SMM48 said:

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Folks always assume it's drinking water. It's not.

Potable water is preferred for cooling .

Also water usage is extremely small compared to overall water usage. The demand is growing

So the concern is real but the framing is bad.

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huh?

Potable water IS drinking water...that's why it's called "potable".

Did you mean Non-Potable water?

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HTownAg98 said:

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The water use thing has been overblown. The energy use is a different matter. The thing is that a lot of these data centers want to have their energy use behind the meter. But it's going to take permitting reform by Congress to get it done. And the issue with that is neither party wants to do something where if they do it, the other side comes out of it looking good as well. So everyone loses with higher utility bills. Yay Congress.

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The water usage is a major issue if you consider that its not just the direct water used by the data centers but also the water used by the electrical generation for the data center.

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Do you have numbers to substantiate what you just posted?

HollywoodBQ said:

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In any case, it looks like the City of Mesa is intentionally trying to attract the various Data Center operators.

In the mid-1990s when I was working for The State of Texas as an Environmental Engineer, I learned a very valuable lesson from contested permit applications..

The lesson is, if you like the area around you, if you like your view, and you want to preserve it, you need to buy it.

Otherwise, development on property you don't own, you can't do anything about it other than try to hold up developers through regulations.

Which frankly is exactly why I bought my mountain property in a rural Nevada county. So I didn't have to deal with big city regulations.

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Yep. We have family in Oxford who had an absolutely beautiful spot. They owned a decent amount of acreage on the backend of a neighborhood. Sitting on their back porch you have a great view down range of land and trees. Since we've been there last the city exercised some easement and put a road right through the back end of their property and then on top of that some big industrial build out happened adjacent to them and now they have to listen to that 24/7. It has completely ruined an idyllic setting.

On that note, we just did the same thing you did...moved out to 3.5 acres up on a ridge in the high desert mountains. I commented on the "hell on earth" sound of 10 blowers earlier....that is actually one of the reasons we are moving to where we are. The m'fing non-stop lawn crews with blowers around here are an absolute pest and nuisance. We won't have that where we are going and I can't wait to escape it. If I was dictator, I would outlaw gas blowers as my first edict.

What sucks is that when you move, you never know how long it will remain as you bought it. Thats what irritates me. Lots of folks buy land and then in 2 years gets a damn power line out through it or a data center next door. For us we'd have to move somewhere that is uninhabitable by most everyone and any company. We're ok with that since we're self employed and don't need to be near anything important. But damn yourself if you want to live where there is open land because that won't be the case long.

BrazosDog02 said:

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What sucks is that when you move, you never know how long it will remain as you bought it. Thats what irritates me. Lots of folks buy land and then in 2 years gets a damn power line out through it or a data center next door. For us we'd have to move somewhere that is uninhabitable by most everyone and any company. We're ok with that since we're self employed and don't need to be near anything important. But damn yourself if you want to live where there is open land because that won't be the case long.

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True. The thing we have going for us is that the barrier of entry to build anything where we are is very high. We literally live on a ridge with arroyos and canyons on either side and back up to a state park. There is really no way to build anything industrial where we are which is why we moved there. It took an act of God just to get our one street neighborhood build a decade ago that we are moving into.

It's extreme NIMBYism where we are going and I'm all for it. You can't even build a two story house where we are going.

YouBet said:

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If I was dictator, I would outlaw gas blowers as my first edict.

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By dictator, you mean - Gavin Newsom

A fun read - The Los Angeles Leaf Blower Wars
https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/585-the-los-angeles-leaf-blower-wars/

YouBet said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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What sucks is that when you move, you never know how long it will remain as you bought it. Thats what irritates me. Lots of folks buy land and then in 2 years gets a damn power line out through it or a data center next door. For us we'd have to move somewhere that is uninhabitable by most everyone and any company. We're ok with that since we're self employed and don't need to be near anything important. But damn yourself if you want to live where there is open land because that won't be the case long.

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True. The thing we have going for us is that the barrier of entry to build anything where we are is very high. We literally live on a ridge with arroyos and canyons on either side and back up to a state park. There is really no way to build anything industrial where we are which is why we moved there. It took an act of God just to get our one street neighborhood build a decade ago that we are moving into.

It's extreme NIMBYism where we are going and I'm all for it. You can't even build a two story house where we are going.

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My mountain property in Nevada is at the top of a 4-Wheel Drive trail and you have to be in 4x4 to get there.

The major barrier to development is the fact that Nevada requires you to drill a water well which I've been quoted $75,000 to do.

The second barrier is the steeply sloped terrain.

But the uninterrupted view for 10 miles across the Washoe Valley is incredible. Especially when Mt. Rose Ski Resort is covered in snow.

HollywoodBQ said:

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YouBet said:

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If I was dictator, I would outlaw gas blowers as my first edict.

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By dictator, you mean - Gavin Newsom

A fun read - The Los Angeles Leaf Blower Wars
https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/585-the-los-angeles-leaf-blower-wars/

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Yes, that is a fun read. I fully support Los Angeles in their war against the gas leaf blower. They didn't exist when I was growing up. Rake it or sweep it. That's what we did.

I could not care less about the fumes from it. It's the noise. Completely unacceptable. Maybe someone can invent a much quieter leaf blower if necessity forces the issue.

Also, that article says EV blowers are just as loud and I would disagree to some extent. Just to expose my own partial hypocrisy, I own an EVGo leaf blower. It has two modes and I use it very sparingly and in very short bursts. It's not nearly as loud as a full blown gas blower if you are using the default mode.

My issue is that I believe leaf blowers are so ubiquitous for lawn crews that they use them out of habit whether they are needed or not. I literally watch the lawn crews around us blow nothing. The only trees here are palm trees. There are no leaves and many people don't even have grass. I sat on my porch the other day and watched a guy blow nothing but air for about 10 minutes across the way on my neighbor's 100% hardscaped back yard.

Jbob04 said:

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You must live in the city where these aren't being built. Us country folks don't want them.

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If you want the US to remain #1 in its economy, its military power and still have jobs you will learn to like them.

No thanks. I'm not listening to someone who lives on a quarter acre lot in Austin.

HTownAg98 said:

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The water use thing has been overblown. The energy use is a different matter. The thing is that a lot of these data centers want to have their energy use behind the meter. But it's going to take permitting reform by Congress to get it done. And the issue with that is neither party wants to do something where if they do it, the other side comes out of it looking good as well. So everyone loses with higher utility bills. Yay Congress.

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No, it really isn't. Especially when most data centers are located in an area that is already overdrawn on water.

And if data centers aren't nearly the big deal that some here claim them to be, I want to start seeing them planted in the middle of master planned communities and neighborhoods. I mean, no big deal, right?

schmellba99 said:

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And if data centers aren't nearly the big deal that some here claim them to be, I want to start seeing them planted in the middle of master planned communities and neighborhoods. I mean, no big deal, right?

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Right. If you don't want a data center next to you, then make sure you own the land you don't want one on.

schmellba99 said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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The water use thing has been overblown. The energy use is a different matter. The thing is that a lot of these data centers want to have their energy use behind the meter. But it's going to take permitting reform by Congress to get it done. And the issue with that is neither party wants to do something where if they do it, the other side comes out of it looking good as well. So everyone loses with higher utility bills. Yay Congress.

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No, it really isn't. Especially when most data centers are located in an area that is already overdrawn on water.

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Conflicting info on this as of late. It sounds like the newer designs don't use near the water that older designs may have due to recycling. Still seems like stress on systems that are already at risk due to drought and water shortages which are now happening across most of the country.

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schmellba99 said:

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And if data centers aren't nearly the big deal that some here claim them to be, I want to start seeing them planted in the middle of master planned communities and neighborhoods. I mean, no big deal, right?

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Right. If you don't want a data center next to you, then make sure you own the land you don't want one on.

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It's early, but congrats on the dumbest post of the day so far!!

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FWTXAg said:

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schmellba99 said:

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And if data centers aren't nearly the big deal that some here claim them to be, I want to start seeing them planted in the middle of master planned communities and neighborhoods. I mean, no big deal, right?

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Right. If you don't want a data center next to you, then make sure you own the land you don't want one on.

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It's early, but congrats on the dumbest post of the day so far!!

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Congrats on being every bit as Liberal as any Democrat in the world. Private property rights are the foundation of conservatism.

If you check my post on this thread, you will see my fight is with commissioners and tax abatements, not property owners. You seem to struggle with reading comprehension.

BrazosDog02 said:

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What sucks is that when you move, you never know how long it will remain as you bought it. Thats what irritates me. Lots of folks buy land and then in 2 years gets a damn power line out through it or a data center next door. For us we'd have to move somewhere that is uninhabitable by most everyone and any company. We're ok with that since we're self employed and don't need to be near anything important. But damn yourself if you want to live where there is open land because that won't be the case long.

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I look forward to the whole state being under the authority of an HOA.

Said no one ever.

YouBet said:

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I sat on my porch the other day and watched a guy blow nothing but air for about 10 minutes across the way on my neighbor's 100% hardscaped back yard.

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Gotta get those billable hours and show the customer how hard you're working - LOL

I don't know - I think true greenies are against it but their message is not being amplified by big tech, hence no one hears it.

As I have stated before, big tech has waved its magic wand and made natural gas generation and data centers ok for the environment.

schmellba99 said:

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And if data centers aren't nearly the big deal that some here claim them to be, I want to start seeing them planted in the middle of master planned communities and neighborhoods. I mean, no big deal, right?

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During the dot.com era and subsequent meltdown, I lived in the Master Planned Community of Highlands Ranch, Colorado.

Data centers weren't a big deal then and they were almost always built on inexpensive land along Colorado's Front Range.

Highlands Ranch did a great job of having office spaces, schools, residential, retail, worship spaces and lots of open spaces mixed in.

You could certainly put a data center in the middle of a master planned community like Highlands Ranch however, it wouldn't be a good economic decision. Which is why data centers will continue to pop up in rural areas where land is cheap and they have access to reliable power and can create physical security. It's not like it's a petrochemical plant where a data spill could potentially kill people in the surrounding neighborhoods.

Frankly, I'm not sure what all the uproar is about.

Other than people interacting with their phones and finally figuring out how governments lure in businesses via tax breaks.

BREAKING: Half of planned US data center builds have been delayed or canceled

— Hedgeye (@Hedgeye) April 29, 2026

They're going to end up concentrated in business friendly states. Lib states will suffer from a lack of compute.

They ought to be mandated to produce their own energy and feed any excess back into the grid.

samurai_science said:

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BREAKING: Half of planned US data center builds have been delayed or canceled

— Hedgeye (@Hedgeye) April 29, 2026

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GOOD

Thunderstruck xx said:

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samurai_science said:

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BREAKING: Half of planned US data center builds have been delayed or canceled

— Hedgeye (@Hedgeye) April 29, 2026

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GOOD

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feels like another dot com bubble in the making

Thunderstruck xx said:

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samurai_science said:

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BREAKING: Half of planned US data center builds have been delayed or canceled

— Hedgeye (@Hedgeye) April 29, 2026

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GOOD

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Depends on the why.

Quote:

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Just another dot com bubble in the making

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We'll see but does have the same feel to it as someone who lived through it.

aggiehawg said:

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Just another dot com bubble in the making

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We'll see but does have the same feel to it as someone who lived through it.

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They can't all be profitable.

Thunderstruck xx said:

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samurai_science said:

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BREAKING: Half of planned US data center builds have been delayed or canceled

— Hedgeye (@Hedgeye) April 29, 2026

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GOOD

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Meh. Not really. Just a little supply shortage. Nothing is stopping.

MAROON said:

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Thunderstruck xx said:

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samurai_science said:

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BREAKING: Half of planned US data center builds have been delayed or canceled

— Hedgeye (@Hedgeye) April 29, 2026

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GOOD

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feels like another dot com bubble in the making

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I think it has more to do with this.

https://instagr.am/p/DX_cmayNKu4

Just found out one is planned for construction about 2 miles from my deer lease.

I absolutely HATE that i am now going to have to spend my free time fighting a fuggin data center being put in a place it doesnt belong. F these things.

Texarkana said:

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I don't know - I think true greenies are against it but their message is not being amplified by big tech, hence no one hears it.

As I have stated before, big tech has waved its magic wand and made natural gas generation and data centers ok for the environment.

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Climate Change doesn't exist anymore. Liberals ought to feel like they were duped, but they can't figure it out. Too much bandwidth required.

schmellba99 said:

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Just found out one is planned for construction about 2 miles from my deer lease.

I absolutely HATE that i am now going to have to spend my free time fighting a fuggin data center being put in a place it doesnt belong. F these things.

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You and I both are on the same page. F--- these things.

The good news is that there is nothing to fight except the tax abatements. At least its not your home. And, at two miles away, you probably won't always hear the chillers and HVAC unless the wind is right. You will hear the low rumble that sounds like a distant train from the vibrating equipment though. You will see the lights though. It will be a glowing dome.

The bad news is that once the infrastructure for one of these centers is in place, the door swings wide open for more data centers, development, etc. That's usually the bottleneck.

In my county, we've lost about 9,000 acres to these and I think another 10,000 acres is slated to begin construction.

I don't know how to keep them from happening since we can't dictate who anyone sells to.

We can, however, take a page from the Republican playbook and regulate the ever loving dog **** out of them for light, noise, environmental impacts. And a page from the liberal playbook over environmental impact and fine the **** out of them.

If you had asked me 10 years ago "what is going to be the biggest nuisance in your lifetime moving forward"? I would have never ever ever thought data center would be it.

I'm trying to think of all the things that annoy me about our ranches and maybe a few nuisance neighbors on the rare occasion but never "a 200 acre **** box warehouse that ruins the peaceful evening and lights up the night sky for no less than 5 miles" just was not on my radar.

The worst part of that this land is lost forever. I fully believe this data center thing will pop, or at least in 5-10 years require way less space and equipment and then we'll be left with failing buildings and 10,000 square foot spirit Halloween buildings.