometimes it's just the simple answer in that he only cares about his self-aggrandizement and enriching himself (along with the obvious dementia).

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Dumb. As someone who dealt directly with dementia for years in our family, you don't know what you are talking about.

Just because Trump says bombastic things doesn't mean he has dementia. This is who he is and he's been this way for decades.

Just so desperate to try and equate him back to Biden who clearly had/has cognitive decline.

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You do know there are different levels of dementia, right? There isn't a scale of Zero dementia, everything is fine Or 100% full blown not there

To believe it is that binary would be as you said "dumb"

flown-the-coop said:

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Take it to the Trump's Dementia (sorry Diminished Mental Capacity) Thread and post your evidence of this decline.

Personally, my observation is that both his intellect and his elbows are sharpening. Beware.

BTW, from Grok+:

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Diminished mental capacity in older people is most commonly referred to in medical contexts as dementia (when severe enough to interfere with daily life) or mild cognitive impairment (MCI) (when milder and not yet disrupting independence).

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My MIL has MCI and it is shocking how fast that turns into dementia. I know it when I see it. It's really difficult to deal with. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

[Enough trolling. Take a break -- Staff]

tysker said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Take it to the Trump's Dementia (sorry Diminished Mental Capacity) Thread and post your evidence of this decline.

Personally, my observation is that both his intellect and his elbows are sharpening. Beware.

BTW, from Grok+:

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Diminished mental capacity in older people is most commonly referred to in medical contexts as dementia (when severe enough to interfere with daily life) or mild cognitive impairment (MCI) (when milder and not yet disrupting independence).

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Cool we can call it MCI if you're more comfortable with that verbiage.

With only moderate respect, you're not seeing what others are seeing.

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It's at least somewhat more accurate (if you can prove it - feel free to).

It's simply TDS and/or frustration with his style to claim dementia.

YouBet said:

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91_Aggie said:

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I cannot fathom how anyone can listen to Trumps speeches, press conferences, etc and come away with "yes, this man is a smart man who knows exactly what he is doing".

And his supporters can't even be doing something as complex as mental gymnastics when the only two reasons they can come up with for him is either "he's owning his opponents with trolling" or "he's playing 4D chess that his opponents can't understand"

Sometimes it's just the simple answer in that he only cares about his self-aggrandizement and enriching himself (along with the obvious dementia).

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Dumb. As someone who dealt directly with dementia for years in our family, you don't know what you are talking about.

Just because Trump says bombastic things doesn't mean he has dementia. This is who he is and he's been this way for decades.

Just so desperate to try and equate him back to Biden who clearly had/has cognitive decline.

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I'm dealing with a father with severe diminished cognitive abilities. There's no use in a formal diagnosis because the cancer will kill him before it makes a difference.

Sure Trump says lots of bombastic and spews plenty of BS but clearly his tone and ability has changed over the last few years.

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YouBet said:

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91_Aggie said:

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I cannot fathom how anyone can listen to Trumps speeches, press conferences, etc and come away with "yes, this man is a smart man who knows exactly what he is doing".

And his supporters can't even be doing something as complex as mental gymnastics when the only two reasons they can come up with for him is either "he's owning his opponents with trolling" or "he's playing 4D chess that his opponents can't understand"

Sometimes it's just the simple answer in that he only cares about his self-aggrandizement and enriching himself (along with the obvious dementia).

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Dumb. As someone who dealt directly with dementia for years in our family, you don't know what you are talking about.

Just because Trump says bombastic things doesn't mean he has dementia. This is who he is and he's been this way for decades.

Just so desperate to try and equate him back to Biden who clearly had/has cognitive decline.

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You do know there are different levels of dementia, right? There isn't a scale of Zero dementia, everything is fine Or 100% full blown not there

To believe it is that binary would be as you said "dumb"

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Wasn't claiming it was binary as I'm pretty well versed in it. Since you are the one claiming he "obviously" has dementia, then logically you are saying he's closer to the 100% end of the scale.

You might need to check your own TDS because I think you may be on the heavily afflicted end of that scale.

He's always been a bombastic, bull in the china shop person.

His posts seem more out there than usual because he damn well knows he's running out of time with this operation. He has until end of month to get this thing wrapped up plus the longer it goes the less public support he will have. It baffles me why everyone just keeps ignoring that reality.

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91_Aggie said:

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I cannot fathom how anyone can listen to Trumps speeches, press conferences, etc and come away with "yes, this man is a smart man who knows exactly what he is doing".

And his supporters can't even be doing something as complex as mental gymnastics when the only two reasons they can come up with for him is either "he's owning his opponents with trolling" or "he's playing 4D chess that his opponents can't understand"

Sometimes it's just the simple answer in that he only cares about his self-aggrandizement and enriching himself (along with the obvious dementia).

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Dumb. As someone who dealt directly with dementia for years in our family, you don't know what you are talking about.

Just because Trump says bombastic things doesn't mean he has dementia. This is who he is and he's been this way for decades.

Just so desperate to try and equate him back to Biden who clearly had/has cognitive decline.

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I'm dealing with a father with severe diminished cognitive abilities. There's no use in a formal diagnosis because the cancer will kill him before it makes a difference.

Sure Trump says lots of bombastic and spews plenty of BS but clearly his tone and ability has changed over the last few years.

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His tone hasn't changed.

His ability has changed?? Honestly don't even know what that means. How have you come to assess that? His ability to do what exactly?

YouBet said:

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tysker said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Take it to the Trump's Dementia (sorry Diminished Mental Capacity) Thread and post your evidence of this decline.

Personally, my observation is that both his intellect and his elbows are sharpening. Beware.

BTW, from Grok+:

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Diminished mental capacity in older people is most commonly referred to in medical contexts as dementia (when severe enough to interfere with daily life) or mild cognitive impairment (MCI) (when milder and not yet disrupting independence).

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Cool we can call it MCI if you're more comfortable with that verbiage.

With only moderate respect, you're not seeing what others are seeing.

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It's at least somewhat more accurate (if you can prove it - feel free to).

It's simply TDS and/or frustration with his style to claim dementia.

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I lived in NYC for over a decade working on trading desks. My wife did Big Law. My wife and I cuss like ****ing sailors. The language and style doesn't phase me one bit. It's the messaging and context. I'm aware enough to differentiate.

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tysker said:

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YouBet said:

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91_Aggie said:

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I cannot fathom how anyone can listen to Trumps speeches, press conferences, etc and come away with "yes, this man is a smart man who knows exactly what he is doing".

And his supporters can't even be doing something as complex as mental gymnastics when the only two reasons they can come up with for him is either "he's owning his opponents with trolling" or "he's playing 4D chess that his opponents can't understand"

Sometimes it's just the simple answer in that he only cares about his self-aggrandizement and enriching himself (along with the obvious dementia).

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Dumb. As someone who dealt directly with dementia for years in our family, you don't know what you are talking about.

Just because Trump says bombastic things doesn't mean he has dementia. This is who he is and he's been this way for decades.

Just so desperate to try and equate him back to Biden who clearly had/has cognitive decline.

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I'm dealing with a father with severe diminished cognitive abilities. There's no use in a formal diagnosis because the cancer will kill him before it makes a difference.

Sure Trump says lots of bombastic and spews plenty of BS but clearly his tone and ability has changed over the last few years.

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His tone hasn't changed.

His ability has changed?? Honestly don't even know what that means. How have you come to assess that? His ability to do what exactly?

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He stumbled on a ramp once in his first term.

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91_Aggie said:

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YouBet said:

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91_Aggie said:

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I cannot fathom how anyone can listen to Trumps speeches, press conferences, etc and come away with "yes, this man is a smart man who knows exactly what he is doing".

And his supporters can't even be doing something as complex as mental gymnastics when the only two reasons they can come up with for him is either "he's owning his opponents with trolling" or "he's playing 4D chess that his opponents can't understand"

Sometimes it's just the simple answer in that he only cares about his self-aggrandizement and enriching himself (along with the obvious dementia).

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Dumb. As someone who dealt directly with dementia for years in our family, you don't know what you are talking about.

Just because Trump says bombastic things doesn't mean he has dementia. This is who he is and he's been this way for decades.

Just so desperate to try and equate him back to Biden who clearly had/has cognitive decline.

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You do know there are different levels of dementia, right? There isn't a scale of Zero dementia, everything is fine Or 100% full blown not there

To believe it is that binary would be as you said "dumb"

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Wasn't claiming it was binary as I'm pretty well versed in it. Since you are the one claiming he "obviously" has dementia, then logically you are saying he's closer to the 100% end of the scale.

You might need to check your own TDS because I think you may be on the heavily afflicted end of that scale.

He's always been a bombastic, bull in the china shop person.

His posts seem more out there than usual because he damn well knows he's running out of time with this operation. He has until end of month to get this thing wrapped up plus the longer it goes the less public support he will have. It baffles me why everyone just keeps ignoring that reality.

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Exactly. You never said or implied it is binary, that's a strawman. But somehow that poster has concluded Trump "obviously" has dementia based on some nebulous scale that only he can assess.

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tysker said:

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91_Aggie said:

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I cannot fathom how anyone can listen to Trumps speeches, press conferences, etc and come away with "yes, this man is a smart man who knows exactly what he is doing".

And his supporters can't even be doing something as complex as mental gymnastics when the only two reasons they can come up with for him is either "he's owning his opponents with trolling" or "he's playing 4D chess that his opponents can't understand"

Sometimes it's just the simple answer in that he only cares about his self-aggrandizement and enriching himself (along with the obvious dementia).

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Dumb. As someone who dealt directly with dementia for years in our family, you don't know what you are talking about.

Just because Trump says bombastic things doesn't mean he has dementia. This is who he is and he's been this way for decades.

Just so desperate to try and equate him back to Biden who clearly had/has cognitive decline.

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I'm dealing with a father with severe diminished cognitive abilities. There's no use in a formal diagnosis because the cancer will kill him before it makes a difference.

Sure Trump says lots of bombastic and spews plenty of BS but clearly his tone and ability has changed over the last few years.

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His tone hasn't changed.

His ability has changed?? Honestly don't even know what that means. How have you come to assess that? His ability to do what exactly?

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Did you watch his speech two weeks ago? The guy has lost a step or two.

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It looks like Trump is losing it. He's been backed into a corner. Somebody dropped the ball on the Iranian military structure. All we do is brag about "oh we killed this guy today" but they keep striking back. It's clearly not working and he knows this is destroying his legacy.

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TACO

We'll see. The post reminds me of the drunken angry little ma that towers over you while your sitting down and then tucks tail when you stand up and a she realizes he's already lost the fight.

Iran already beat the US and Trump knows he's lost. It's a really bad situation he's gotten himself in. He looks completely out of control.

tysker said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Take it to the Trump's Dementia (sorry Diminished Mental Capacity) Thread and post your evidence of this decline.

Personally, my observation is that both his intellect and his elbows are sharpening. Beware.

BTW, from Grok+:

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Diminished mental capacity in older people is most commonly referred to in medical contexts as dementia (when severe enough to interfere with daily life) or mild cognitive impairment (MCI) (when milder and not yet disrupting independence).

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Cool we can call it MCI if you're more comfortable with that verbiage.

With only moderate respect, you're not seeing what others are seeing.

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It's at least somewhat more accurate (if you can prove it - feel free to).

It's simply TDS and/or frustration with his style to claim dementia.

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I lived in NYC for over a decade working on trading desks. My wife did Big Law. My wife and I cuss like ****ing sailors. The language and style doesn't phase me one bit. It's the messaging and context. I'm aware enough to differentiate.

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See my post above. Once you factor the political and legal realities and the timeline with known deadline for current events, then his messaging and context make more sense.

Y'all are ignoring reality around him.

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Queso1 said:

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It looks like Trump is losing it. He's been backed into a corner. Somebody dropped the ball on the Iranian military structure. All we do is brag about "oh we killed this guy today" but they keep striking back. It's clearly not working and he knows this is destroying his legacy.

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don't forget "we obliterated their navy and air force" (half a dozen fishing boats and some crop dusters)

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How many sorties did the Iranian Air Force fly against the US and Israel?

YouBet said:

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tysker said:

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YouBet said:

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tysker said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Take it to the Trump's Dementia (sorry Diminished Mental Capacity) Thread and post your evidence of this decline.

Personally, my observation is that both his intellect and his elbows are sharpening. Beware.

BTW, from Grok+:

Quote:

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Diminished mental capacity in older people is most commonly referred to in medical contexts as dementia (when severe enough to interfere with daily life) or mild cognitive impairment (MCI) (when milder and not yet disrupting independence).

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Cool we can call it MCI if you're more comfortable with that verbiage.

With only moderate respect, you're not seeing what others are seeing.

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It's at least somewhat more accurate (if you can prove it - feel free to).

It's simply TDS and/or frustration with his style to claim dementia.

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I lived in NYC for over a decade working on trading desks. My wife did Big Law. My wife and I cuss like ****ing sailors. The language and style doesn't phase me one bit. It's the messaging and context. I'm aware enough to differentiate.

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See my post above. Once you factor the political and legal realities and the timeline with known deadline for current events, then his messaging and context make more sense.

Y'all are ignoring reality around him.

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What political realities and timelines do you mean?

91_Aggie said:

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I cannot fathom how anyone can listen to Trumps speeches, press conferences, etc and come away with "yes, this man is a smart man who knows exactly what he is doing".

And his supporters can't even be doing something as complex as mental gymnastics when the only two reasons they can come up with for him is either "he's owning his opponents with trolling" or "he's playing 4D chess that his opponents can't understand"

Sometimes it's just the simple answer in that he only cares about his self-aggrandizement and enriching himself (along with the obvious dementia).

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You'll find that most of his supporters realize he rambles incoherently at times, almost in a braggart, New York businessman fashion for some reason, not in a butt kissing politician way that people expect from such people. I shake my head at times that he won't STFU, but it's just the nature of the beast - always has been.

It's like when an abused housewife says, "Well, I thought he'd change…"

And, if anybody ran against Trump but Kamala, we not be putting up with his increasing crap…

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In fairness, it is the same God across the Abrahamic faiths. The worship is different but it's the same God.

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Only one lives today. The others are still in the grave.

Logos Stick said:

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Sq 17 said:

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Obviously you have forgotten the lesson of Iraq

Once you lose control and looters destroy valuable equipment for example a 50hp electric to get $25 worth of copper that is Inside
The rebuild becomes very complicated

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That has nothing to do with who funds the rebuild.

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If the infrastructure is destroyed the Oil can not be turned into cash
Venezuela oil infrastructure is in such disrepair the multi national oil companies said "no thanks" when given the opportunity to manage their Oil reserves

Seems likely after widespread bombing, destruction of the electric grid, followed by looting and rioting

the Iranian oil Infrastructure will be worse than VZ

Not to mention the locals will be more hostile to the invading forces

tysker said:

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tysker said:

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YouBet said:

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tysker said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Take it to the Trump's Dementia (sorry Diminished Mental Capacity) Thread and post your evidence of this decline.

Personally, my observation is that both his intellect and his elbows are sharpening. Beware.

BTW, from Grok+:

Quote:

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Diminished mental capacity in older people is most commonly referred to in medical contexts as dementia (when severe enough to interfere with daily life) or mild cognitive impairment (MCI) (when milder and not yet disrupting independence).

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Cool we can call it MCI if you're more comfortable with that verbiage.

With only moderate respect, you're not seeing what others are seeing.

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It's at least somewhat more accurate (if you can prove it - feel free to).

It's simply TDS and/or frustration with his style to claim dementia.

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I lived in NYC for over a decade working on trading desks. My wife did Big Law. My wife and I cuss like ****ing sailors. The language and style doesn't phase me one bit. It's the messaging and context. I'm aware enough to differentiate.

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See my post above. Once you factor the political and legal realities and the timeline with known deadline for current events, then his messaging and context make more sense.

Y'all are ignoring reality around him.

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What political realities and timelines do you mean?

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Proving my point.

Legal: He had 60 days when he started this to get it done. He requires Congress to go any further as of around May 1. I realize many on here do not want to acknowledge that reality and/or think it doesn't mean anything, but his timelines and frequent comments about wrapping this up are directly in line with that 60 days.

Political: the populace can turn on you on a dime when it comes to war making and he could (already has?) hampered mid-term chances for R's.

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91_Aggie said:

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I cannot fathom how anyone can listen to Trumps speeches, press conferences, etc and come away with "yes, this man is a smart man who knows exactly what he is doing".

And his supporters can't even be doing something as complex as mental gymnastics when the only two reasons they can come up with for him is either "he's owning his opponents with trolling" or "he's playing 4D chess that his opponents can't understand"

Sometimes it's just the simple answer in that he only cares about his self-aggrandizement and enriching himself (along with the obvious dementia).

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You'll find that most of his supporters realize he rambles incoherently at times, almost in a braggart, New York businessman fashion for some reason, not in a butt kissing politician way that people expect from such people. I shake my head at times that he won't STFU, but it's just the nature of the beast - always has been.

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The problem is that it is not just "at times" but all the time. Seriously, go watch that entire 1 hour speech he gave the other day that White House took down quickly.

Try in that entire 1 hour speech something that is not rambling. .

Or watch his 2-3 minute digression on black sharpies with almost real gold lettering on it.