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I'd be willing to bet I had covered more of lake limestone by the time I was 10 years old than you have since you bought your lake property there, but that's just a guess...but you go on picking fights at the exact time you need to gain support.

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Nope. Born and raised there and I don't live on the lake. Live close to it in the middle of 100 acres. Part of my land has been in my family since the 1850's.

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Seems so fair to assume the opposite about others right? Not gonna make it into a pissing match about how much land is held between the two of our families but let's leave it at - I know what I'm talking about and happen to sit on your side of the ledger.

If you wanna fight the data center buildout the right way - the same way that opposed high speed rail, it's going to take consensus with all stakeholders and not just the ones you think have the same rural credentials as yourself.

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What make me laugh are the people online saying how bad data centers are, as they post on sites, here, Instagram, Facebook, Tik Tok, X, Youtube, etc. Clueless. You can disconnect in protest. Ha! No you can't.

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I know dick about how they work but it would behoove your industry to do some education of the public if the newest gen doesn't suck water. Right now most of the public perceives them as just another massive burden on the residential water supply. And perception is reality.

That's just one aspect. Convincing the public the water is not an issue but then winning hearts and minds on all of the other issues with them is a separate matter...light pollution, noise pollution, physical eyesore.

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The water issue is a real one. Yet we keep electing people who don't give a shirt about it. It's frustrating!

Has anyone watched an Aggie baseball game on the ESPN app recently? Every commercial break, the State of Texas runs ads to convince us that data centers are our friends. Seems super odd.

I'll also add that for some rural communities, they will gladly take the data center because 1. It's a tax BOOM! and 2. The folks who are selling the land for these data centers were barely getting by, yet are able to profit and retire when their land sells for $20K an acre

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I'd be willing to bet I had covered more of lake limestone by the time I was 10 years old than you have since you bought your lake property there, but that's just a guess...but you go on picking fights at the exact time you need to gain support.

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Nope. Born and raised there and I don't live on the lake. Live close to it in the middle of 100 acres. Part of my land has been in my family since the 1850's.

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Definition of old money.

My ancestors wouldn't come over from Northern Europe for another 30-60 years after your family were already land owners. That's cool that you live on the same land as your ancestors did 170 years ago.

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What make me laugh are the people online saying how bad data centers are, as they post on sites, here, Instagram, Facebook, Tik Tok, X, Youtube, etc. Clueless. You can disconnect in protest. Ha! No you can't.

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I know dick about how they work but it would behoove your industry to do some education of the public if the newest gen doesn't suck water. Right now most of the public perceives them as just another massive burden on the residential water supply. And perception is reality.

That's just one aspect. Convincing the public the water is not an issue but then winning hearts and minds on all of the other issues with them is a separate matter...light pollution, noise pollution, physical eyesore.

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The water issue is a real one. Yet we keep electing people who don't give a shirt about it. It's frustrating!

Has anyone watched an Aggie baseball game on the ESPN app recently? Every commercial break, the State of Texas runs ads to convince us that data centers are our friends. Seems super odd.

I'll also add that for some rural communities, they will gladly take the data center because 1. It's a tax BOOM! and 2. The folks who are selling the land for these data centers were barely getting by, yet are able to profit and retire when their land sells for $20K an acre

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Exactly. The answer is really simple.

Don't want a data center near you... buy all the land.

Or, convince your politicians not to give them tax breaks or incentives.
And convince your neighbors to NOT take above market value for their land.

This is Global Warming all over again.

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What make me laugh are the people online saying how bad data centers are, as they post on sites, here, Instagram, Facebook, Tik Tok, X, Youtube, etc. Clueless. You can disconnect in protest. Ha! No you can't.

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I know dick about how they work but it would behoove your industry to do some education of the public if the newest gen doesn't suck water. Right now most of the public perceives them as just another massive burden on the residential water supply. And perception is reality.

That's just one aspect. Convincing the public the water is not an issue but then winning hearts and minds on all of the other issues with them is a separate matter...light pollution, noise pollution, physical eyesore.

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The water issue is a real one. Yet we keep electing people who don't give a shirt about it. It's frustrating!

Has anyone watched an Aggie baseball game on the ESPN app recently? Every commercial break, the State of Texas runs ads to convince us that data centers are our friends. Seems super odd.

I'll also add that for some rural communities, they will gladly take the data center because 1. It's a tax BOOM! and 2. The folks who are selling the land for these data centers were barely getting by, yet are able to profit and retire when their land sells for $20K an acre

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Exactly. The answer is really simple.

Don't want a data center near you... buy all the land.

Or, convince your politicians not to give them tax breaks or incentives.
And convince your neighbors to NOT take above market value for their land.

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Such a tired stupid trope.

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What make me laugh are the people online saying how bad data centers are, as they post on sites, here, Instagram, Facebook, Tik Tok, X, Youtube, etc. Clueless. You can disconnect in protest. Ha! No you can't.

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I know dick about how they work but it would behoove your industry to do some education of the public if the newest gen doesn't suck water. Right now most of the public perceives them as just another massive burden on the residential water supply. And perception is reality.

That's just one aspect. Convincing the public the water is not an issue but then winning hearts and minds on all of the other issues with them is a separate matter...light pollution, noise pollution, physical eyesore.

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The water issue is a real one. Yet we keep electing people who don't give a shirt about it. It's frustrating!

Has anyone watched an Aggie baseball game on the ESPN app recently? Every commercial break, the State of Texas runs ads to convince us that data centers are our friends. Seems super odd.

I'll also add that for some rural communities, they will gladly take the data center because 1. It's a tax BOOM! and 2. The folks who are selling the land for these data centers were barely getting by, yet are able to profit and retire when their land sells for $20K an acre

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Exactly. The answer is really simple.

Don't want a data center near you... buy all the land.

Or, convince your politicians not to give them tax breaks or incentives.
And convince your neighbors to NOT take above market value for their land.

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Such a tired stupid trope.

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And wrong in what way?

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This is Global Warming all over again.

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No, it's more like why Fort Worth became Fort Worth and Waco didn't.

Old Waco money didn't want the railroad but... so... Fort Worth said thank you very much.

If it were more like Global Warming, then we'd have the face of stopping Data Centers... i.e. an updated Greta Thunberg

We don't have Leonardo DiCaprio driving a Prius to show how he's taking action against Data Centers.
https://carbuzz.com/features/leonardo-dicaprios-cars-the-hollywood-star-has-taste/

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What make me laugh are the people online saying how bad data centers are, as they post on sites, here, Instagram, Facebook, Tik Tok, X, Youtube, etc. Clueless. You can disconnect in protest. Ha! No you can't.

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I know dick about how they work but it would behoove your industry to do some education of the public if the newest gen doesn't suck water. Right now most of the public perceives them as just another massive burden on the residential water supply. And perception is reality.

That's just one aspect. Convincing the public the water is not an issue but then winning hearts and minds on all of the other issues with them is a separate matter...light pollution, noise pollution, physical eyesore.

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The water issue is a real one. Yet we keep electing people who don't give a shirt about it. It's frustrating!

Has anyone watched an Aggie baseball game on the ESPN app recently? Every commercial break, the State of Texas runs ads to convince us that data centers are our friends. Seems super odd.

I'll also add that for some rural communities, they will gladly take the data center because 1. It's a tax BOOM! and 2. The folks who are selling the land for these data centers were barely getting by, yet are able to profit and retire when their land sells for $20K an acre

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Exactly. The answer is really simple.

Don't want a data center near you... buy all the land.

Or, convince your politicians not to give them tax breaks or incentives.
And convince your neighbors to NOT take above market value for their land.

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Such a tired stupid trope.

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And wrong in what way?

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I have cousins in Mississippi that live on a couple thousand acres. My uncle used to call it "Zoning By Ownership"

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Anyone else seen the new commercials talking about how great and reliable they are. And the jobs they create and even the law enforcement officer thrown in for, I don't know, 'Merca/maga vibes(?).

Do data centers have to get approval from politicians to move into areas, or can they just buy the land like a Wal-Mart can a open shop?

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What make me laugh are the people online saying how bad data centers are, as they post on sites, here, Instagram, Facebook, Tik Tok, X, Youtube, etc. Clueless. You can disconnect in protest. Ha! No you can't.

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I know dick about how they work but it would behoove your industry to do some education of the public if the newest gen doesn't suck water. Right now most of the public perceives them as just another massive burden on the residential water supply. And perception is reality.

That's just one aspect. Convincing the public the water is not an issue but then winning hearts and minds on all of the other issues with them is a separate matter...light pollution, noise pollution, physical eyesore.

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The water issue is a real one. Yet we keep electing people who don't give a shirt about it. It's frustrating!

Has anyone watched an Aggie baseball game on the ESPN app recently? Every commercial break, the State of Texas runs ads to convince us that data centers are our friends. Seems super odd.

I'll also add that for some rural communities, they will gladly take the data center because 1. It's a tax BOOM! and 2. The folks who are selling the land for these data centers were barely getting by, yet are able to profit and retire when their land sells for $20K an acre

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Exactly. The answer is really simple.

Don't want a data center near you... buy all the land.

Or, convince your politicians not to give them tax breaks or incentives.
And convince your neighbors to NOT take above market value for their land.

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Such a tired stupid trope.

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And wrong in what way?

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I have cousins in Mississippi that live on a couple thousand acres. My uncle used to call it "Zoning By Ownership"

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Well said

In some locales they have additional rules beyond ownership.
Austin has the "Capitol View Corridor" which used to be much more restrictive than it is today.

Basically, if you could see the Capitol Building, nobody could build anything that blocks your view of it.
https://www.preservationtexas.org/mep/capitol-views

And let's say you were building in a place like Austin and there might be a Texas Heritage site on the grounds... good luck to you. You have to wait for archeological investigations to come back which could take a year or more.

In the 1990s when my father built the new Travis County Courthouse and Jail, the project was supposed to be completed in 3 years but it took 5 years due to the building having to be redesigned due to the Capitol View Corridor and delays due to archeological digs.

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Do data centers have to get approval from politicians to move into areas, or can they just buy the land like a Wal-Mart can a open shop?

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In rural areas, there is really nothing to stop them from building wherever they want, but their choice of where to build is influenced by access to utilities. Where local governments do have some leverage is that, typically, if a certain locality won't give them some form of tax abatement (which would still generate exponentially more tax revenue for the local governments than not giving an abatement and receiving ag valuation revenue from that same property), then the data center developers will just move on to a jurisdiction that will take the deal.

Nobody likes paying property taxes, least of all the majority of folks that post on this board, yet the anti data center group wants to force their fellow residents to pay more in taxes so that their property isn't blighted by development next door.

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What make me laugh are the people online saying how bad data centers are, as they post on sites, here, Instagram, Facebook, Tik Tok, X, Youtube, etc. Clueless. You can disconnect in protest. Ha! No you can't.

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I know dick about how they work but it would behoove your industry to do some education of the public if the newest gen doesn't suck water. Right now most of the public perceives them as just another massive burden on the residential water supply. And perception is reality.

That's just one aspect. Convincing the public the water is not an issue but then winning hearts and minds on all of the other issues with them is a separate matter...light pollution, noise pollution, physical eyesore.

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This is a great and direct post. My folks live on a lake in East Texas and it looks like they're getting a Diode Data Center less than half a mile from their house, and everyone's talking about these crazy water and energy numbers, and no one is educating anyone. They're all scared sheetless that the only thing they have (their home/land) is about to have its value completely destroyed. Hard not to be quite concerned, and some folks are already putting their places on the market. No idea if it will be a closed loop system, etc., but everyone is panicking.

Also, the local government didn't release anything about this until the day after election day, how convenient and not at all shady.

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What make me laugh are the people online saying how bad data centers are, as they post on sites, here, Instagram, Facebook, Tik Tok, X, Youtube, etc. Clueless. You can disconnect in protest. Ha! No you can't.

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I know dick about how they work but it would behoove your industry to do some education of the public if the newest gen doesn't suck water. Right now most of the public perceives them as just another massive burden on the residential water supply. And perception is reality.

That's just one aspect. Convincing the public the water is not an issue but then winning hearts and minds on all of the other issues with them is a separate matter...light pollution, noise pollution, physical eyesore.

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This is a great and direct post. My folks live on a lake in East Texas and it looks like they're getting a Diode Data Center less than half a mile from their house, and everyone's talking about these crazy water and energy numbers, and no one is educating anyone. They're all scared sheetless that the only thing they have (their home/land) is about to have its value completely destroyed. Hard not to be quite concerned, and some folks are already putting their places on the market. No idea if it will be a closed loop system, etc., but everyone is panicking.

Also, the local government didn't release anything about this until the day after election day, how convenient and not at all shady.

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If they'd announced a pulp mill nobody would have blinked.

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What make me laugh are the people online saying how bad data centers are, as they post on sites, here, Instagram, Facebook, Tik Tok, X, Youtube, etc. Clueless. You can disconnect in protest. Ha! No you can't.

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I know dick about how they work but it would behoove your industry to do some education of the public if the newest gen doesn't suck water. Right now most of the public perceives them as just another massive burden on the residential water supply. And perception is reality.

That's just one aspect. Convincing the public the water is not an issue but then winning hearts and minds on all of the other issues with them is a separate matter...light pollution, noise pollution, physical eyesore.

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This is a great and direct post. My folks live on a lake in East Texas and it looks like they're getting a Diode Data Center less than half a mile from their house, and everyone's talking about these crazy water and energy numbers, and no one is educating anyone. They're all scared sheetless that the only thing they have (their home/land) is about to have its value completely destroyed. Hard not to be quite concerned, and some folks are already putting their places on the market. No idea if it will be a closed loop system, etc., but everyone is panicking.

Also, the local government didn't release anything about this until the day after election day, how convenient and not at all shady.

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If they'd announced a pulp mill nobody would have blinked.

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Look, as a career IT person and CIO of a company, I understand this issue decently, and don't disagree. However, as others have mentioned, would a pulp mill have the same light pollution, the same noise, and/or the same water consumption? I'm sure it's not inconsequential, just ignorant of how similar/different these 2 things are. Not to mention, in their specific area, the "plan" is to build another new data center on the same land every 10 years.

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What make me laugh are the people online saying how bad data centers are, as they post on sites, here, Instagram, Facebook, Tik Tok, X, Youtube, etc. Clueless. You can disconnect in protest. Ha! No you can't.

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I know dick about how they work but it would behoove your industry to do some education of the public if the newest gen doesn't suck water. Right now most of the public perceives them as just another massive burden on the residential water supply. And perception is reality.

That's just one aspect. Convincing the public the water is not an issue but then winning hearts and minds on all of the other issues with them is a separate matter...light pollution, noise pollution, physical eyesore.

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This is a great and direct post. My folks live on a lake in East Texas and it looks like they're getting a Diode Data Center less than half a mile from their house, and everyone's talking about these crazy water and energy numbers, and no one is educating anyone. They're all scared sheetless that the only thing they have (their home/land) is about to have its value completely destroyed. Hard not to be quite concerned, and some folks are already putting their places on the market. No idea if it will be a closed loop system, etc., but everyone is panicking.

Also, the local government didn't release anything about this until the day after election day, how convenient and not at all shady.

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If they'd announced a pulp mill nobody would have blinked.

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Look, as a career IT person and CIO of a company, I understand this issue decently, and don't disagree. However, as others have mentioned, would a pulp mill have the same light pollution, the same noise, and/or the same water consumption? I'm sure it's not inconsequential, just ignorant of how similar/different these 2 things are. Not to mention, in their specific area, the "plan" is to build another new data center on the same land every 10 years.

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Pulp mills are notorious water users. And the light pollution question....how is that not a simple zoning issue? In terms of noise, how does a data center compare to a simple interstate highway? How many people live within 1/2 mile of 620 or 410, etc. and are presumed to be unaffected in relation to what a data center theoretically does?

Power consumption? Sure. Tht is an issue on a strained grid. Water, too.

But there are tons and tons of industrial complexes out there that affect the surrounding land as much as a data center.

All industries have an impact. The hate for data centers specifically is odd.

So all of you high and holy types who are so much better than the rest of us who don't want to see our quiet rural areas destroyed, have already established how high and holy you are.

Surely you wouldn't mind if I buy the property next to your house and use it to stack and store feedlot manure. I could probably fit 80 or 100 tons on a residential sized lot, and have it there as soon as I can line up the trucks. The smell shouldn't bother you, because it's just organic fertilizer, and surely high and holy types like y'all would not be opposed to organic fertilizer. Just put a damp towel on the bottom of your doors and windows. You'll get used to the smell. You eat food don't you? So you're just a nimby hypocrite if you don't want my stacks of shi, er I mean "organic fertilizer" next to you.

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So all of you high and holy types who are so much better than the rest of us who don't want to see our quiet rural areas destroyed, have already established how high and holy you are.

Surely you wouldn't mind if I buy the property next to your house and use it to stack and store feedlot manure. I could probably fit 80 or 100 tons on a residential sized lot, and have it there as soon as I can line up the trucks. The smell shouldn't bother you, because it's just organic fertilizer, and surely high and holy types like y'all would not be opposed to organic fertilizer. Just put a damp towel on the bottom of your doors and windows. You'll get used to the smell. You eat food don't you? So you're just a nimby hypocrite if you don't want my stacks of shi, er I mean "organic fertilizer" next to you.

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If you are willing to proscribe who and why your neighbor sells his place you have to be okay with him doing the same to you.

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What make me laugh are the people online saying how bad data centers are, as they post on sites, here, Instagram, Facebook, Tik Tok, X, Youtube, etc. Clueless. You can disconnect in protest. Ha! No you can't.

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I know dick about how they work but it would behoove your industry to do some education of the public if the newest gen doesn't suck water. Right now most of the public perceives them as just another massive burden on the residential water supply. And perception is reality.

That's just one aspect. Convincing the public the water is not an issue but then winning hearts and minds on all of the other issues with them is a separate matter...light pollution, noise pollution, physical eyesore.

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This is a great and direct post. My folks live on a lake in East Texas and it looks like they're getting a Diode Data Center less than half a mile from their house, and everyone's talking about these crazy water and energy numbers, and no one is educating anyone. They're all scared sheetless that the only thing they have (their home/land) is about to have its value completely destroyed. Hard not to be quite concerned, and some folks are already putting their places on the market. No idea if it will be a closed loop system, etc., but everyone is panicking.

Also, the local government didn't release anything about this until the day after election day, how convenient and not at all shady.

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If they'd announced a pulp mill nobody would have blinked.

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Mills are more pulpular than AI centers.

If we curtail these data centers we will all have to make some sacrifices. Therefore, to save bandwidth I will limit myself to only midget pr0n.

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What make me laugh are the people online saying how bad data centers are, as they post on sites, here, Instagram, Facebook, Tik Tok, X, Youtube, etc. Clueless. You can disconnect in protest. Ha! No you can't.

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I know dick about how they work but it would behoove your industry to do some education of the public if the newest gen doesn't suck water. Right now most of the public perceives them as just another massive burden on the residential water supply. And perception is reality.

That's just one aspect. Convincing the public the water is not an issue but then winning hearts and minds on all of the other issues with them is a separate matter...light pollution, noise pollution, physical eyesore.

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This is a great and direct post. My folks live on a lake in East Texas and it looks like they're getting a Diode Data Center less than half a mile from their house, and everyone's talking about these crazy water and energy numbers, and no one is educating anyone. They're all scared sheetless that the only thing they have (their home/land) is about to have its value completely destroyed. Hard not to be quite concerned, and some folks are already putting their places on the market. No idea if it will be a closed loop system, etc., but everyone is panicking.

Also, the local government didn't release anything about this until the day after election day, how convenient and not at all shady.

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If they'd announced a pulp mill nobody would have blinked.

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Look, as a career IT person and CIO of a company, I understand this issue decently, and don't disagree. However, as others have mentioned, would a pulp mill have the same light pollution, the same noise, and/or the same water consumption? I'm sure it's not inconsequential, just ignorant of how similar/different these 2 things are. Not to mention, in their specific area, the "plan" is to build another new data center on the same land every 10 years.

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Pulp mills are notorious water users. And the light pollution question....how is that not a simple zoning issue? In terms of noise, how does a data center compare to a simple interstate highway? How many people live within 1/2 mile of 620 or 410, etc. and are presumed to be unaffected in relation to what a data center theoretically does?

Power consumption? Sure. Tht is an issue on a strained grid. Water, too.

But there are tons and tons of industrial complexes out there that affect the surrounding land as much as a data center.

All industries have an impact. The hate for data centers specifically is odd.

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It's just the newest thing. If you're old enough you'll remember when SUVs got popular. Everyone railed against them. Every time there was an accident you'd see headlines like "SUV kills two!" like it was the car's fault. This is similar. This too shall pass.

Some people are like that now with EV's

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Some people are like that now with EV's

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People object to battery?

When did that change?

It's a highly charged debate

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It's a highly charged debate

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Try not to be so negative.

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What make me laugh are the people online saying how bad data centers are, as they post on sites, here, Instagram, Facebook, Tik Tok, X, Youtube, etc. Clueless. You can disconnect in protest. Ha! No you can't.

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I know dick about how they work but it would behoove your industry to do some education of the public if the newest gen doesn't suck water. Right now most of the public perceives them as just another massive burden on the residential water supply. And perception is reality.

That's just one aspect. Convincing the public the water is not an issue but then winning hearts and minds on all of the other issues with them is a separate matter...light pollution, noise pollution, physical eyesore.

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This is a great and direct post. My folks live on a lake in East Texas and it looks like they're getting a Diode Data Center less than half a mile from their house, and everyone's talking about these crazy water and energy numbers, and no one is educating anyone. They're all scared sheetless that the only thing they have (their home/land) is about to have its value completely destroyed. Hard not to be quite concerned, and some folks are already putting their places on the market. No idea if it will be a closed loop system, etc., but everyone is panicking.

Also, the local government didn't release anything about this until the day after election day, how convenient and not at all shady.

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If they'd announced a pulp mill nobody would have blinked.

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Mills are more pulpular than AI centers.

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The trees in East Texas are not popular. Most are pine.

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What make me laugh are the people online saying how bad data centers are, as they post on sites, here, Instagram, Facebook, Tik Tok, X, Youtube, etc. Clueless. You can disconnect in protest. Ha! No you can't.

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I know dick about how they work but it would behoove your industry to do some education of the public if the newest gen doesn't suck water. Right now most of the public perceives them as just another massive burden on the residential water supply. And perception is reality.

That's just one aspect. Convincing the public the water is not an issue but then winning hearts and minds on all of the other issues with them is a separate matter...light pollution, noise pollution, physical eyesore.

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This is a great and direct post. My folks live on a lake in East Texas and it looks like they're getting a Diode Data Center less than half a mile from their house, and everyone's talking about these crazy water and energy numbers, and no one is educating anyone. They're all scared sheetless that the only thing they have (their home/land) is about to have its value completely destroyed. Hard not to be quite concerned, and some folks are already putting their places on the market. No idea if it will be a closed loop system, etc., but everyone is panicking.

Also, the local government didn't release anything about this until the day after election day, how convenient and not at all shady.

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If they'd announced a pulp mill nobody would have blinked.

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Mills are more pulpular than AI centers.

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The trees in East Texas are not popular. Most are pine.

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Thank you for opining.

I try to be direct about current events

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I try to be direct about current events

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I acknowledge your brilliance without resistance.

Are you positive about your assumptions?

I'm shocked this turned into another EV discussion.

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I try to be direct about current events

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I acknowledge your brilliance without resistance.

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We can always switch topics or just take a breaker