Corpus water problems getting a reprieve

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Buck Turgidson said:

There is no long term solution other than Desal Plant(s). Everybody knows this. BUILD THE ******* PLANT. If the worry about salinity is legit, seems like you can fix that by extending an outflow pipe out into the actual ocean. Every day these inept tards delay construction just makes the pain worse. Bunch of ****ing ostriches.

The problem is cost. Evidently, it is crazy expensive to run a pipeline into the Gulf.


Well, it was apparently feasible to build a pipeline from Bay City to CC, so cost shouldn't be the deciding factor.

You do realize that it is significantly different in terms of construction equipment, cost, etc. to run a pipeline on land versus one literally underwater, right?
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schmellba99 said:

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And speaking of the brine discharge from the desal plants, I don't know what sources to believe.

Some say it's devastating to the local ecology and others that it's no big deal because the brine is quickly diluted to relatively normal levels.


Depends where it's deposited

If it's dumped in the bay, yep, disaster

If it's dumped offshore, no problem. See Isreal

Incorrect.

Even in the bay, the salinity increases for about ~100 yards around the discharge point and then quickly dissipates. And inside that 100 yard zone aquatic life isn't killed off, much of it thrives on the higher saline environment.

Now, if you dumped enough volume into a small bay with relatively low tidal exchange, then sure, you could possibly have some noticeable negative effects. But that isn't the case with CC Bay.


Welp, you convinced me

Build the MFer
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Good luck fighting for that East TX water. Dallas already trying to take. Folks out there are fighting it for sure.
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A1_Ag_95 said:

Good luck fighting for that East TX water. Dallas already trying to take. Folks out there are fighting it for sure.


This. DFW already has dibs on most of that. Dallas actually had to pay out millions to the Army Corps of Engineers for Lake Fork because of some mismanagement by Dallas. I don't recall the particulars. Engineers used the money to build out recreation areas and a large marina at Fork. All that to say the locals are not going to be amenable to giving away their water to the far reaches of south Texas.
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Let's take a snapshot look at recent events. A month ago, we were looking at running out of water and severe curtailment around September-November or so.

The only solution available for new water sources in that timeframe is groundwater. But thanks to a judge's opinion on Evangeline water, the protesters of the drilling permits were found to have standing, which would have forced project delays until after the fall threshold for running out of water by sending the protests to an evidentiary hearing which could take months if not years.

Only a couple weeks after that, the skies open and significant water is flowing into the lake reservoirs. This should by the city the time to deal with the protests and get groundwater online. The groundwater will buy the city time to get desal online.

I see this coincidence of events as sign of divine intervention and answer to MANY prayers over the last couple of years as we have endured this drought. Praise be to God!

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American Hardwood said:

Let's take a snapshot look at recent events. A month ago, we were looking at running out of water and severe curtailment around September-November or so.

The only solution available for new water sources in that timeframe is groundwater. But thanks to a judge's opinion on Evangeline water, the protesters of the drilling permits were found to have standing, which would have forced project delays until after the fall threshold for running out of water by sending the protests to an evidentiary hearing which could take months if not years.

Only a couple weeks after that, the skies open and significant water is flowing into the lake reservoirs. This should by the city the time to deal with the protests and get groundwater online. The groundwater will buy the city time to get desal online.

I see this coincidence of events as sign of divine intervention and answer to MANY prayers over the last couple of years as we have endured this drought. Praise be to God!




Maybe so. The problem is that you still have moronic humans in Corpus Christi who can, and likely will, squander this opportunity.

Jokes aside, I'm glad they got the rain so just don't f* it up.
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YouBet said:

American Hardwood said:

Let's take a snapshot look at recent events. A month ago, we were looking at running out of water and severe curtailment around September-November or so.

The only solution available for new water sources in that timeframe is groundwater. But thanks to a judge's opinion on Evangeline water, the protesters of the drilling permits were found to have standing, which would have forced project delays until after the fall threshold for running out of water by sending the protests to an evidentiary hearing which could take months if not years.

Only a couple weeks after that, the skies open and significant water is flowing into the lake reservoirs. This should by the city the time to deal with the protests and get groundwater online. The groundwater will buy the city time to get desal online.

I see this coincidence of events as sign of divine intervention and answer to MANY prayers over the last couple of years as we have endured this drought. Praise be to God!




Maybe so. The problem is that you still have moronic humans in Corpus Christi who can, and likely will, squander this opportunity.

Jokes aside, I'm glad they got the rain so just don't f* it up.


In this case, CC is showing some balls by proceeding with the well field construction even with the drilling permit protest looming. That's a level of risk taking that suggests they are serious about getting this supply pushed through. There is a lot of criticism you can throw around about the past to get us here, but the folks in place now are laser focused on this problem.
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What's your contact info? Would love to pick your brain on this.
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I'm working on a project now to take treated wastewater effluent - from a municipal waste treatment plant in CC - and further treat it to be used in industrial applications. I think most industrial users in CC - that use roughly 50% of the city's supply - have been told to find other sources.
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Captain Pablo said:

schmellba99 said:

Captain Pablo said:

TarponChaser said:

And speaking of the brine discharge from the desal plants, I don't know what sources to believe.

Some say it's devastating to the local ecology and others that it's no big deal because the brine is quickly diluted to relatively normal levels.


Depends where it's deposited

If it's dumped in the bay, yep, disaster

If it's dumped offshore, no problem. See Isreal

Incorrect.

Even in the bay, the salinity increases for about ~100 yards around the discharge point and then quickly dissipates. And inside that 100 yard zone aquatic life isn't killed off, much of it thrives on the higher saline environment.

Now, if you dumped enough volume into a small bay with relatively low tidal exchange, then sure, you could possibly have some noticeable negative effects. But that isn't the case with CC Bay.


Welp, you convinced me

Build the MFer

It's like I'm Obi Wan talking to the storm troopers. I'm just that good!
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The Nueces is still way up at 3R, and is flood stage at Tilden

L. Corpus should continue to come up
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American Hardwood said:

Let's take a snapshot look at recent events. A month ago, we were looking at running out of water and severe curtailment around September-November or so.

The only solution available for new water sources in that timeframe is groundwater. But thanks to a judge's opinion on Evangeline water, the protesters of the drilling permits were found to have standing, which would have forced project delays until after the fall threshold for running out of water by sending the protests to an evidentiary hearing which could take months if not years.

Only a couple weeks after that, the skies open and significant water is flowing into the lake reservoirs. This should by the city the time to deal with the protests and get groundwater online. The groundwater will buy the city time to get desal online.

I see this coincidence of events as sign of divine intervention and answer to MANY prayers over the last couple of years as we have endured this drought. Praise be to God!




This storm was a life boat, with a slow leak

They still need to get to work on a long term solution, because the lifeboat WILL sink

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Conroe_Ag_8 said:

What's your contact info? Would love to pick your brain on this.

schmellba at yahoo.com
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A1_Ag_95 said:

Good luck fighting for that East TX water. Dallas already trying to take. Folks out there are fighting it for sure.

Dallas will keep dibs on the water up North but the overflow is down South between Port Arthur and Houston where they almost never have water issues. You can't get that water to go back upstream and hundreds of feet in elevation but you may be able to divert it South. Very challenging either way though.
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Quick update:

Lake Corpus up to 17%, Texana at 93% and rising fast, Choke Canyon only up to 7.6% though.

Still haven't heard any argument as to why we aren't doing everything we can to get houses and businesses to use rainwater catchment systems. They get 30 inches of rain per year in Corpus on average that's a boatload of water that could be stored and take strain off the system. Instead they are pushing rainwater barrels that do almost nothing except virtue signal.
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Why does DFW need water from East Texas? There are lakes all over the metroplex. Some of them are BIG reservoirs

Joe Pool
Arlington
Benbrook
Worth
Eagle Mountain
Grapevine
Lewisville
Ray Roberts
Lavon
Ray Hubbard
Tawakoni

Probably missing several

Is that not enough water?

Houston has ONE lake. Two if you count Conroe
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I would count Conroe doing CoH paid for half of it
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Kenneth_2003 said:

I would count Conroe doing CoH paid for half of it


Sure, but that's not really my point, other than Houston has far fewer lakes than DFW

There are lakes all over DFW. Why would they need to pull water from East Texas?
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aggie93 said:

Quick update:

Lake Corpus up to 17%, Texana at 93% and rising fast, Choke Canyon only up to 7.6% though.

Still haven't heard any argument as to why we aren't doing everything we can to get houses and businesses to use rainwater catchment systems. They get 30 inches of rain per year in Corpus on average that's a boatload of water that could be stored and take strain off the system. Instead they are pushing rainwater barrels that do almost nothing except virtue signal.

I would severely berate any neighbor using these barrels, otherwise known as mosquito farms.

I don't think capturing rainwater is a feasible answer. I mean that's what ground and surface water sources already are (I know that's not what you meant). But what you CAN do is capture condensate. In a way, we do that to a certain degree as it ends up in the sanitary system, generally speaking, so it becomes available as wastewater for those that can use it. But it is pure water that can be consumed if there was a realistic way to collect it separate from sanitary systems.

A great example is a project I am working on that requires pretty much 24 hour running AC systems from a central plant that utilizes an evaporative cooling tower. The condensate that will be captured (100% outside air requirement) and recycled to the cooling tower supply which is sufficient for up to 90% of the water usage on a design day when the environment is warm enough and humid enough, which in Corpus Christi is dang near most of the time. This will save hundreds if not thousands of gallons per day of potable water from the city source which would otherwise be evaporated away.

I also capture water from a de-humidifier which is sufficient on a daily basis to keep my potted plants watered without having to turn on the hose. It is amazing how much water is in the air.
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I think rainwater catchment is feasible if you plan for it on the front end of a new build. Maybe not so much after the fact. House we just moved into has two underground cisterns that are fed from rainwater directed off of the roof down into drains that then feed the cisterns. Pretty damn cool.
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Captain Pablo said:

Kenneth_2003 said:

I would count Conroe doing CoH paid for half of it


Sure, but that's not really my point, other than Houston has far fewer lakes than DFW

There are lakes all over DFW. Why would they need to pull water from East Texas?


Because, shockingly, DFW was actually planning ahead for growth and local lakes weren't enough. There are 8M+ people there now and zero natural barriers to growth going any direction because they are sitting in the middle of the plains. They keep growing like they are and they will need all of it.
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Captain Pablo said:

American Hardwood said:

Let's take a snapshot look at recent events. A month ago, we were looking at running out of water and severe curtailment around September-November or so.

The only solution available for new water sources in that timeframe is groundwater. But thanks to a judge's opinion on Evangeline water, the protesters of the drilling permits were found to have standing, which would have forced project delays until after the fall threshold for running out of water by sending the protests to an evidentiary hearing which could take months if not years.

Only a couple weeks after that, the skies open and significant water is flowing into the lake reservoirs. This should by the city the time to deal with the protests and get groundwater online. The groundwater will buy the city time to get desal online.

I see this coincidence of events as sign of divine intervention and answer to MANY prayers over the last couple of years as we have endured this drought. Praise be to God!




This storm was a life boat, with a slow leak

They still need to get to work on a long term solution, because the lifeboat WILL sink




Now that it's rained, we'll deal with it mañana! But for now, let's direct earmarked grant money to someone who bribed me! .
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YouBet said:

I think rainwater catchment is feasible if you plan for it on the front end of a new build. Maybe not so much after the fact. House we just moved into has two underground cisterns that are fed from rainwater directed off of the roof down into drains that then feed the cisterns. Pretty damn cool.


Just did a conversion on my existing house. I grossly undersized my capture storage. I will be fixing that very soon. This stormy period could have kept my landscape going all through July and August had I been able to capture more of it.
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Funny, but that's not happening.
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Yeah, for new construction it can be done at small scale to offset domestic use. I suppose you would be watering your plants with it because it isn't suitable for consumption without treatment. That's the rub at larger scale.

Imagine how much water is run through the storm sewers during a rain event. But that water is filthy and treatment is expensive.
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It always happens. Always.

I used to think Corpus was the most corrupt city in Texas, but my wife is from the RGV and those cities say, "Hey Korpitos! Hold my cerveza!"

I promise you it's happening. Just follow the money.

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Rainwater from a roof is very easy to make potable. You use a first flush system, dark storage tanks, a filtering system, and reverse osmosis.

The Texas A&M Extension has a great resource on this:

https://rainwaterharvesting.tamu.edu/

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Okay if you are just making a generalization, but it sounded like maybe you intended to make a specific charge regarding grant money, in which case, I'd like the details.
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You need to learn about "mosquito dunkers". It's Bt in a small doughnut looking form. A tiny chunk will treat a 5 gallon bucket and a whole one will treat a 55 gallon barrel. If you don't let the bucket/barrel totally dry out the Bt will survive until the next filling.
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aggie93 said:

Quick update:

Lake Corpus up to 17%, Texana at 93% and rising fast, Choke Canyon only up to 7.6% though.

Still haven't heard any argument as to why we aren't doing everything we can to get houses and businesses to use rainwater catchment systems. They get 30 inches of rain per year in Corpus on average that's a boatload of water that could be stored and take strain off the system. Instead they are pushing rainwater barrels that do almost nothing except virtue signal.

Tell me, where would you install these catchment systems in established neighborhoods or business districts?
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YouBet said:

Captain Pablo said:

Kenneth_2003 said:

I would count Conroe doing CoH paid for half of it


Sure, but that's not really my point, other than Houston has far fewer lakes than DFW

There are lakes all over DFW. Why would they need to pull water from East Texas?


Because, shockingly, DFW was actually planning ahead for growth and local lakes weren't enough. There are 8M+ people there now and zero natural barriers to growth going any direction because they are sitting in the middle of the plains. They keep growing like they are and they will need all of it.

The Texas lege mandated all metro areas develop a long term water plan about 20 years ago. It's why San Antonio has the Vista Ridge pipeline that pumps water from near Caldwell all the way to the SAWS system. It's why the City of Houston constructed the Caper's Ridge pump station and pipeline that pumps water from the Trinity to Luce's Bayou/Lake Houston and spent $2B on a new water purification plant and distribution system for the entire north and west side of Houston and Harris County. Its why Corpus already has the Mary Rhode's pipeline from Texana and is looking to develop more water sources.

DFW and Houston have more access to water and it's easier for them to get it versus say San Antonio or Corpus. It takes longer by default for places like that to develop plans tht pass muster and then get those plans approved by voters and funded. Both of the last two of which are damn difficult to do when you have folks like those running Corpus in charge that just seem to step on their dicks every chance they get.
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Don't tell me, it's my neighbors that need the tellin'.
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aggie93 said:

A1_Ag_95 said:

Good luck fighting for that East TX water. Dallas already trying to take. Folks out there are fighting it for sure.

Dallas will keep dibs on the water up North but the overflow is down South between Port Arthur and Houston where they almost never have water issues. You can't get that water to go back upstream and hundreds of feet in elevation but you may be able to divert it South. Very challenging either way though.

Toledo Bend has a bunch of excess water that is not subject to any current water rights restrictions. The trick is the infrastructure to get it anywhere that it is needed. The DFW area is looking at other possible sources closer to home, but they face a very steep uphill battle with the locals to take any significant amount of additional water out of the watersheds leading to places like Caddo Lake.
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schmellba99 said:

YouBet said:

Captain Pablo said:

Kenneth_2003 said:

I would count Conroe doing CoH paid for half of it


Sure, but that's not really my point, other than Houston has far fewer lakes than DFW

There are lakes all over DFW. Why would they need to pull water from East Texas?


Because, shockingly, DFW was actually planning ahead for growth and local lakes weren't enough. There are 8M+ people there now and zero natural barriers to growth going any direction because they are sitting in the middle of the plains. They keep growing like they are and they will need all of it.

The Texas lege mandated all metro areas develop a long term water plan about 20 years ago. It's why San Antonio has the Vista Ridge pipeline that pumps water from near Caldwell all the way to the SAWS system. It's why the City of Houston constructed the Caper's Ridge pump station and pipeline that pumps water from the Trinity to Luce's Bayou/Lake Houston and spent $2B on a new water purification plant and distribution system for the entire north and west side of Houston and Harris County. Its why Corpus already has the Mary Rhode's pipeline from Texana and is looking to develop more water sources.

DFW and Houston have more access to water and it's easier for them to get it versus say San Antonio or Corpus. It takes longer by default for places like that to develop plans tht pass muster and then get those plans approved by voters and funded. Both of the last two of which are damn difficult to do when you have folks like those running Corpus in charge that just seem to step on their dicks every chance they get.

Actually, it was nearly 30 years ago. Senate Bill 1 in 1997 created the regional water planning process and mandated plans looking 50 years into the future. The TWDB just adopted the 2026 Regional Water Plans for the 16 water planning regions in January, and they form the basis for the 2027 State Water Plan. Public comment on the Draft 2027 State Water Plan closes tomorrow.
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American Hardwood said:

aggie93 said:

Quick update:

Lake Corpus up to 17%, Texana at 93% and rising fast, Choke Canyon only up to 7.6% though.

Still haven't heard any argument as to why we aren't doing everything we can to get houses and businesses to use rainwater catchment systems. They get 30 inches of rain per year in Corpus on average that's a boatload of water that could be stored and take strain off the system. Instead they are pushing rainwater barrels that do almost nothing except virtue signal.

I would severely berate any neighbor using these barrels, otherwise known as mosquito farms.

I don't think capturing rainwater is a feasible answer. I mean that's what ground and surface water sources already are (I know that's not what you meant). But what you CAN do is capture condensate. In a way, we do that to a certain degree as it ends up in the sanitary system, generally speaking, so it becomes available as wastewater for those that can use it. But it is pure water that can be consumed if there was a realistic way to collect it separate from sanitary systems.

A great example is a project I am working on that requires pretty much 24 hour running AC systems from a central plant that utilizes an evaporative cooling tower. The condensate that will be captured (100% outside air requirement) and recycled to the cooling tower supply which is sufficient for up to 90% of the water usage on a design day when the environment is warm enough and humid enough, which in Corpus Christi is dang near most of the time. This will save hundreds if not thousands of gallons per day of potable water from the city source which would otherwise be evaporated away.

I also capture water from a de-humidifier which is sufficient on a daily basis to keep my potted plants watered without having to turn on the hose. It is amazing how much water is in the air.

In Blanco where I have some land and am looking at building everyone does rain catchment and no one digs wells anymore. It has limitations as you need space for a sizeable tank and it's a significant investment but the water through reverse osmosis is fantastic quality, far better than just about anything else. Basically just taking the water off the roof and have it run to a tank then filter it and use it in the house.
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