Some of you are way too literal.

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Iran's parliament clarified on Wednesday (July 16) that the chant "Death to America" is a rejection of US leadership and its history of global dominance, not a call for harm against American citizens.

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Muslims and Democrats engage in taqiyah.

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We don't need an Iraq war to cause short, intermediate and longterm problems. We're already going to feel the economic pain from this over the next few months, just from what's happened to date. That is inevitable at this point. The major bump in price at the pump we've already seen is just the start.

Any combination of the Strait not being opened, damage to other energy production in the ME, and major economic damage to Iran is only going to make things worse, in addition to running the risk of a refugee crisis and the downstream impacts of that.

At which point, if anything worsens from here, I'll refer you back to the stated aims of this war (stated by Trump himself, and further emphasized by Hegseth) and ask you to ask yourself what the heck are we doing?

And November is your line in the sand where you might change your mind? Kiss the House, possibly the Senate and definitely the economy goodbye, in addition to the last of critical parts of our stockpile of high tech weaponry for a long time.

I doubt you were saying November 5-6 weeks ago. I doubt many others on here were either. Lot of sunk cost fallacy going on.

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Calling for a wipe out in November... just 7 months away now! Noting can change for the better, it will all be for the worst. Please everyone listen to me that the sky is falling for sure this time.

Perhaps a DIsney storyline approach to geopolitics is not well advised. But I could be wrong I guess.

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Chicken little became a hero.

Best to say The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

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I think we're all falling for the head fake...We might be rolling out the EMP weapons or god knows what to damage their infrastructure

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Well it's kind of hard not to be concerned when the president is threatening to kill the entire country.

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Trump is going to kill everyone in Iran?

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MSDNC is more unhinged than usual over this. They're truly convinced Trump is going to drop nukes on Iran any minute now.

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MSDNC hates America. Anybody agreeing with their BS cannot be trusted.

I don't remember you whining about the danger to civilians

when the Islamic Republic and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps massacred approximately 37,000 civilians in January of 2026.

The left doesn't seem to have a problem with killing children. Just saying.

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We don't need an Iraq war to cause short, intermediate and longterm problems. We're already going to feel the economic pain from this over the next few months, just from what's happened to date. That is inevitable at this point. The major bump in price at the pump we've already seen is just the start.

Any combination of the Strait not being opened, damage to other energy production in the ME, and major economic damage to Iran is only going to make things worse, in addition to running the risk of a refugee crisis and the downstream impacts of that.

At which point, if anything worsens from here, I'll refer you back to the stated aims of this war (stated by Trump himself, and further emphasized by Hegseth) and ask what the heck are we doing?

And November is your line in the sand where you might change your mind? Kiss the House, possibly the Senate and definitely the economy goodbye, in addition to the last of our stockpile of high tech weaponry for a long time.

I doubt you were saying November 5-6 weeks ago. I doubt many others on here were either. Lot of sunk cost fallacy going on.

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Marco Rubio pointed out pretty plainly why we attacked.

Iran was investing tremendous resources to overwhelm Iron Dome, and was ordering it's army to launch all of those resources pretty indiscriminately throughout the middle east if/when attacked. That's what actually happened, and I am certain that Israel was aware of that before the attack. We can't allow Iran to continue to stockpile enough that Iron Dome gets swamped. If that means we have to pay more for gasoline for a while, it is likely worth it.

It's very rational military strategy.

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And if you think the economic impact will just be on gas prices you aren't paying attention. Fertilizer, plastics, everything that uses fertilizer or plastic or gas to transport, which doesn't leave much else. It's all already going to go up in the next few months, just based on what's been done to date.

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The problem is, just like our enlarging debt, someone is going to have to be responsible for trying to protect OUR interests there and quit trying to appease a group of people whose ultimate goal is worldwide Islamic / Sharia rule. It goes against our way of life, and the instability that a ruling group like who is in charge in Iran has against us (and our allies, whether they want to admit it or not) is going to come back and bite us in the backside at some point. I don't know if this was the correct way to fix it, but what everyone else was doing, including us, for the past 47 years, hasn't been working, and the threat has only gotten worse. The USA isn't leaving the ME, as we have too much investment there, and, like it or not, we are the world's police and trying to do what is best for us AND the majority of the world, by trying to keep Iran nuclear free. Can you imagine another North Korea like country with nuclear capability WITHOUT having a country like China able to try to act as some kind of a throttle on them? Iran has no China, and act for philosophical reasons, not primarily economic ones. They would be a rogue nation and would then require a lot more in sacrifice, to us and the rest of the world, than we are going to suffer now.

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So exactly what I said. Maybe you should read it and identify the actually stated aims of the war, not the rhetoric, which were further identified by Hegseth. It's the four aims I spelled out for you above.

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The only way to achieve the peace with Iran is their total submission and unconditional surrender.

Please don't buckle, stay the course.

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And religious fanatics are simply not going to do that. Are we prepared for a ground war which this forum said would never happen? How many folks on here lauded Trump's brilliance because it was just an air war.

And then what……. Still doesn't mean the eventual government that rises out of the ashes isn't full of more fanatics. That part of the world isn't going to change. It's a wet dream.

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This is a ploy - we're bombing something else besides bridges and power plants.

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Israel already bombed 8 bridges.

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That's Israel - not us

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So what are we bombing?

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So far, mostly missile launchers, and a few crappy ships.

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And religious fanatics are simply not going to do that. Are we prepared for a ground war which this forum said would never happen? How many folks on here lauded Trump's brilliance because it was just an air war.

And then what……. Still doesn't mean the eventual government that rises out of the ashes isn't full of more fanatics. That part of the world isn't going to change. It's a wet dream.

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Trump makes wet dreams come true. Its what he does.

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This is a ploy - we're bombing something else besides bridges and power plants.

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Israel already bombed 8 bridges.

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That's Israel - not us

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So what are we bombing?

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So far, mostly missile launchers, and a few crappy ships.

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So no children's hospitals and the IRGC charity food centers?

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It' not like the target is a school. How many chikdren are working the powerplants? The question is not what kind of leader takes out a target loaded with children, but what kind of leader loads the target with children in the first place.
As far as taking out infrastructure, humans survived for centuries without electricity. They'll be fine.

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Do you honestly believe your last sentence? It's unbelievably short sighted.

Because back when the world had no power generation, no rail, no water plants, no sewage treatment, etc etc; we had a fraction of the population, a much shorter life span, and high mortality rates.

Suddenly throw a large population into a scenario where there is no power to run basic utilities or hospitals, curtail the access to food and water, and suddenly have a mass sewage problem; and you have the classic example of a humanitarian disaster. Starvation……..illness………death

Sorry, but that last sentence is just nuts.

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That would be Bibi's wet dream. Turn Iran into a failed state, like Libya, or Syria, or even Iraq. Something that has no teeth. Something that can be bombed whenever they want. Something that will have lots of internal chaos. And something that will never threaten their regional hegemony.

We've gone from "the Iranian people deserve freedom" to "screw them, let's bomb them back to the stone ages."

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Boooooooo!!!

This is intellectually dishonest. Trump very clearly wished the Iranian people freedom from radicalized leaders in a recent tweet. Let me know if you need me to find it for you.

And, Israel has no regional hegemony. They are more like a vassal state of the USA, at best. And, they are really useful, as they are the best at the spy game in the world.

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The left doesn't seem to have a problem with killing children. Just saying.

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They brag about it on national TV.

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Iranians feeding our leftists.
Instead of being aghast at someone who put kids in harms way, it is now Trumps fault..
I don't want kids to die. But shouldn't an evaluation of a government who would march kids to their death be done?
Iran, accept your defeat and save the kids. But no, your desires lead your own kids to death. It ain't Trump.

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That is what happens when an entire movement decides to worship death through martyrdom. You can't threaten people with death when they worship the concept.

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So exactly what I said. Maybe you should read it and identify the actually stated aims of the war, not the rhetoric, which were further identified by Hegseth. It's the four aims I spelled out for you above.

No terms.

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The only way to achieve the peace with Iran is their total submission and unconditional surrender.

Please don't buckle, stay the course.

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And religious fanatics are simply not going to do that. Are we prepared for a ground war which this forum said would never happen? How many folks on here lauded Trump's brilliance because it was just an air war.

And then what……. Still doesn't mean the eventual government that rises out of the ashes isn't full of more fanatics. That part of the world isn't going to change. It's a wet dream.

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So...

Leave them alone and let them build and build and build and terrorize?

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If we stayed out of the ME, we would not have to worry about Iran. Yes, that was the point of the discussion you seem to be having trouble following. Our involvement in the ME is what drew Iran's ire, not our mere existence or lifestyle or beliefs. And the threat to us is not to the USA but to our interests in the ME. That was the discussion.

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I disagree with this 100%.

The West is not Muslim, which is why the Mullahs hate the West. When it comes to the military, we ARE the West. Which is why we must die.

But, I will agree with you that, for now, Iran is mostly a threat to our interests in the ME. But, with the porous southern border we are likely to have in 2028 when we lose the White House, I wouldn't sleep well at night within blast radius of a petro-chemical plant if Iran had the bomb.

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I think we're all falling for the head fake...We might be rolling out the EMP weapons or god knows what to damage their infrastructure

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Well it's kind of hard not to be concerned when the president is threatening to kill the entire country.

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I guess he is looking forward to a future where the camels in Iran are led by less radicalized leaders then, since all of the Iranian people will obviously be dead.

I guess the children will still have a civilization and Trump won't bomb them all to the dismay of every liberal troll. This one is going to be very hard to make talking points on

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This is a ploy - we're bombing something else besides bridges and power plants.

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Israel already bombed 8 bridges.

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That's Israel - not us

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So what are we bombing?

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Looks like nothing...

It was an off ramp for Iran to save face with their people

How long until we see Hamas-esque productions coming out of Iran about the poor children killed by Israel/USA?

I have the over/under at 4.5 days