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That's certainly one way to look at it. The Iranians themselves have often stated that to them "Death to America" more means "GTFO of the Middle East" and that it's our backing of Israel that draws their ire.

The imminent threat, such that it was, was to Israel, not the US.

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So this is like the fatwa from the ayatollah saying their pursuit of nuclear weapons was for mostly people purposes. Now we have an American (making an assumption here) telling folks that when Iranians chant Death to America as they have done for 47 years, what they mean is leave us alone and go away.

And heck, they showed that was there intention by taking Americans hostage, killing our soldiers over 47 years, launching missiles repeatedly at Israel and others, attacking international shipping corridors, on and on.

But trust me folks, if we just give them some more pallets of Obama-bucks they will be nice and will be a super duper friend to everyone.

Please...

Im Gipper said:

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The Iranians themselves have often stated that to them "Death to America" more means "GTFO of the Middle East" and that it's our backing of Israel that draws their ire.

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Do you have a link to this?


Its seems to me that they could just say "GTFO of the Middle East" rather than using code.

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You're on the internet, so surely you can do a google search. Here are a couple of quick links. There was a fairly well known interview with the leader of their parliament where he said this exact thing as well, not too long ago:

https://americ.info/america/whats-with-irans-death-to-america-chant-al-jazeera/?amp=1

https://www.firstpost.com/world/iran-defends-death-to-america-slogan-says-not-against-us-citizens-but-its-leadership-13907589.html#goog_rewarded

The idea that Iran has ever posed a threat to the homeland is a nonstarter. Not only has it never happened, there's no indication it ever would.

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It's probably not good that we as a society are normalizing language from our president like "a civilization will die tonight."

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OMG are you don't clutching your pearls yet? There is a 0% chance their civilization will die tonight. He's just trying to scare them in to meeting his demands. If any bombs fall tonight they will be very surgical to minimize any civilian losses something that Iran does not subscribe to. More likely what will happen is nothing because He will say new conversations are ongoing about meeting out demands.

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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I can already see it.

Trump: Doesn't attack because the children.

Dems & TDS Clowns: "LUUULZ, TACO Trump"

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exactly

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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I can already see it.

Trump: Doesn't attack because the children.

Dems & TDS Clowns: "LUUULZ, TACO Trump"

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1) Trump attacks

2) Iran calls his bluff and he doesn't attack


Which of these two outcomes is good for the U.S.?

Sid Farkas said:

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I think we're all falling for the head fake...We might be rolling out the EMP weapons or god knows what to damage their infrastructure

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Well it's kind of hard not to be concerned when the president is threatening to kill the entire country.

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So you're telling me you believe Trump is actually going to kill everyone in Iran. Srsly. I'll bet you were all-in on Russia collusion. Are you triple-masked?

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He is one of the few people in the world that actually has the functional ability to kill everyone in Iran. He also is an emotional baby who doesn't like being called names and wants everyone to adore him.



For those two reason, you would be an idiot to not take his threat seriously.

Is it possible that the plan is to shut down power plants via cyber attack that can then be turned back on when the Americans/Israelis want it back on?

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The "original terms"? There were no "terms" when we started this thing. We said we were going to reduce their military, missile, drone, naval and nuclear capacity to some undefined point where we didn't think they were a threat. We didn't require anything of the Iranians when we kicked this off.

Your recall is apparently as bad as your reading comprehension.

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Folks, this is what we like to call "gaslighting".

Trump was very clear that the attacks would continue until the objectives were met. And those objectives were not some *****footing DNC concepts of just a little trim off the top of the military, missile, drone, naval and nuclear capacity to some.... undefined point (which is funny cause then you define it as "no longer a threat".

Go back and watch Trump's speech from the Oval, numerous press gaggles and the like.

But folks are not going to let you rewrite history because Orange Man Bad.

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This is complete BS. There are actually facts and video in evidence, your constant goaltending notwithstanding. The only gaslighting is either being done by you, or has been effectively done to you to convince you otherwise.

Go ahead and find me the outline of the "terms" we required when we initiated this war. Recall also the reports that Israel was going ahead with the decapitation strike regardless and we jumped on with them.

Have you even noticed they have been developing missiles with longer and longer ranges? Why do you think that is? Don't be blinded by your obvious bias.

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That's fine to think. Funny how people result to personal attacks when presented with a different opinion. You do you boo.

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Different opinions are fine. Utterly naive and ignorant should be mocked.

Sure buddy. All the evidence is on your side. Too funny.

Aggie Apotheosis said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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I can already see it.

Trump: Doesn't attack because the children.

Dems & TDS Clowns: "LUUULZ, TACO Trump"

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1) Trump attacks

2) Iran calls his bluff and he doesn't attack


Which of these two outcomes is good for the U.S.?

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How is it calling his bluff by putting children in there as human shields? Trump obviously shouldn't attack if that is the case. My point is that the clowns will mock his decision to not attack, even when the decision was made due to the ***tty muslims using children as shields.

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Have you even noticed they have been developing missiles with longer and longer ranges? Why do you think that is? Don't be blinded by your obvious bias.

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To threaten Israel. To be the regional power. That was the imminent threat. Not to the USA, but to Israel and US interests in the Middle East.

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TxSquarebody said:

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I thought the world was overpopulated? Man, I cannot keep up with the cause du jour.

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I thought life was "sacred?"

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It is for those that choose to hold it sacred. Once you make a decision to fill a plant with kids, or the other stuff you are implying, that person has decided the lives of others, including themselves, no longer matters. Just like a theif has decided my stuff is more valuable than their life. This isn't complicated.

Aggie Apotheosis said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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I can already see it.

Trump: Doesn't attack because the children.

Dems & TDS Clowns: "LUUULZ, TACO Trump"

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1) Trump attacks

2) Iran calls his bluff and he doesn't attack


Which of these two outcomes is good for the U.S.?

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Trump conducting "diplomacy" via Truth Social is contributing to a no win situation for the US. Either we knowingly bomb innocent civilians or Trump's threats become feckless. All because he has the maturity and temperament of a 14 yr old.

1. Always have clear, achievable objectives.
2. Always have a strategy and a tactical plan that will achieve the objectives.
3. Always have a clear, achievable exit plan.

-- One objective was to strike and destroy or damage most of Iran's armaments, navy, air force, and conventional military infrastructure. This appears to heve mostly been achieved.

-- Another top objective was to kill the leaders of the old regime. We have done that. Amazingly, this was done via air power alone.

-- If (jmho this was not one of our objectives, so the word "If" matters here) another top objective was to install a new regime that is not like the old regime, we knew we could not achieve that via air power alone. It would require ground troops. A lot of them.

So if that was a key objective initially, then Trump must decide now whether it still should be. In his decision-making process, he better understand: a majority of the American people will not support Trump ordering a ground war unless both houses of Congress first hold a debate and then approve a ground war via a floor vote.

-- Opening the strait of Hormuz to shipping is the other key remaining question. Can that be achieved by us declaring "Our objectives were achieved" and withdrawing? I don't know. But Iran needs the strait to be open.

I don't know why any Iranian wouldn't want to die for their country.
The number of virgins you receive in the afterlife goes up exponentially if you die for your country.
Parents are just looking out for their children's souls.
What does an American need to do to become Iranian?

one of the dumbest threads ever on /16.

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Im Gipper said:

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The Iranians themselves have often stated that to them "Death to America" more means "GTFO of the Middle East" and that it's our backing of Israel that draws their ire.

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Do you have a link to this?


Its seems to me that they could just say "GTFO of the Middle East" rather than using code.

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You're on the internet, so surely you can do a google search. Here are a couple of quick links. There was a fairly well known interview with the leader of their parliament where he said this exact thing as well, not too long ago:

https://americ.info/america/whats-with-irans-death-to-america-chant-al-jazeera/?amp=1

https://www.firstpost.com/world/iran-defends-death-to-america-slogan-says-not-against-us-citizens-but-its-leadership-13907589.html#goog_rewarded

The idea that Iran has ever posed a threat to the homeland is a nonstarter. Not only has it never happened, there's no indication it ever would.

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Holy head in the sand, Batman!
The world's leading sponsor of terror. Significant funder, trainer, provider of weapons, etc. to Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis doesn't pose a threat to the homeland? How many of them do you think walked across the border under Biden's watch?
How naive can you get?

Gordo14 said:

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It's probably not good that we as a society are normalizing language from our president like "a civilization will die tonight."

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These are the things you repeat after you have the likes of Lindsay Graham in your ear.

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Sure buddy. All the evidence is on your side. Too funny.

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It's all right there for you to "refresh your memory," but that would require you to actually be objective and looking for truth instead of just being a kneejerk reactionary goalie. In his 2/28 speech laying out his aims for the war, he said:

- destroy their missiles and missile industry
- destroy their navy
- destroy/degrade their ability to support a proxy network
- destroy their ability to get a nuclear weapon

The only thing regarding an action on the part of any Iranian was that he expressed the hope that the Iranian people would rise up after we were done with the above.

There were no terms issued or mentioned. Any "terms" have only come about after the Iranian response shut down the Strait and started attacking gas and oil facilities.

Hank the Grifter said:

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DTP02 said:

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Im Gipper said:

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The Iranians themselves have often stated that to them "Death to America" more means "GTFO of the Middle East" and that it's our backing of Israel that draws their ire.

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Do you have a link to this?


Its seems to me that they could just say "GTFO of the Middle East" rather than using code.

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You're on the internet, so surely you can do a google search. Here are a couple of quick links. There was a fairly well known interview with the leader of their parliament where he said this exact thing as well, not too long ago:

https://americ.info/america/whats-with-irans-death-to-america-chant-al-jazeera/?amp=1

https://www.firstpost.com/world/iran-defends-death-to-america-slogan-says-not-against-us-citizens-but-its-leadership-13907589.html#goog_rewarded

The idea that Iran has ever posed a threat to the homeland is a nonstarter. Not only has it never happened, there's no indication it ever would.

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Holy head in the sand, Batman!
The world's leading sponsor of terror. Significant funder, trainer, provider of weapons, etc. to Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis doesn't pose a threat to the homeland? How many of them do you think walked across the border under Biden's watch?
How naive can you get?

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Hamas and Hezbollah pose a threat to Israel. The Houthis a threat to Israel, SA, and shipping.

They don't pose a threat to the USA, but to US interests and presence in the ME.

TxSquarebody said:

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Ervin Burrell said:

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TxSquarebody said:

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I thought the world was overpopulated? Man, I cannot keep up with the cause du jour.

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I thought life was "sacred?"

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It is for those that choose to hold it sacred. Once you make a decision to fill a plant with kids, or the other stuff you are implying, that person has decided the lives of others, including themselves, no longer matters. Just like a theif has decided my stuff is more valuable than their life. This isn't complicated.

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Your thinking and conclusions on this issue make sense to you, and from a certain point of view, I agree they are logical and rational. However, keep in mind, your conclusions on this specific moral and military strategy question are far outside the boundaries of what is acceptable, legal, reasonable, moral, or a good course of strategic military action to most adult civilians and modern-day military strategists.

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flown-the-coop said:

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Sure buddy. All the evidence is on your side. Too funny.

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It's all right there for you to "refresh your memory," but that would require you to actually be objective and looking for truth instead of just back a kneejerk reactionary goalie. In his 2/28 speech laying out his aims for the war, he said:

- destroy their missiles and missile industry
- destroy their navy
- destroy/degrade their ability to support a proxy network
- destroy their ability to get a nuclear weapon

The only thing regarding an action on the part of any Iranian was that he expressed the hope that the Iranian people would rise up after we were done with the above.

There were no terms issued or mentioned. The terms have only come about after the Iranians shut down the Strait and started attacking gas and oil facilities.

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I'll start when you start.

But seriously, they have been told to stop their nuke program, limit the range of any missiles, keep the strait open, quit funding proxy terrorists, quit attacking American interests directly or through proxies, did I mention no nukes?

BTW - We don't have to look for the truth. Below is the full text from 02/28/2026.

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A short time ago, the United States military began major combat operations in Iran. Our objective is to defend the American people by eliminating imminent threats from the Iranian regime, a vicious group of very hard, terrible people. Its menacing activities directly endanger the United States, our troops, our bases overseas and our allies throughout the world.

For 47 years, the Iranian regime has chanted "death to America" and waged an unending campaign of bloodshed and mass murder targeting the United States, our troops and the innocent people in many, many countries. Among the regime's very first acts was to back a violent takeover of the US Embassy in Tehran, holding dozens of American hostages for 444 days.

In 1983, Iran's proxies carried out the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut that killed 241 American military personnel. In 2000, they knew and were probably involved with the attack on the USS Cole. Many died.

Iranian forces killed and maimed hundreds of American service members in Iraq. The regime's proxies have continued to launch countless attacks against American forces stationed in the Middle East in recent years, as well as US naval and commercial vessels in international shipping lanes. It's been mass terror. And we're not going to put up with it any longer.

From Lebanon to Yemen and Syria to Iraq, the regime has armed, trained and funded terrorist militias that have soaked the earth with blood and guts. And it was Iran's proxy Hamas that launched the monstrous October 7 attacks on Israel, slaughtering more than 1,000 innocent people, including 46 Americans, while taking 12 of our citizens hostage. It was brutal, something like the world has never seen before.

Iran is the world's No. 1 state sponsor of terror and just recently killed tens of thousands of its own citizens on the street as they protested. It has always been the policy of the United States, in particular my administration, that this terrorist regime can never have a nuclear weapon. I'll say it again. They can never have a nuclear weapon.

That is why in Operation Midnight Hammer last June, we obliterated the regime's nuclear program at Fordow, Natanz and Isfahan. After that attack, we warned them never to resume their malicious pursuit of nuclear weapons, and we sought repeatedly to make a deal. We tried. They wanted to do it. They didn't want to do it. Again, they wanted to do it. They didn't want to do it. They didn't know what was happening. They just wanted to practice evil.

But Iran refused, just as it has for decades and decades. They rejected every opportunity to renounce their nuclear ambitions. And we can't take it anymore. Instead, they attempted to rebuild their nuclear program and to continue developing long-range missiles that can now threaten our very good friends and allies in Europe, our troops stationed overseas, and could soon reach the American homeland.

Just imagine how emboldened this regime would be if they ever had and actually were armed with nuclear weapons as a means to deliver their message. For these reasons, the United States military is undertaking a massive and ongoing operation to prevent this very wicked, radical dictatorship from threatening America and our core national security interests. We are going to destroy their missiles and raze their missile industry to the ground. It will be totally, again, obliterated.

We're going to annihilate their navy. We are going to ensure that the region's terrorist proxies can no longer destabilize the region or the world and attack our forces and no longer use their IEDs or roadside bombs, as they are sometimes called, to so gravely wound and kill thousands and thousands of people including many Americans. And we will ensure that Iran does not obtain a nuclear weapon. It's a very simple message. They will never have a nuclear weapon.

This regime will soon learn that no one should challenge the strength and might of the United States armed forces. I built and rebuilt our military in my first administration. And there is no military on Earth even close to its power, strength, or sophistication. My administration has taken every possible step to minimize the risk to US personnel in the region.

Even so, and I do not make this statement lightly, the Iranian regime seeks to kill. The lives of courageous American heroes may be lost, and we may have casualties. That often happens in war. But we're doing this not for now. We're doing this for the future. And it is a noble mission.

We pray for every service member as they selflessly risk their lives to ensure that Americans and our children will never be threatened by a nuclear-armed Iran. We ask God to protect all of our heroes in harm's way. And we trust that with his help, the men and women of the armed forces will prevail. We have the greatest in the world, and they will prevail.

To the members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard, the armed forces, and all of the police, I say tonight that you must lay down your weapons and have complete immunity, or in the alternative, face certain death. So lay down your arms. You will be treated fairly with total immunity. Or you will face certain death.

Finally, to the great, proud people of Iran, I say tonight that the hour of your freedom is at hand. Stay sheltered. Don't leave your home. It's very dangerous outside. Bombs will be dropping everywhere. When we are finished, take over your government, it will be yours to take. This will be probably your only chance for generations.

For many years, you have asked for America's help, but you never got it. No president was willing to do what I am willing to do tonight. Now, you have a president who is giving you what you want. So let's see how you respond. America is backing you with overwhelming strength and devastating force. Now is the time to seize control of your destiny and to unleash the prosperous and glorious future that is close within your reach. This is the moment for action. Do not let it pass.

May God bless the brave men and women of America's armed forces. May God bless the United States of America. May God bless you all.

Thank you.

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Trump deserves some blame for giving away his play before hand. Unless it is 4-d chess and he plans on striking something else

But killing children should be avoided at all costs.

DTP02 said:

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Hank the Grifter said:

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DTP02 said:

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Im Gipper said:

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The Iranians themselves have often stated that to them "Death to America" more means "GTFO of the Middle East" and that it's our backing of Israel that draws their ire.

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Do you have a link to this?


Its seems to me that they could just say "GTFO of the Middle East" rather than using code.

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You're on the internet, so surely you can do a google search. Here are a couple of quick links. There was a fairly well known interview with the leader of their parliament where he said this exact thing as well, not too long ago:

https://americ.info/america/whats-with-irans-death-to-america-chant-al-jazeera/?amp=1

https://www.firstpost.com/world/iran-defends-death-to-america-slogan-says-not-against-us-citizens-but-its-leadership-13907589.html#goog_rewarded

The idea that Iran has ever posed a threat to the homeland is a nonstarter. Not only has it never happened, there's no indication it ever would.

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Holy head in the sand, Batman!
The world's leading sponsor of terror. Significant funder, trainer, provider of weapons, etc. to Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis doesn't pose a threat to the homeland? How many of them do you think walked across the border under Biden's watch?
How naive can you get?

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Hamas and Hezbollah pose a threat to Israel. The Houthis a threat to Israel, SA, and shipping.

They don't pose a threat to the USA, but to US interests and presence in the ME.

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So as long as we stay completely out of the Middle East, then we should not worry about Iran?

What sort of strategy it that? Makes sense that you would think pallets of Obama-bucks and totally since fatwas from evil dictators are better strategy than taking any action. So brave, so bold.

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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This just shows, once again, how ***tty muslims are. They don't value the lives of their children and they use that against the West, who does value the lives of innocents.

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Hey man, where do you think all those "virgins" come from for all their martyrs?

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Ouch. I see what you did here !! A boom !! and not a single blue star until now.

So exactly what I said. Maybe you should read it and identify the actually stated aims of the war, not the rhetoric, which were further identified by Hegseth. It's the four aims I spelled out for you above.

No terms.

DTP02 said:

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So exactly what I said. Maybe you should read it and identify the actually stated aims of the war, not the rhetoric, which were further identified by Hegseth. It's the four aims I spelled out for you above.

No terms.

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To the members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard, the armed forces, and all of the police, I say tonight that you must lay down your weapons and have complete immunity, or in the alternative, face certain death. So lay down your arms. You will be treated fairly with total immunity. Or you will face certain death.

DTP02 said:

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So exactly what I said. Maybe you should read it and identify the actually stated aims of the war, not the rhetoric, which were further identified by Hegseth. It's the four aims I spelled out for you above.

No terms.

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Operation Midnight Hammer last June, we obliterated the regime's nuclear program at Fordow, Natanz and Isfahan. After that attack, we warned them never to resume their malicious pursuit of nuclear weapons, and we sought repeatedly to make a deal. We tried. They wanted to do it. They didn't want to do it. Again, they wanted to do it. They didn't want to do it. They didn't know what was happening. They just wanted to practice evil.

But Iran refused, just as it has for decades and decades. They rejected every opportunity to renounce their nuclear ambitions. And we can't take it anymore. Instead, they attempted to rebuild their nuclear program and to continue developing long-range missiles that can now threaten our very good friends and allies in Europe, our troops stationed overseas, and could soon reach the American homeland.

Trump won't do a thing tonight and the "deadline" will be pushed back again.

Aggie Apotheosis said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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I can already see it.

Trump: Doesn't attack because the children.

Dems & TDS Clowns: "LUUULZ, TACO Trump"

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1) Trump attacks

2) Iran calls his bluff and he doesn't attack


Which of these two outcomes is good for the U.S.?

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3) Trump orders attacks on intended targets while the Iranians and American Leftists are distracted and pearl clutching; which is not related to the above.

DTP02 said:

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So exactly what I said. Maybe you should read it and identify the actually stated aims of the war, not the rhetoric, which were further identified by Hegseth. It's the four aims I spelled out for you above.

No terms.

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And the "you will never have a nuke" which translates to stop enriching, handover the enriched uranium and make no further attempts to pursue a nuclear weapon or you will be killed.

Is that not a term? Do this or else?

It has always been the policy of the United States, in particular my administration, that this terrorist regime can never have a nuclear weapon. I'll say it again. They can never have a nuclear weapon.

flown-the-coop said:

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DTP02 said:

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Hank the Grifter said:

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DTP02 said:

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Im Gipper said:

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The Iranians themselves have often stated that to them "Death to America" more means "GTFO of the Middle East" and that it's our backing of Israel that draws their ire.

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Do you have a link to this?


Its seems to me that they could just say "GTFO of the Middle East" rather than using code.

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You're on the internet, so surely you can do a google search. Here are a couple of quick links. There was a fairly well known interview with the leader of their parliament where he said this exact thing as well, not too long ago:

https://americ.info/america/whats-with-irans-death-to-america-chant-al-jazeera/?amp=1

https://www.firstpost.com/world/iran-defends-death-to-america-slogan-says-not-against-us-citizens-but-its-leadership-13907589.html#goog_rewarded

The idea that Iran has ever posed a threat to the homeland is a nonstarter. Not only has it never happened, there's no indication it ever would.

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Holy head in the sand, Batman!
The world's leading sponsor of terror. Significant funder, trainer, provider of weapons, etc. to Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis doesn't pose a threat to the homeland? How many of them do you think walked across the border under Biden's watch?
How naive can you get?

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Hamas and Hezbollah pose a threat to Israel. The Houthis a threat to Israel, SA, and shipping.

They don't pose a threat to the USA, but to US interests and presence in the ME.

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So as long as we stay completely out of the Middle East, then we should not worry about Iran?

What sort of strategy it that? Makes sense that you would think pallets of Obama-bucks and totally since fatwas from evil dictators are better strategy than taking any action. So brave, so bold.

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If we stayed out of the ME, we would not have to worry about Iran. Yes, that was the point of the discussion you seem to be having trouble following. Our involvement in the ME is what drew Iran's ire, not our mere existence or lifestyle or beliefs. And the threat to us is not to the USA but to our interests in the ME. That was the discussion.

flown-the-coop said:

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DTP02 said:

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So exactly what I said. Maybe you should read it and identify the actually stated aims of the war, not the rhetoric, which were further identified by Hegseth. It's the four aims I spelled out for you above.

No terms.

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And the "you will never have a nuke" which translates to stop enriching, handover the enriched uranium and make no further attempts to pursue a nuclear weapon or you will be killed.

Is that not a term? Do this or else?

It has always been the policy of the United States, in particular my administration, that this terrorist regime can never have a nuclear weapon. I'll say it again. They can never have a nuclear weapon.

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This
Once Iran admitted they had a bunch of highly enriched uranium (with no real civilian purpose) it was "game on". I seem to recall them saying this didn't exist for a long time.

yep. take out the substations.