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MattAg84 said:

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Genocide? Really? The lefties truly are insane. Not gonna be a genocide you can calm the f down. You all are the ones who claim not wanting to mutilate children on the altar of trans as "genocide" too so spare me.

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By this afternoon it will leak that Trump has dugout our chemical weapons and is planning to gas mass sections of Iran and that they will actually use napalm to get the children to disperse from the power plants.

There is no limit to the depravity of Trump. 25th NOW!

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Leak from "officials close to the situation who spoke off the record"?

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And Mike Tyson said everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

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I wish he had not faded into Bolivian.

Calm down. No one is using nuclear weapons.

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akm91 said:

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Dresden right?

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Yes.......

Here's more info about near total destruction of German cities in WWII.....

During WWII, Allied bombing campaigns heavily destroyed numerous German cities, with total destruction in some cases
. Key cities "bombed into oblivion" included Dresden, Hamburg, Pforzheim, and Dortmund, often using incendiary bombs to create firestorms. Approximately 600,000 German civilians died in these raids, which reduced many city centers to rubble by 1945."

OP is obviously incapable of performing a simple Google search of past wars on this planet.......


Hiroshima and Nagasaki say hello to the OP!

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But only after the Germans bombed the crap out of cities in Britain (mostly London) with their V1 buzz bombs that were guided in a primitive manner (primarily distance and direction). When their fuel ran out, they fell wherever they were. As long as people on the ground could hear the buzzing, the bombs were still airborne. Once the buzzing stopped, the bombs were on their way down. They carried two primary detonation systems, one upon impact and then a second one after impact to cause more damage to whatever it hit. A third was timed for about two hours after impact for self destruction and to harm responders.

The bombing of London started a few days after D-Day in 1944, well before the Allies were bombing anything within Germany.

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My point to the OP is that bombing civilian infrastructure is not a war crime........we literally bombed Germany out of their ability to wage against the Allied powers.

Hitler's buzz bombs on London weren't enough to stop Britain from prosecuting the war against the NAZIs. If Von Braun had built more V-2's that would have had better weapons delivery guidance systems to hit key British Defense production plants......well, that would have had major impact on Britain's ability to prosecute the war at that time.

Same thing happened in the Pacific war against Japan when we annihilated Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Any continuation of the war in the Pacific would have been pure suicide by the Japanese.

Any civilian infrastructure that supports directly, or indirectly the war fighting capability of a nation is fair game and has been throughout history.

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Rapier108 said:

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Keyno said:

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Rapier108 said:

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"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.

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"A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again..."

This is a genocide threat. Is that a war crime still or not anymore?

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And you'd have no problem with that if Trump said it about Israel so spare me your pearl clutching.

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Haha of course you didn't answer. And you are wrong as usual. I am a Catholic and do not support "killing entire civilizations" obviously.

Again- Trump threatened a genocide. Is that a war crime still or not anymore?

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Threatening genocide is not and has not ever been a war crime. Actual genocide is.

CDUB98 said:

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Old McDonald said:

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buckle up for another ride on the trump rollercoaster:

1. he said it but he didn't mean it <- you are here
2. he meant it but he was exaggerating
3. he wasn't exaggerating but now i think it's good
4. it's bad but at least he's not a democrat

maga never learns

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No, it's [censored] like you who still haven't learned to ignore anything Trump says and watch what he does that never learn.

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Ragoo said:

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The level of irrational thought from the left is mind boggling.

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Yes and no. The level they reach is not surprising but it is hard to comprehend why someone would go to such extreme irrationalities all because Orange Man tweets mean things.

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Calm down. No one is using nuclear weapons.

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Well the Islamic Republic would if they could

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Another great day for Putin and Xi.

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( Meant to reply to ttu85 )

Did you miss the reports that some Russian Oil was being allowed to move because of shortages

The US is burning through things that go boom at an alarming rate -

The US relationships with our Allies are at a low point because of the questionable tariff policies

So yes this ongoing situation is good for Xi and Putin

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I have seen people on the left post this more and more. How on Gods Green Earth is this good for China? Two of their most strategic allies are now useless to them. The world saw what happened to Chinese military tech, the world saw what happens when China's allies get bombed... nothing. The world watched about $100 billion dollars in tech, equipment, and time disappear in the matter of days that was all China's.

They are no longer getting cheap sanctioned oil from VZ and wasted at minimum $40 billion in oil investments there, and now the choke point around Iran is uncertain. If my biggest rival controlled or had a major influence around most of the oil choke points in the world I would rethink my plans.

So, what are you seeing that is making this situation for China so great?

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CDUB98 said:

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Old McDonald said:

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buckle up for another ride on the trump rollercoaster:

1. he said it but he didn't mean it <- you are here
2. he meant it but he was exaggerating
3. he wasn't exaggerating but now i think it's good
4. it's bad but at least he's not a democrat

maga never learns

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No, it's [censored] like you who still haven't learned to ignore anything Trump says and watch what he does that never learn.

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No, I'm not, because I'm nowhere there. I'm ignoring him, like always. I wait to see what happens. He's a blustering buffoon. It's worthless to listen to the empty can.

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Ragoo said:

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The level of irrational thought from the left is mind boggling.

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Yes and know. The level they reach is not surprising but it is hard to comprehend why someone would go to such extreme irrationalities all because Orange Man tweets mean things.

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Ha but they got you good and have added you to a list

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It's pretty clear at this point that Trump isn't worried about threatening / committing international war crimes.

Simply bombing civilian infrastructure is a clear and obvious war crime, and this morning he went a step further and threatened genocide against the entire Iranian civilization. ("A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again...")

Taking away the emotion of this, which is admittedly high, how far would this need to go before the 25th could potentially be invoked?

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Literally almost every attack by Iran qualifies as a war crime then, they expend almost all of their effort at civilian targets. International law only works if everyone agrees to the terms. Iran isn't playing by the rules so we should feel no obligation to either.

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aggiehawg said:

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Viper16 said:

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Dresden right?

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Yes.......

Here's more info about near total destruction of German cities in WWII.....

During WWII, Allied bombing campaigns heavily destroyed numerous German cities, with total destruction in some cases
. Key cities "bombed into oblivion" included Dresden, Hamburg, Pforzheim, and Dortmund, often using incendiary bombs to create firestorms. Approximately 600,000 German civilians died in these raids, which reduced many city centers to rubble by 1945."

OP is obviously incapable of performing a simple Google search of past wars on this planet.......


Hiroshima and Nagasaki say hello to the OP!

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But only after the Germans bombed the crap out of cities in Britain (mostly London) with their V1 buzz bombs that were guided in a primitive manner (primarily distance and direction). When their fuel ran out, they fell wherever they were. As long as people on the ground could hear the buzzing, the bombs were still airborne. Once the buzzing stopped, the bombs were on their way down. They carried two primary detonation systems, one upon impact and then a second one after impact to cause more damage to whatever it hit. A third was timed for about two hours after impact for self destruction and to harm responders.

The bombing of London started a few days after D-Day in 1944, well before the Allies were bombing anything within Germany.

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My point to the OP is that bombing civilian infrastructure is not a war crime........we literally bombed Germany out of their ability to wage against the Allied powers.

Hitler's buzz bombs on London weren't enough to stop Britain from prosecuting the war against the NAZIs. If Von Braun had built more V-2's that would have had better weapons delivery guidance systems to hit key defense British production plants......well, that would have had major impact on Britain's ability to prosecute the war at that time.

Same thing happened in the Pacific war against Japan when we annihilated Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Any continuation of the war in the Pacific would have been pure suicide by the Japanese.

Any civilian infrastructure that supports directly, or indirectly the war fighting capability of a nation is fair game and has been throughout history.

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With regard to Japan, don't forget that we firebombed many of their major cities.

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Taking away the emotion of this, which is admittedly high, how far would this need to go before the 25th could potentially be invoked?

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I missed your posts when Biden was drooling, sleeping, and ****ting all over himself. Where were you? Who was running the country?

If you didn't speak up then, when we all knew the guy had dementia, you can take a seat now.

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Actually took til the second page before the "BuT bIdEn!" posts started...making progress around here.

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It's such over the top hypocrisy, that it can't go unmentioned. You people looked the other way, and I am calling you out.

Trump doesn't have dementia, you just hate him. There isn't a scintilla of intellectual honesty on the left.

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What do you mean you people. I'm not on "the left" . I didn't vote for Biden and i called him a vegetable, racist and an authoritarian (his actions) from day 1. I was vocal about his actions of circumventing congress with his EOs especially on mandate covid shot and loan forgiveness, I called his foreign policy abysmal beginning with the Afghanistan pull out. Handing over 100s of millions of dollar of equipment to the enemy, I called out his comments "if you vote republican you aren't black", I called out his tribalism and appealing to the far left policies. I called out pardoning his son and pardoning many people before they have been charged with crimes (preemptive pardons). I called out his admin in the denial of inflation that was running rampant. I called out his mishandling of classified documents.

Seriously check the tape on all of these. For all of the things that Biden did wrong that does not make what Trump is doing correct.


So I would love for Biden and his cronies to be held to account. As I would for any other politicians…. Yes Hillary should have been locked up for the mishandling of classified documents.

So get over yourself if you think this is just attacking Trump and move on from the "but Biden" rhetoric on a Trump topic to somehow negate what Trump is doing. It's a lazy an argument not based in truth. Truth is almost all that are very critical of Trump on here we're just as critical of Biden during his term. Most here are not excusing anything Biden or even Obama and the dem party did during his term (sending pallets of money to Iran and dem party argument was always being "if your disagree with Obama on policy then you are a racist")

It is fair criticism to call out a president on many policies that have flown in the face of his own promises, fiscal conservatism or policies that have been in violation of the constitution. That's not a derangement syndrome that's wanting to hold the president, any president to account as our elected leader of our country.

Agador Spartacus said:

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Rapier108 said:

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LOL, using AI that quotes from "Amnesty International."

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Pick whatever source you want

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Guys, he cited CNN!! IT MUST BE TRUE!!!

Where is Ben with his signature?

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Keyno said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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When Trump doesn't nuke Iran tonight, all the people screaming he's about to commit genocide will seamlessly shift to posting "Taco Tuesday" memes and claiming he chickened out.

It's all a game to these people.

— Bonchie (@bonchieredstate) April 7, 2026

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I am praying for a TACO.

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Of course he will TACO. This is just a Hail Mary. Do y'all really think he's going to "end their civilization"? Really?

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I honestly don't know what Trump will do anymore. Iran has called his bluff. I've said this multiple times over the weeks- if Trump's wants to achieve his stated objectives it's going to take boots on the ground or nukes.

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Exactly. Misdirection and hyperbole is part of his technique. He's done this many, many times now as POTUS. Feints, misdirection, etc.

I see what you did there. Good job.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha
Yeah Trump doesn't have dementia.
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha,

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Taking away the emotion of this, which is admittedly high, how far would this need to go before the 25th could potentially be invoked?

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I missed your posts when Biden was drooling, sleeping, and ****ting all over himself. Where were you? Who was running the country?

If you didn't speak up then, when we all knew the guy had dementia, you can take a seat now.

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Actually took til the second page before the "BuT bIdEn!" posts started...making progress around here.

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It's such over the top hypocrisy, that it can't go unmentioned. You people looked the other way, and I am calling you out.

Trump doesn't have dementia, you just hate him. There isn't a scintilla of intellectual honesty on the left.

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What do you mean you people. I'm not on "the left" . I didn't vote for Biden and i called him a vegetable, racist and an authoritarian (his actions) from day 1. I was vocal about his actions of circumventing congress with his EOs especially on mandate covid shot and loan forgiveness, I called his foreign policy abysmal beginning with the Afghanistan pull out. Handing over 100s of millions of dollar of equipment to the enemy, I called out his comments "if you vote republican you aren't black", I called out his tribalism and appealing to the far left policies. I called out pardoning his son and pardoning many people before they have been charged with crimes (preemptive pardons). I called out his admin in the denial of inflation that was running rampant. I called out his mishandling of classified documents.

Seriously check the tape on all of these. For all of the things that Biden did wrong that does not make what Trump is doing correct.


So I would love for Biden and his cronies to be held to account. As I would for any other politicians…. Yes Hillary should have been locked up for the mishandling of classified documents.

So get over yourself if you think this is just attacking Trump and move on from the "but Biden" rhetoric on a Trump topic to somehow negate what Trump is doing. It's a lazy an argument not based in truth. Truth is almost all that are very critical of Trump on here we're just as critical of Biden during his term. Most here are not excusing anything Biden or even Obama and the dem party did during his term (sending pallets of money to Iran and dem party argument was always being "if your disagree with Obama on policy then you are a racist")

It is fair criticism to call out a president on many policies that have flown in the face of his own promises, fiscal conservatism or policies that have been in violation of the constitution. That's not a derangement syndrome that's wanting to hold the president, any president to account as our elected leader of our country.

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Hmmm, did somebody forget to log back into their sock?

CDUB98 said:

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Old McDonald said:

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CDUB98 said:

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Old McDonald said:

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buckle up for another ride on the trump rollercoaster:

1. he said it but he didn't mean it <- you are here
2. he meant it but he was exaggerating
3. he wasn't exaggerating but now i think it's good
4. it's bad but at least he's not a democrat

maga never learns

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No, it's [censored] like you who still haven't learned to ignore anything Trump says and watch what he does that never learn.

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No, I'm not, because I'm nowhere there. I'm ignoring him, like always. I wait to see what happens. He's a blustering buffoon. It's worthless to listen to the empty can.

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this is probably how iran feels too

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Truth is almost all that are very critical of Trump on here we're just as critical of Biden during his term

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Bull

Effing

S***

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So, as we sit here thousands of miles away fretting about Trump "ending a civilization" and blowing up some bridges, what do you think the IIRG and mullahs are doing about now?

Trump says things to get a reaction and people still take him literally. Amazing.

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That is kind of the point though. He does not seem to get any reaction and no one anywhere has any faith in the man's word.

The Iranians have cut off communications after Trump's latest threats. It is similar to the Chinese openly laughing at his tariff threats towards the end of those "negotiations" and Trump eventually backing down.

President Trump has somehow delivered a scenario where completely ignoring the President of the United States is the optimal game planning scenario for foreign countries.

We live in such strange times.

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1) You know what is the strangest about these times? Europe is run by Muslims at this point, so they aren't worth listening to when they whine. Given who is running those countries, I'm not surprised they don't want to collaborate with the US. Europe just bent over and took it, and surrendered their continent to invaders. These Muslim guys are all offended that the US won't take the same deal. Chalk me up as someone that is not OK with that happening in the US.

2) Do you think that all of those dead Isis, Al Queda and Hamas leaders think that Trump's threats are hallow? How about Murduro? You think he might be a believer?

3) Are you aware of how much money we have received in Tariffs in 2026? I don't call that "backing down". It's not as much as Trump set as the target, but, like, that is part of the game, right?

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akm91 said:

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Looks like new talking points have been distributed to be parrotted.

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I remember when a president saying he was going to wipe an entire civilization off the map didn't need "talking points", we simply all agreed that's psychotic and insane.

But, we've got ourselves a cult, what can ya do?

They've successfully moved the overton window so that anything is defensible.

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Got'em!!!!

Not insane at all, total war is how you win completely. Wipe out the theocratic islamic regime.

Teslag said:

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Keyno said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Keyno said:

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Rapier108 said:

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"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.

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"A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again..."

This is a genocide threat. Is that a war crime still or not anymore?

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And you'd have no problem with that if Trump said it about Israel so spare me your pearl clutching.

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Haha of course you didn't answer. And you are wrong as usual. I am a Catholic and do not support "killing entire civilizations" obviously.

Again- Trump threatened a genocide. Is that a war crime still or not anymore?

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Threatening genocide is not and has not ever been a war crime. Actual genocide is.

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Incorrect.

Threatening genocide is generally considered a violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention, to which the United States is a party.

(Edit: Also, threats with the purpose of creating terror amongst a civilian population is considered a crime under international law and prohibited within the US War Manual.)

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Trump did that? At least since obama have american presidents' threats and red lines been routinely ignored. I remember the gas and I remember Biden saying "dont."

The real issue is that we have a very squishy percentage of our population that will probably never allow us to politically win another war.

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Pretty much. Sure, others have weakened the power of the office but he deserves the vast majority of the responsibility because of the volume and intensity of his daily communication and his inability to work through traditional channels. I totally agree with your view that our population, who the executive supposedly works for, has no interest in another foreign adventure with Iraq and the Global War on Terror still in recent memory.

Teddy Roosevelt said "Talk softly and carry a big stick" and we have the exact opposite now. Trump's defacto stance is combative and aggressive when everyone know he can't back up his words.

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Except for the entire leadership of Iran, Isis and Hamas that are no longer breathing. Those are some mo-fos that think Trump has the ability to back up his words when he wants to.

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Remember when Obama droned US Citizens overseas with no due process and no one in the media said anything? Remember when he bomb's Libya and no one said anything about war crimes?

Pepperidge Farms remembers.

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Trump threatening it is wrong too. An entire civilization, mind you. God bless them, though.

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With regard to Japan, don't forget that we firebombed many of their major cities.

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We killed way more people in Japan with napalm than we did with nukes.

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Teslag said:

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Keyno said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Keyno said:

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Rapier108 said:

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"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.

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"A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again..."

This is a genocide threat. Is that a war crime still or not anymore?

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And you'd have no problem with that if Trump said it about Israel so spare me your pearl clutching.

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Haha of course you didn't answer. And you are wrong as usual. I am a Catholic and do not support "killing entire civilizations" obviously.

Again- Trump threatened a genocide. Is that a war crime still or not anymore?

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Threatening genocide is not and has not ever been a war crime. Actual genocide is.

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Incorrect.

Threatening genocide is generally considered a violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention, to which the United States is a party.

(Edit: Also, threats with the purpose of creating terror amongst a civilian population is considered a crime under international law and prohibited within the US War Manual.)

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Then every President since 1945 is a war criminal since the stated doctrine was mutually assured destruction (ie genocide's big brother, extinction).

Words are not war crimes. Words in fact are nothing. Actions are the only thing that matters.

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zag213004 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Ervin Burrell said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Taking away the emotion of this, which is admittedly high, how far would this need to go before the 25th could potentially be invoked?

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I missed your posts when Biden was drooling, sleeping, and ****ting all over himself. Where were you? Who was running the country?

If you didn't speak up then, when we all knew the guy had dementia, you can take a seat now.

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Actually took til the second page before the "BuT bIdEn!" posts started...making progress around here.

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It's such over the top hypocrisy, that it can't go unmentioned. You people looked the other way, and I am calling you out.

Trump doesn't have dementia, you just hate him. There isn't a scintilla of intellectual honesty on the left.

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What do you mean you people. I'm not on "the left" . I didn't vote for Biden and i called him a vegetable, racist and an authoritarian (his actions) from day 1. I was vocal about his actions of circumventing congress with his EOs especially on mandate covid shot and loan forgiveness, I called his foreign policy abysmal beginning with the Afghanistan pull out. Handing over 100s of millions of dollar of equipment to the enemy, I called out his comments "if you vote republican you aren't black", I called out his tribalism and appealing to the far left policies. I called out pardoning his son and pardoning many people before they have been charged with crimes (preemptive pardons). I called out his admin in the denial of inflation that was running rampant. I called out his mishandling of classified documents.

Seriously check the tape on all of these. For all of the things that Biden did wrong that does not make what Trump is doing correct.


So I would love for Biden and his cronies to be held to account. As I would for any other politicians…. Yes Hillary should have been locked up for the mishandling of classified documents.

So get over yourself if you think this is just attacking Trump and move on from the "but Biden" rhetoric on a Trump topic to somehow negate what Trump is doing. It's a lazy an argument not based in truth. Truth is almost all that are very critical of Trump on here we're just as critical of Biden during his term. Most here are not excusing anything Biden or even Obama and the dem party did during his term (sending pallets of money to Iran and dem party argument was always being "if your disagree with Obama on policy then you are a racist")

It is fair criticism to call out a president on many policies that have flown in the face of his own promises, fiscal conservatism or policies that have been in violation of the constitution. That's not a derangement syndrome that's wanting to hold the president, any president to account as our elected leader of our country.

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Hmmm, did somebody forget to log back into their sock?

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Nice call. Spreadsheet updated.

You can argue ethics all you want, but we are not signatories and haven't ratified the 1977 addition to the Geneva Conventions that would cover infrastructure. If he intentionally violates a treaty to which we are a signatory and that has been ratified through Congress, then you have a basis for invoking the 25th. If not, it's just pearl clutching.