Why can't we just stay the hell out of the situation? They hate us for our actions. Have a strong defense. Swiftly and violently realiate to any attack against Americans. Don't be part of the imperialism of a certain "ally" of the region. That is why they hate us.

And don't give me the crap about how it is in their religion to kill non-Muslims. The other side has it too. They preach that gentiles are nothing but beasts put on earth to serve them. Killing us is not a crime.

We got no business being over there on either side. Not another American life lost... Don't give two cares about what happens to the two main sides in the conflict.

No Spin Ag said:

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Iran says they will fill their power plants etc. with children.

UN chief says that means you can't bomb.
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/trump-iran-deadline-israel-hormuz-april-7

I know, who cares?

But can the GOP take the pressure "bombing children" would create in the US. I say no, the GOP has already shown it is feckless.

Will be an interesting day.

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Would special forces be able to take the military in these facilities out, even with them having children in them?

I ask because, if they could, that would be another option to be done first. Then once that's done, and the kids are safe, bomb TF out of the facility.

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I think the objective is to make Iran go dark for the short term, not to bomb them back to the stone age. At least at this point. Maybe that will change. I also think that all this talk about power plants is probably a case of misdirection from the real targets.

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Feckless? I'm allllll for striking Iran…. But I'm feckless for not being okay with CHILDREN being dead? I know in a heartbeat they would kill an American child…. But if they load the children… innocent children into a power plant… I'd have a really hard time pulling that trigger.

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War is not for everbody. Nothing wrong with being a Quaker.

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CDUB98 said:

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Joe Deertay said:

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Feckless? I'm allllll for striking Iran…. But I'm feckless for not being okay with CHILDREN being dead? I know in a heartbeat they would kill an American child…. But if they load the children… innocent children into a power plant… I'd have a really hard time pulling that trigger.

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War is not for everbody. Nothing wrong with being a Quaker.

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Oh, I'm no Quaker, for sure, but a civilized person (nation) with modern technology has to draw a line somewhere when taking in the totality of the current situation.

This discussion would make Lindsey Graham, Mark Levin, and John Bolten very happy!

The threat to use children is bad for Iran. Sure it might make us pause but this is like red meat to a wild animal Isreal will strike. Also I wonder if using kids will get Israel to join the ground war.

I think we're all falling for the head fake...We might be rolling out the EMP weapons or god knows what to damage their infrastructure

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It' not like the target is a school. How many chikdren are working the powerplants? The question is not what kind of leader takes out a target loaded with children, but what kind of leader loads the target with children in the first place.
As far as taking out infrastructure, humans survived for centuries without electricity. They'll be fine.

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Do you honestly believe your last sentence? It's unbelievably short sighted.

Because back when the world had no power generation, no rail, no water plants, no sewage treatment, etc etc; we had a fraction of the population, a much shorter life span, and high mortality rates.

Suddenly throw a large population into a scenario where there is no power to run basic utilities or hospitals, curtail the access to food and water, and suddenly have a mass sewage problem; and you have the classic example of a humanitarian disaster. Starvation……..illness………death

Sorry, but that last sentence is just nuts.

Hand ringing, no. Im fine with the two parties turning the whole region to glass.

Funny how people worry about one side getting nukes. They tend to forget the other side. The side that stole US secrets to develop their weapons. Then they have turned around and said if you dont help us, we will send those weapons to US targets.

Never forget that neither side has signed the non nuclear proliferation treaty. Neither are our allies.

I would hate to be as unprepared for disaster as you. Water doesn't start at the faucet. Food doesn't start at the grocery store. The sun gives you hours of light each day. Yes, they'll survive.

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I think we're all falling for the head fake...We might be rolling out the EMP weapons or god knows what to damage their infrastructure

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Well it's kind of hard not to be concerned when the president is threatening to kill the entire country.

No Spin Ag said:

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Iran says they will fill their power plants etc. with children.

UN chief says that means you can't bomb.
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/trump-iran-deadline-israel-hormuz-april-7

I know, who cares?

But can the GOP take the pressure "bombing children" would create in the US. I say no, the GOP has already shown it is feckless.

Will be an interesting day.

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Would special forces be able to take the military in these facilities out, even with them having children in them?

I ask because, if they could, that would be another option to be done first. Then once that's done, and the kids are safe, bomb TF out of the facility.

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But that would be boots on the ground... another reason to criticize Trump.
Just hope Trump shooting off his mouth makes them load up the plants with children and he hits them elsewhere.

Col. Paul Tibbets made the decision to incinerate thousands upon thousands of children, many in schools at the time of their death.

And it was the right decision at the time. War is brutal. It's why it should be avoided at all cost. But when you do proceed with it, you have to be okay with decision that costs lives. Sometimes even the lives of innocent children.

Of course the left will call it a war crime.

I do find it ironic that it isn't a war crime to fill infrastructure targets with children; nor is it a war crime to murder women and homosexuals, and other citizens for 46 years. I guess the to the left, some war crimes are more equal than others.

Curtis LeMay has entered the chat. He makes Tibbits look like a rank amateur.

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I would hate to be as unprepared for disaster as you. Water doesn't start at the faucet. Food doesn't start at the grocery store. The sun gives you hours of light each day. Yes, they'll survive.

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There was already a massive water shortage in Iran. Taking out power for an extended period and wrecking their economy would create a massive humanitarian crisis. That kind of crisis in the past has led to widespread civilian deaths and Muslim refugees spreading into Europe and the US by the millions, forever changing demographics and culture. Not to mention that impact of that on the populace will inevitably lead to further radicalization and security threats.

That ain't 4-D chess. That's more of the same short-sighted, reactionary thinking which has caused the US and western civilization way more problems than it has solved.

Iran really is a piece of **** country for doing this.

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I would hate to be as unprepared for disaster as you. Water doesn't start at the faucet. Food doesn't start at the grocery store. The sun gives you hours of light each day. Yes, they'll survive.

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Me? We have a small beef ranch and raise some crops………and have a major creek run through our property; so I think we'll be fine in the apocalypse.

But it's naive to think a large population, especially in the cities, will have a total infrastructure cut and be just fine. There will be a lot of deaths, even if just from panic and rioting.

Even here in the states, if the entire country's infrastructure ground to a halt, tens of thousands would die. You can say all you want, that it won't……….but common sense says you're wrong.

Has it been stated that "Iran filling plants with children" as a forceful move by the IRGC or is it a "patriotic" duty for Iranians/parents to have the youth go on their own. I do not see the latter happening based on the belief that most Iranians have little trust in their military/govt leaders. Iranian parents/youth aren't volunteering to be a human shield.

I thought the world was overpopulated? Man, I cannot keep up with the cause du jour.

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I think we're all falling for the head fake...We might be rolling out the EMP weapons or god knows what to damage their infrastructure

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Well it's kind of hard not to be concerned when the president is threatening to kill the entire country.

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I believe his statements are called hyperbole. He's been talking this way since the 80's. I would think people would have picked up on this by now.

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Of course the left will call it a war crime.

I do find it ironic that it isn't a war crime to fill infrastructure targets with children; nor is it a war crime to murder women and homosexuals, and other citizens for 46 years. I guess the to the left, some war crimes are more equal than others.

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War crime is another thing the left will wear out , like fascism, Hitler, King. Diminishes true meaning.

The entire world should look at their statement, and agree that is evil.

Iran should then be forcefully subdued, and their resources should be divided amongst other nations.

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Has it been stated that "Iran filling plants with children" as a forceful move by the IRGC or is it a "patriotic" duty for Iranians/parents to have the youth go on their own. I do not see the latter happening based on the belief that most Iranians have little trust in their military/govt leaders. Iranian parents/youth aren't volunteering to be a human shield.

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Agreed and if this is such a noble cause shouldn't their mighty military and leaders that have been chanting death to America for nearly 50 years be there defending these critical infrastructures? It would seem like this is the perfect chance for them to show just how powerful they are.

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Sid Farkas said:

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I think we're all falling for the head fake...We might be rolling out the EMP weapons or god knows what to damage their infrastructure

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Well it's kind of hard not to be concerned when the president is threatening to kill the entire country.

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I believe his statements are called hyperbole. He's been talking this way since the 80's. I would think people would have picked up on this by now.

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If that's true why should anyone trust what he says let alone Iran?

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No Spin Ag said:

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Iran says they will fill their power plants etc. with children.

UN chief says that means you can't bomb.
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/trump-iran-deadline-israel-hormuz-april-7

I know, who cares?

But can the GOP take the pressure "bombing children" would create in the US. I say no, the GOP has already shown it is feckless.

Will be an interesting day.

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Would special forces be able to take the military in these facilities out, even with them having children in them?

I ask because, if they could, that would be another option to be done first. Then once that's done, and the kids are safe, bomb TF out of the facility.

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But that would be boots on the ground... another reason to criticize Trump.
Just hope Trump shooting off his mouth makes them load up the plants with children and he hits them elsewhere.

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Screw the criticism. Put the boots on the ground if it's necessary to successfully complete the mission.

This just shows, once again, how ***tty muslims are. They don't value the lives of their children and they use that against the West, who does value the lives of innocents.

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I think we're all falling for the head fake...We might be rolling out the EMP weapons or god knows what to damage their infrastructure

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Well it's kind of hard not to be concerned when the president is threatening to kill the entire country.

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I believe his statements are called hyperbole. He's been talking this way since the 80's. I would think people would have picked up on this by now.

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If that's true why should anyone trust what he says let alone Iran?

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Well, in a way you shouldn't which is why he is so unpredictable. He might bomb them or he might not but it's the threat and unpredictability that makes him so dangerous and why these people fear him. With that being said he is not going to bomb them back into the stone ages, but he could hit some of their bridges and power plants to try and force them to give in to his demands.

That's fine to think. Funny how people result to personal attacks when presented with a different opinion. You do you boo.

I can't believe how many people are here cheering on this destruction. Trump is insane and needs to be removed from power ASAP.

I imagine out military has a better plan than just annihilate the power generation facilities even if filled with children.

But we can be surgical in how you knock out the power in a manner that does not take 20 years to turn the lights back on.

Quick and dirty concept below using one of the larger power generation facilities in Iran (don't be fooled by the towers, this is not a nuclear plant - it is a gas powered facility.

So, a smart military guy is going to target the "green" substations at the plant and other key locations. If you wanted to go a step further you could damage or destroy the "yellow" water tanks and cooling towers.

If you were Biden, your dumbarse would take out the "orange" turbines / generators which would take years and years to reconstruct at scale.

It will not take much to bring down their grid with surgical strikes at key points which likely then brings the entire grid down. Admittedly, I do not know how segregated the power grid is in Iran and they have lots of hydroelectric facilities, which again rather than blowing up the dam you simply "unplug" it.

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This just shows, once again, how ***tty muslims are. They don't value the lives of their children and they use that against the West, who does value the lives of innocents.

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Hey man, where do you think all those "virgins" come from for all their martyrs?