91_Aggie said:

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B-1 83 said:

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91_Aggie said:

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I cannot fathom how anyone can listen to Trumps speeches, press conferences, etc and come away with "yes, this man is a smart man who knows exactly what he is doing".

And his supporters can't even be doing something as complex as mental gymnastics when the only two reasons they can come up with for him is either "he's owning his opponents with trolling" or "he's playing 4D chess that his opponents can't understand"

Sometimes it's just the simple answer in that he only cares about his self-aggrandizement and enriching himself (along with the obvious dementia).

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You'll find that most of his supporters realize he rambles incoherently at times, almost in a braggart, New York businessman fashion for some reason, not in a butt kissing politician way that people expect from such people. I shake my head at times that he won't STFU, but it's just the nature of the beast - always has been.

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The problem is that it is not just "at times" but all the time. Seriously, go watch that entire 1 hour speech he gave the other day that White House took down quickly.

Try in that entire 1 hour speech something that is not rambling. .

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He always rambles. He's famous for it.

Did you ever watch any of his stand up routines (speeches) way back in his first term? He would ramble for literally 2-3 hours at events.

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Rockdoc said:

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That's why these threads are started. So the haters can all get on here and rant.

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This thread was started because this is a strange message on a war that was partly sold as freeing the Iranian people.

If we are blasting Iran back to the Stone Age let's nuke that mountain bunker and not ***** foot around with it any longer.

Taking out civilian infrastructure to win the hearts and minds of 90 million people most likely won't be successful and the US taxpayer will be paying to rebuild it anyway.

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If Trump has his way we will loan money to Iran to rebuild and they pay us back in oil money. Freedom isn't free. Things cost, mane.

Oh and we charge a toll thru the Strait on those nancy Western European countries.

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The only thing I can say now is "If Biden, Obama or Kamala were in office and did this same exact thing how would you react?"

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I would have much less confidence in success, that's for sure.

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You either play to win or don't, we are in this and I'd like to win. Trump has always said crazy stuff on occasion, I don't know why people are clutching pearls unless they hate Trump more than they hate their country. It's a binary choice, you either support Trump and the US Military in trying to stop a terrorist regime or you support the Democrats and those who would like us to lose. Pick a side.

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Nice use of the False Dilemma bad faith Debate tactic

Those are not the only two options here

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Actually they are. We are in the middle of a conflict and we have soldiers in harm's way. Either you support the President and the soldiers in achieving success in that or you don't. Make no mistake the Democrats and the enemies of America want you to spend time going against Trump. It is that simple. I remember all too well talking to my Dad about the 3 tours he did in Vietnam and how the criticism on the homefront was why we managed to win every battle but lose the war. Who benefitted in the end?

BTW, I don't like the post either but sometimes you have to choose which side you are on.

Those issues are simply a matter of timing, not who ultimately pays. No different than Iraq.

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tysker said:

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91_Aggie said:

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I cannot fathom how anyone can listen to Trumps speeches, press conferences, etc and come away with "yes, this man is a smart man who knows exactly what he is doing".

And his supporters can't even be doing something as complex as mental gymnastics when the only two reasons they can come up with for him is either "he's owning his opponents with trolling" or "he's playing 4D chess that his opponents can't understand"

Sometimes it's just the simple answer in that he only cares about his self-aggrandizement and enriching himself (along with the obvious dementia).

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Dumb. As someone who dealt directly with dementia for years in our family, you don't know what you are talking about.

Just because Trump says bombastic things doesn't mean he has dementia. This is who he is and he's been this way for decades.

Just so desperate to try and equate him back to Biden who clearly had/has cognitive decline.

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I'm dealing with a father with severe diminished cognitive abilities. There's no use in a formal diagnosis because the cancer will kill him before it makes a difference.

Sure Trump says lots of bombastic and spews plenty of BS but clearly his tone and ability has changed over the last few years.

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His tone hasn't changed.

His ability has changed?? Honestly don't even know what that means. How have you come to assess that? His ability to do what exactly?

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Did you watch his speech two weeks ago? The guy has lost a step or two.

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He gaggles with reporters several times a day, travels quite frequently and by all accounts keeps an insane schedule for a 49 year old, much less a 79 year old.

BetterNotBeChipKelly said:

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YouBet said:

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BetterNotBeChipKelly said:

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The only thing I can say now is "If Biden, Obama or Kamala were in office and did this same exact thing how would you react?"

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I would have much less confidence in success, that's for sure.

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I'm sure you would be completely levelheaded about Obama saying "Praise to be Allah" in any context.

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He would really mean it.

BetterNotBeChipKelly said:

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The only thing I can say now is "If Biden, Obama or Kamala were in office and did this same exact thing how would you react?"

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Well, I'd fully expect Obama to praise Allah, so...

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You either play to win or don't, we are in this and I'd like to win. Trump has always said crazy stuff on occasion, I don't know why people are clutching pearls unless they hate Trump more than they hate their country. It's a binary choice, you either support Trump and the US Military in trying to stop a terrorist regime or you support the Democrats and those who would like us to lose. Pick a side.

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Nice use of the False Dilemma bad faith Debate tactic

Those are not the only two options here

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Actually they are. We are in the middle of a conflict and we have soldiers in harm's way. Either you support the President and the soldiers in achieving success in that or you don't. Make no mistake the Democrats and the enemies of America want you to spend time going against Trump. It is that simple. I remember all too well talking to my Dad about the 3 tours he did in Vietnam and how the criticism on the homefront was why we managed to win every battle but lose the war. Who benefitted in the end?

BTW, I don't like the post either but sometimes you have to choose which side you are on.

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BetterNotBeChipKelly said:

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The only thing I can say now is "If Biden, Obama or Kamala were in office and did this same exact thing how would you react?"

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Well, I'd fully expect Obama to praise Allah, so...

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Obama isn't a Muslim. He's an atheist. Nobody loves Islam more than atheists.

We are about 20 years since W, Rummy & Cheney went into Iraq
JMHO Iraq is still a mess and the US has not received any significant revenue from Iraqi oil
Before you say Obama Biden.
Trump has also been president in the interim

Not sure Iraq is the example I would use to illustrate how this is going to work out in the long run

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BetterNotBeChipKelly said:

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The only thing I can say now is "If Biden, Obama or Kamala were in office and did this same exact thing how would you react?"

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I would have much less confidence in success, that's for sure.

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I'm sure you would be completely levelheaded about Obama saying "Praise to be Allah" in any context.

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I wasn't as clear on this earlier in thread (or maybe another one), but Trump's Praise Allah statement makes me a little nauseous. I condemn that and do not support it.

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This is what happens when you don't listen to your own intelligence and follow the lead of another country who only has their best interests in mind.

When it sounds like John Boltek is in charge it's probably time to reevaluate.

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IsREEEEEEEEEal!!!!

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He's not well. Each rant is getting more unhinged and seems to be going into the dark place.

I had to go check his account to verify that this was indeed a real "truth."

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Thank God he's your President.

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Praise be to this who voted for and still support this delusional individual we have at the moment as "president".
This individual is a stain and a shame on ALL of us, whether you accept it or not. Maybe someday soon, those who have been deceived will come to realize the cold hard fact that this person is, and always will be, a complete idiot!

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Rockdoc said:

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He's not well. Each rant is getting more unhinged and seems to be going into the dark place.

I had to go check his account to verify that this was indeed a real "truth."

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Thank God he's your President.

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Praise be to this who voted for and still support this delusional individual we have at the moment as "president".
This individual is a stain and a shame on ALL of us, whether you accept it or not. Maybe someday soon, those who have been deceived will come to realize the cold hard fact that this person is, and always will be, a complete idiot!

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And, yet, he's still better than anyone your side would put up.

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91_Aggie said:

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You either play to win or don't, we are in this and I'd like to win. Trump has always said crazy stuff on occasion, I don't know why people are clutching pearls unless they hate Trump more than they hate their country. It's a binary choice, you either support Trump and the US Military in trying to stop a terrorist regime or you support the Democrats and those who would like us to lose. Pick a side.

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Nice use of the False Dilemma bad faith Debate tactic

Those are not the only two options here

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Actually they are. We are in the middle of a conflict and we have soldiers in harm's way. Either you support the President and the soldiers in achieving success in that or you don't. Make no mistake the Democrats and the enemies of America want you to spend time going against Trump. It is that simple. I remember all too well talking to my Dad about the 3 tours he did in Vietnam and how the criticism on the homefront was why we managed to win every battle but lose the war. Who benefitted in the end?

BTW, I don't like the post either but sometimes you have to choose which side you are on.

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There's a lot of truth in this. The problem is our own government and the people sending troops to foreign conflicts are often only half committed and you never win that way. I'd argue it's the worst position to take. If you are going to make the decision to jump into foreign conflicts then you have to make the decision going in that your legacy be damned. You are doing it because you believe it's right and you fully commit, ignoring the political winds. Most politicians don't have the stomach for this.

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Legal: He had 60 days when he started this to get it done. He requires Congress to go any further as of around May 1. I realize many on here do not want to acknowledge that reality and/or think it doesn't mean anything, but his timelines and frequent comments about wrapping this up are directly in line with that 60 days.

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Mark Levin declared the War Powers Act of 1973 "unconstitutional" and criticized lawmakers who cited it as a reason to support a similar resolution passed Thursday in the House of Representatives as an intended check on President Trump's power to take military action. | Fox News…

— Mark R. Levin (@marklevinshow) January 3, 2026

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It looks like Trump is losing it. He's been backed into a corner. Somebody dropped the ball on the Iranian military structure. All we do is brag about "oh we killed this guy today" but they keep striking back. It's clearly not working and he knows this is destroying his legacy.

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don't forget "we obliterated their navy and air force" (half a dozen fishing boats and some crop dusters)

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How many sorties did the Iranian Air Force fly against the US and Israel?

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We bombed North Vietnam back to the Stone Age. How many sorties did they fly against us? Yet we still lost, and that loss defined a generation.

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LOTS. Russian pilots were even flying for N Vietnam, and LBJ wouldn't even let us attack their airfields. You might want to look that one up - it's hardy the "gottcha " you think it is.

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aggie93 said:

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aggie93 said:

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You either play to win or don't, we are in this and I'd like to win. Trump has always said crazy stuff on occasion, I don't know why people are clutching pearls unless they hate Trump more than they hate their country. It's a binary choice, you either support Trump and the US Military in trying to stop a terrorist regime or you support the Democrats and those who would like us to lose. Pick a side.

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Nice use of the False Dilemma bad faith Debate tactic

Those are not the only two options here

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Actually they are. We are in the middle of a conflict and we have soldiers in harm's way. Either you support the President and the soldiers in achieving success in that or you don't. Make no mistake the Democrats and the enemies of America want you to spend time going against Trump. It is that simple. I remember all too well talking to my Dad about the 3 tours he did in Vietnam and how the criticism on the homefront was why we managed to win every battle but lose the war. Who benefitted in the end?

BTW, I don't like the post either but sometimes you have to choose which side you are on.

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So tell me what is the victory condition here in Iran that would satisfy you and how many American soldiers dying are acceptable for that military victory condition.

We can pull out now. That's a third option that supports the troops

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91_Aggie said:

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91_Aggie said:

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I cannot fathom how anyone can listen to Trumps speeches, press conferences, etc and come away with "yes, this man is a smart man who knows exactly what he is doing".

And his supporters can't even be doing something as complex as mental gymnastics when the only two reasons they can come up with for him is either "he's owning his opponents with trolling" or "he's playing 4D chess that his opponents can't understand"

Sometimes it's just the simple answer in that he only cares about his self-aggrandizement and enriching himself (along with the obvious dementia).

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You'll find that most of his supporters realize he rambles incoherently at times, almost in a braggart, New York businessman fashion for some reason, not in a butt kissing politician way that people expect from such people. I shake my head at times that he won't STFU, but it's just the nature of the beast - always has been.

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The problem is that it is not just "at times" but all the time. Seriously, go watch that entire 1 hour speech he gave the other day that White House took down quickly.

Try in that entire 1 hour speech something that is not rambling. .

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He always rambles. He's famous for it.

Did you ever watch any of his stand up routines (speeches) way back in his first term? He would ramble for literally 2-3 hours at events.

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So how do you take anything seriously if he is never serious. How do ever take away "well, I really trust this guy. He clearly states his policies and explains exactly how they will benefit the American people" when he never does that?

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1. He's still better than any Democrat that received or will get their nomination. FTR, I wanted Desantis as POTUS, but that didn't happen.

2. I mostly ignore his social media commentary and focus on what he does. Much of what he says is either bluster or planned feints to confuse people. It's hard to tell which is which so I generally just skate over it. Only time I even see any of it is on here, anyway.

Dude isn't remotely perfect and has done some dumb **** I disagree with and have noted as such on here many times. But, he's still much better than the alternative and since we live in a two party system that runs on Prisoner Dilemma there isn't much to do about that.

We are going to make the downfall of Rome look like child's play.

Sell your stocks.

The "praise be to allah" line is very weird. Could have done without that.


And for the heretics out there, the Christian God, the one true God does not tell us to kill infidels. "Allah" of Islam is a false god, no matter what people claim.

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We are going to make the downfall of Rome look like child's play.

Sell your stocks.

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When you post things like this, it's a sure sign to go buy.

FWTXAg said:

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We are going to make the downfall of Rome look like child's play.

Sell your stocks.

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You first. Are you planning to do this tomorrow? Please post on B&I so we can track your performance.

I will always side with America regardless of who is in office, and we should play to win.

But in the context of this entire thread, what we have here is a sovereign nation fighting against a street gang.

If leaving the region now makes it better for America (and the world), let's roll. If we need to turn Iran to glass before we leave, I'm good with that too.

TDS is real. I'm truly embarrassed for you if you are clueless enough to think that was his Easter message.

Anyone with active brain cells and a tiny bit of situational comprehension, knows that it was a threat to Iranian leaders, with a carrot for the Iranians who want their oppressors gone.

The profanity was unnecessary, but unfortunately that's how people communicate in the instant social media age.

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FWTXAg said:

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We are going to make the downfall of Rome look like child's play.

Sell your stocks.

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When you post things like this, it's a sure sign to go buy.

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You're probably right, it's all centrally controlled. No worries, it's just going to make the crash all the worse.

When you see how stupid the President that America overwhelmingly elected is we have to ask ourself, how stupid are we? Our founding fathers wouldn't claim us.

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FWTXAg said:

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When you see how stupid the President that America overwhelmingly elected is we have to ask ourself, how stupid are we? Our founding fathers wouldn't claim us.

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But enough about Joe Biden.

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Now imagine Kamala...