DeschutesAg said:

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https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5868335-trump-iran-peace-proposal-backlash/

Interesting article. It discusses the debate going on right now inside Trump circles on the two exit options.

One faction inside the Trump regime and its bmd's think we should make a deal with the current regime.

The other faction is insisting we must keep the blockade and sanction pressure on and continue the threat and use of our military power to force the current regime to collapse or be overthrown, followed by regime change, and the new regime must be a regime we can trust or we won't end the blockade.

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Second option.... But include another bombing campaign

The first option is a loss, Iran will not honor any deal made

Gigem314 said:

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Haleyscomet50 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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What objective and agenda Trump is really trying to accomplish?

It probably ultimately boils down to self-aggrandizement.

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How is bombing Iran and risking political clout over military action and higher gas prices "self-aggrandizement"?

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Trump is doing what his donors wanted him to do. Nothing more nothing less. He has lost and is trying to salvaged some sort of victory. He didn't risk political clout he lost it all. Trump is going to do what's best for him we know this war wasn't good for Americans so something has to be in it for Trump. Donors paid and we got what we got.

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And you actually believe all this?

Saying the United States "lost" by destroying Iran's nuclear facilities, decimating most of their leadership, and weakening their military…is quite the take. And all because Trump's donors wanted it. Maybe it was the aliens that told him to.

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If we make a deal with them than we did lose

My goodness you're so negative.

2026NCAggies said:

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Gigem314 said:

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Haleyscomet50 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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What objective and agenda Trump is really trying to accomplish?

It probably ultimately boils down to self-aggrandizement.

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How is bombing Iran and risking political clout over military action and higher gas prices "self-aggrandizement"?

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Trump is doing what his donors wanted him to do. Nothing more nothing less. He has lost and is trying to salvaged some sort of victory. He didn't risk political clout he lost it all. Trump is going to do what's best for him we know this war wasn't good for Americans so something has to be in it for Trump. Donors paid and we got what we got.

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And you actually believe all this?

Saying the United States "lost" by destroying Iran's nuclear facilities, decimating most of their leadership, and weakening their military…is quite the take. And all because Trump's donors wanted it. Maybe it was the aliens that told him to.

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If we make a deal with them than we did lose

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This is ridiculous. We killed their leadership and have set their capabilities to do mass destruction back massively, all without a ground presence. And if we need to do it again in a year or two, we can. This is how we should have handled Iraq

DeschutesAg said:

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https://www.axios.com/2026/05/06/iran-us-deal-one-page-memo

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The White House believes it's getting close to an agreement with Iran on a one-page memorandum of understanding to end the war and set a framework for more detailed nuclear negotiations, according to two U.S. officials and two other sources briefed on the issue.

The big picture: The U.S. expects Iranian responses on several key points in the next 48 hours. Nothing has been agreed yet, but the sources said this was the closest the parties had been to an agreement since the war began.

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Among other provisions, the deal would involve Iran committing to a moratorium on nuclear enrichment, the U.S. agreeing to lift its sanctions and release billions in frozen Iranian funds, and both sides lifting restrictions around transit through the Strait of Hormuz.

Many of the terms laid out in the memo would be contingent on a final agreement being reached, leaving the possibility of renewed war or an extended limbo in which the hot war has stopped but nothing is truly resolved.

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Behind the scenes: The one-page, 14-point memorandum of understanding (MOU) is being negotiated between Trump's envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner and several Iranian officials, both directly and through mediators.

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The duration of the moratorium on uranium enrichment is being actively negotiated, with three sources saying it would be at least 12 years and one putting 15 as a likely landing spot. Iran proposed a 5-year moratorium on enrichment and the U.S. demanded 20.

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More info is inside the article at the link.

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So the same deal Obama got, except Trump will be giving them around 35 billion dollars and lifted sanctions on top of it

Nice one Trump

2026NCAggies said:

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Gigem314 said:

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Haleyscomet50 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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What objective and agenda Trump is really trying to accomplish?

It probably ultimately boils down to self-aggrandizement.

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How is bombing Iran and risking political clout over military action and higher gas prices "self-aggrandizement"?

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Trump is doing what his donors wanted him to do. Nothing more nothing less. He has lost and is trying to salvaged some sort of victory. He didn't risk political clout he lost it all. Trump is going to do what's best for him we know this war wasn't good for Americans so something has to be in it for Trump. Donors paid and we got what we got.

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And you actually believe all this?

Saying the United States "lost" by destroying Iran's nuclear facilities, decimating most of their leadership, and weakening their military…is quite the take. And all because Trump's donors wanted it. Maybe it was the aliens that told him to.

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If we make a deal with them than we did lose

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Iran losing its nuclear facilities, most of its leadership, navy, major portions of its military means they win and the U.S. loses. Some of you really need to let the TDS go.

DannyDuberstein said:

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2026NCAggies said:

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Gigem314 said:

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Haleyscomet50 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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What objective and agenda Trump is really trying to accomplish?

It probably ultimately boils down to self-aggrandizement.

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How is bombing Iran and risking political clout over military action and higher gas prices "self-aggrandizement"?

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Trump is doing what his donors wanted him to do. Nothing more nothing less. He has lost and is trying to salvaged some sort of victory. He didn't risk political clout he lost it all. Trump is going to do what's best for him we know this war wasn't good for Americans so something has to be in it for Trump. Donors paid and we got what we got.

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And you actually believe all this?

Saying the United States "lost" by destroying Iran's nuclear facilities, decimating most of their leadership, and weakening their military…is quite the take. And all because Trump's donors wanted it. Maybe it was the aliens that told him to.

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If we make a deal with them than we did lose

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This is ridiculous. We killed their leadership and have set their capabilities to do mass destruction back massively, all without a ground presence. And if we need to do it again in a year or two, we can. This is how we should have handled Iraq

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Lol it is obvious killing their leaders did nothing at all, so that is not a win

China and Russia will help them get back to where they were in regards to missiles and drones, it won't take long at all

With 35 billion that we are going to hand them, they can have their missile and drone facilities up in running in no time

DannyDuberstein said:

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2026NCAggies said:

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Gigem314 said:

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Haleyscomet50 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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What objective and agenda Trump is really trying to accomplish?

It probably ultimately boils down to self-aggrandizement.

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How is bombing Iran and risking political clout over military action and higher gas prices "self-aggrandizement"?

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Trump is doing what his donors wanted him to do. Nothing more nothing less. He has lost and is trying to salvaged some sort of victory. He didn't risk political clout he lost it all. Trump is going to do what's best for him we know this war wasn't good for Americans so something has to be in it for Trump. Donors paid and we got what we got.

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And you actually believe all this?

Saying the United States "lost" by destroying Iran's nuclear facilities, decimating most of their leadership, and weakening their military…is quite the take. And all because Trump's donors wanted it. Maybe it was the aliens that told him to.

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If we make a deal with them than we did lose

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This is ridiculous. We killed their leadership and have set their capabilities to do mass destruction back massively, all without a ground presence. And if we need to do it again in a year or two, we can. This is how we should have handled Iraq

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We could have cleared out every radical in the country and installed a new govt and they'd still be saying that we lost. Because they need Trump to lose.

Agree. It is so laughably transparent.

Gigem314 said:

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2026NCAggies said:

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Gigem314 said:

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Haleyscomet50 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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What objective and agenda Trump is really trying to accomplish?

It probably ultimately boils down to self-aggrandizement.

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How is bombing Iran and risking political clout over military action and higher gas prices "self-aggrandizement"?

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Trump is doing what his donors wanted him to do. Nothing more nothing less. He has lost and is trying to salvaged some sort of victory. He didn't risk political clout he lost it all. Trump is going to do what's best for him we know this war wasn't good for Americans so something has to be in it for Trump. Donors paid and we got what we got.

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And you actually believe all this?

Saying the United States "lost" by destroying Iran's nuclear facilities, decimating most of their leadership, and weakening their military…is quite the take. And all because Trump's donors wanted it. Maybe it was the aliens that told him to.

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If we make a deal with them than we did lose

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Iran losing its nuclear facilities, most of its leadership, navy, major portions of its military means they win and the U.S. loses. Some of you really need to let the TDS go.

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They lost their nuke facilities or are they just buried? Like midnight hammer destroyed them right? Leadership does not matter, it is obvious by now. Major portions of its military? lol like I said above, $35 billion and with Russia and China's help, they will be back to where they were in no time with regards to Drones and missiles

Their Navy and air force did nothing, so it is meaningless to even mention them.

There is no such thing as permanently destroying nuclear facilities. They can always be built or rebuilt. But these are ****ed for a long stretch as of now and we can always re-**** them, something we should have been doing years and years ago. We let that go for decades too long. Finally someone is actually doing something meaningful about it. And if we have to bomb them or some new location again, so be it.

I think his personal motivation is to keep NYC from being nuked. I like that motivation.

So this is not a US/Iran thing with you, it's a Trump thing. Try going along with America for once.

Gigem314 said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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2026NCAggies said:

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Gigem314 said:

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Haleyscomet50 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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What objective and agenda Trump is really trying to accomplish?

It probably ultimately boils down to self-aggrandizement.

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How is bombing Iran and risking political clout over military action and higher gas prices "self-aggrandizement"?

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Trump is doing what his donors wanted him to do. Nothing more nothing less. He has lost and is trying to salvaged some sort of victory. He didn't risk political clout he lost it all. Trump is going to do what's best for him we know this war wasn't good for Americans so something has to be in it for Trump. Donors paid and we got what we got.

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And you actually believe all this?

Saying the United States "lost" by destroying Iran's nuclear facilities, decimating most of their leadership, and weakening their military…is quite the take. And all because Trump's donors wanted it. Maybe it was the aliens that told him to.

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If we make a deal with them than we did lose

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This is ridiculous. We killed their leadership and have set their capabilities to do mass destruction back massively, all without a ground presence. And if we need to do it again in a year or two, we can. This is how we should have handled Iraq

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We could have cleared out every radical in the country and installed a new govt and they'd still be saying that we lost. Because they need Trump to lose.

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Actually regime change is winning, good for you, you figured out what I wanted......

That crap deal is not winning period. Ask Jack Keane and every other military expert on Fox

And I voted for Trump 3 times and would a 4th time

Now is not the time for a deal. We need to keep the blockade, open the strait and let Israel go back to bombing them. While that is going on we need to arm the population

Funny to see people wring their hands about how awful of a decision Iraq was for the last 20 years, only to turn around and beg for the same gameplan in Iran now.

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So this is not a US/Iran thing with you, it's a Trump thing. Try going along with America for once.

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I love Trump but right now he looks like a fool negotiating with these lunatics

DannyDuberstein said:

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Funny to see people wring their hands about how awful of a decision Iraq was for the last 20 years, only to turn around and beg for the same gameplan in Iran now.

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How is keeping the blockade, opening the strait, bombing them again and arming their population another Iraq?

And you mow the grass in regards to their uranium

2026NCAggies said:

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Rockdoc said:

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So this is not a US/Iran thing with you, it's a Trump thing. Try going along with America for once.

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I love Trump but right now he looks like a fool negotiating with these lunatics

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Well nobody is going to make you happy here. Perhaps call Trump and tell him you have a better idea.

Gigem314 said:

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2026NCAggies said:

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Gigem314 said:

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Haleyscomet50 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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What objective and agenda Trump is really trying to accomplish?

It probably ultimately boils down to self-aggrandizement.

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How is bombing Iran and risking political clout over military action and higher gas prices "self-aggrandizement"?

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Trump is doing what his donors wanted him to do. Nothing more nothing less. He has lost and is trying to salvaged some sort of victory. He didn't risk political clout he lost it all. Trump is going to do what's best for him we know this war wasn't good for Americans so something has to be in it for Trump. Donors paid and we got what we got.

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And you actually believe all this?

Saying the United States "lost" by destroying Iran's nuclear facilities, decimating most of their leadership, and weakening their military…is quite the take. And all because Trump's donors wanted it. Maybe it was the aliens that told him to.

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If we make a deal with them than we did lose

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Iran losing its nuclear facilities, most of its leadership, navy, major portions of its military means they win and the U.S. loses. Some of you really need to let the TDS go.

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I thought we destroyed a lot of Iran's nuclear facilities last June. Did they fix it all that fast?

You said you wanted regime change. That is a fool's errand in the mideast. Getting the strait open and the uranium is what he's trying to do. They can terrorize the strait regardless of blockade or regime change.

The only realistic goals with Iran ever are to keep setting their nuclear capability back (and in no scenario will it ever be forever) and keep the strait open. The former has absolutely been accomplished but we are trying to push it even further, and the 2nd will ultimately take a negotiated end as it is easily terrorized.

And in the meantime, I like to see these neighboring countries motivated to mitigate reliance on the strait. Build those pipelines, people. Find alternative supply

2026NCAggies said:

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Gigem314 said:

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2026NCAggies said:

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Gigem314 said:

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Haleyscomet50 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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What objective and agenda Trump is really trying to accomplish?

It probably ultimately boils down to self-aggrandizement.

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How is bombing Iran and risking political clout over military action and higher gas prices "self-aggrandizement"?

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Trump is doing what his donors wanted him to do. Nothing more nothing less. He has lost and is trying to salvaged some sort of victory. He didn't risk political clout he lost it all. Trump is going to do what's best for him we know this war wasn't good for Americans so something has to be in it for Trump. Donors paid and we got what we got.

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And you actually believe all this?

Saying the United States "lost" by destroying Iran's nuclear facilities, decimating most of their leadership, and weakening their military…is quite the take. And all because Trump's donors wanted it. Maybe it was the aliens that told him to.

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If we make a deal with them than we did lose

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Iran losing its nuclear facilities, most of its leadership, navy, major portions of its military means they win and the U.S. loses. Some of you really need to let the TDS go.

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They lost their nuke facilities or are they just buried? Like midnight hammer destroyed them right? Leadership does not matter, it is obvious by now. Major portions of its military? lol like I said above, $35 billion and with Russia and China's help, they will be back to where they were in no time with regards to Drones and missiles

Their Navy and air force did nothing, so it is meaningless to even mention them.

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That's a lot of mental gymnastics so spin this as a win for the Iranians. They've been set back years, not months. Russia can't even conquer Ukraine, but they're going to get Iran back and running?

Listen to yourselves. It's wild.

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Trump is enjoying an 84% approval rating amongst his supporters, down from 85% this time in 2018. And that's according to CNN.

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Saying Trump has strong approval among people who strongly approve of him is a meaningless tautology.

texaglurkerguy said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Trump is enjoying an 84% approval rating amongst his supporters, down from 85% this time in 2018. And that's according to CNN.

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Saying Trump has strong approval among people who strongly approve of him is a meaningless tautology.

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In response to people saying Trump hast lost tons of support over Epstein, economy is relevant and exposing their lies.

Outside of that, I have no idea why you responded disregarding any and all context. Bizarre.

Haleyscomet50 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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What objective and agenda Trump is really trying to accomplish?

It probably ultimately boils down to self-aggrandizement.

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How is bombing Iran and risking political clout over military action and higher gas prices "self-aggrandizement"?

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Trump is doing what his donors wanted him to do. Nothing more nothing less. He has lost and is trying to salvaged some sort of victory. He didn't risk political clout he lost it all. Trump is going to do what's best for him we know this war wasn't good for Americans so something has to be in it for Trump. Donors paid and we got what we got.

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He has hit multiple home runs in his second term, and is easily one of the top 5 greatest Presidents the USA has ever had.

This isn't 2020. Floyd is dead & buried so he can't hurt another human being. COVID is over. The TDS schtick from that period is so old, move on.