American Hardwood said:

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I am biased against Sinton in this. Almost all of the rest of San Pat county relies on CC water and Sinton is trying to kill the project based on political grandstanding and fear mongering. The exact thing so many on this thread alone are criticizing CC for. You want to know why the water situation wasn't dealt with years ago? It's that right there.

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Sinton is the reason it wasn't dealt with years ago?

Not Sinton, the politicking and fear mongering.

American Hardwood said:

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Not Sinton, the politicking and fear mongering.

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Well, I guess I don't know which particular brand of fear mongering you are referring to.

But let's just start with Sinton, who you said was hypocritical

Sinton is a city of 5000 people, that uses 1 Million GPD

By your own estimate, Corpus wants 25 Million GPD pumped right out of the ground

That's a LOT of groundwater

Is Sinton really being hypocritical or overly political by being concerned about well draw down and aquifer depletion, even while they are seeking permits? Sounds like their water pursuits are a tiny fraction of those y'all are pursuing for Corpus residential, commercial, and industry combined

Sounds like Sinton has some legitimate concerns, that amount to more than just being a fly in the ointment

Also, is Corpus not being political? Why don't y'all have a desal plant by now?

Captain Pablo said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Not Sinton, the politicking and fear mongering.

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Well, I guess I don't know which particular brand of fear mongering you are referring to.

But let's just start with Sinton, who you said was hypocritical

Sinton is a city of 5000 people, that uses 1 Million GPD

By your own estimate, Corpus wants 25 Million GPD pumped right out of the ground

That's a LOT of groundwater

Is Sinton really being hypocritical or overly political by being concerned about well draw down and aquifer depletion, even while they are seeking permits? Sounds like their water pursuits are a tiny fraction of those y'all are pursuing for Corpus residential, commercial, and industry combined

Sounds like Sinton has some legitimate concerns, that amount to more than just being a fly in the ointment

Also, is Corpus not being political? Why don't y'all have a desal plant by now?

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One family, who used to have a significant presence in Sinton, stands to gain from CCs Evangeline Project.

The desal plant remains the single smartest thing the Coastal Bend could do to limit long term risk.

Interestingly...
The Frio River near Tilden Dilley has bumped up today. That is most likely the water from 2 days ago that spiked on Seco Creek near D'Hanis. This is actually good because that means, however little water it is made it out of the Hill Country and South of US90. VERY often those the channels at the base of the Hill Country just drink up every single drop that flows out of those Hill Country creeks.

It's a very small amount of water, but it's not nothing.

Need another one of those low pressure systems. But I'm afraid it's getting a bit into the summer to see more of those.

Edit -- Wrong gage

Kenneth_2003 said:

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Interestingly...
The Frio River near Tilden has bumped up today. That is most likely the water from 2 days ago that spiked on Seco Creek near D'Hanis. This is actually good because that means, however little water it is made it out of the Hill Country and South of US90. VERY often those the channels at the base of the Hill Country just drink up every single drop that flows out of those Hill Country creeks.

It's a very small amount of water, but it's not nothing.

Need another one of those low pressure systems. But I'm afraid it's getting a bit into the summer to see more of those.

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Irrelevant

They got the Evangeline

They don't need the lakes

Captain Pablo said:

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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Interestingly...
The Frio River near Tilden has bumped up today. That is most likely the water from 2 days ago that spiked on Seco Creek near D'Hanis. This is actually good because that means, however little water it is made it out of the Hill Country and South of US90. VERY often those the channels at the base of the Hill Country just drink up every single drop that flows out of those Hill Country creeks.

It's a very small amount of water, but it's not nothing.

Need another one of those low pressure systems. But I'm afraid it's getting a bit into the summer to see more of those.

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Irrelevant

They got the Evangeline

They don't need the lakes

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Has anyone done the analysis to show how much population expansion in the Edwards has impacted waterflows on the Nueces?

K2-HMFIC said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Not Sinton, the politicking and fear mongering.

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Well, I guess I don't know which particular brand of fear mongering you are referring to.

But let's just start with Sinton, who you said was hypocritical

Sinton is a city of 5000 people, that uses 1 Million GPD

By your own estimate, Corpus wants 25 Million GPD pumped right out of the ground

That's a LOT of groundwater

Is Sinton really being hypocritical or overly political by being concerned about well draw down and aquifer depletion, even while they are seeking permits? Sounds like their water pursuits are a tiny fraction of those y'all are pursuing for Corpus residential, commercial, and industry combined

Sounds like Sinton has some legitimate concerns, that amount to more than just being a fly in the ointment

Also, is Corpus not being political? Why don't y'all have a desal plant by now?

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One family, who used to have a significant presence in Sinton, stands to gain from CCs Evangeline Project.

The desal plant remains the single smartest thing the Coastal Bend could do to limit long term risk.

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This is not accurate about who makes up the entire Evangeline project.

Also inaccurate is to describe the only benefit is one sided. The entire service areas of CC Water stands to gain at level of water security including those that reside in the county who has the authority to manage water resources and has already determined twice and has issued permits for the appropriate amount of water extraction from the well field. The production from these wells is LESS on a per well basis than what the City of Sinton is currently (over)producing from the wells they have (thanks to the very family you seem to want to criticize I might add). Go back in history and look at how Sinton became a water producer....

As for the last sentence, I have never campaigned against desal as a long-term solution. But in practical terms, groundwater was and probably still is the only short-term deliverable water in this crisis. We got some relief, but it isn't over.

K2-HMFIC said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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Interestingly...
The Frio River near Tilden has bumped up today. That is most likely the water from 2 days ago that spiked on Seco Creek near D'Hanis. This is actually good because that means, however little water it is made it out of the Hill Country and South of US90. VERY often those the channels at the base of the Hill Country just drink up every single drop that flows out of those Hill Country creeks.

It's a very small amount of water, but it's not nothing.

Need another one of those low pressure systems. But I'm afraid it's getting a bit into the summer to see more of those.

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Irrelevant

They got the Evangeline

They don't need the lakes

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Has anyone done the analysis to show how much population expansion in the Edwards has impacted waterflows on the Nueces?

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I don't have hard numbers but it's significant.
1. Lake Mathis is required to release water, as a major point of contention, into the bay to moderate the salinity. The upper nueces at and south of 90 regularly runs dry. Historically this didn't happen hence the need for lake release.
2. The Frio hasn't flowed south of 90 in decades. I'm sure folks that grew up in the river and businesses in the tubing world will say flows are markedly lower.

That's not climate, that's ground water

EDIT -- Adding I read parts of LBJ's biography for a History Fair project in middle school (as related to his childhood out near Pedernales. Now admittedly the Pedernales area is not the Frio, Uvalde, Concan -- Western San Antonio region; I digress. The Hill Country of even the late 1800's and even into the early 1900s is NOT the hill country we know today. There was a lot more rolling grassland and deep soil. It was not the rocky exposed hills with brushy scrub that we all know. Early settlers brought sheep and goats and they all overgrazed leading to massive erosion. So the Hill Country today is likely much more flash flood prone today than it was 150 years ago; then rains had time to soak into the soil and into the fractured rock below. Today it runs off where flatland brush country has also put strain on the aquifers.

Any Texas History folks... Santa Anna was held up on his march to the Alamo which began on 23 February. In addition to freezing temps and even snow, I believe he was slowed crossing the Medina River on the outskirts of San Antonio.

Captain Pablo said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Not Sinton, the politicking and fear mongering.

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Well, I guess I don't know which particular brand of fear mongering you are referring to.

But let's just start with Sinton, who you said was hypocritical

Sinton is a city of 5000 people, that uses 1 Million GPD

By your own estimate, Corpus wants 25 Million GPD pumped right out of the ground

That's a LOT of groundwater

Is Sinton really being hypocritical or overly political by being concerned about well draw down and aquifer depletion, even while they are seeking permits? Sounds like their water pursuits are a tiny fraction of those y'all are pursuing for Corpus residential, commercial, and industry combined.

Sounds like Sinton has some legitimate concerns, that amount to more than just being a fly in the ointment

Also, is Corpus not being political? Why don't y'all have a desal plant by now?

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Yes, they are being political and are absolutely using the fear of depletion to further their agenda. Does the Evangeline group have the right of capture or do they not? The State of Texas says they do. The amount of water extraction has already been permitted many years ago by the authority established by San Patricio County. The City of Sinton never complained or protested the Evangeline project during any of the 10 years they have attempted to sell water including to the City of Sinton themselves. It only became an issue at the 11th hour when political hay could be made, and the City could leverage its protestations.

As far as long-term drawdowns, go study the hydrology. I can't repeat it all here. Remember, the protest isn't over the AMOUNT of water, it's about the drilling of the wells. Study the well locations and look at the density, compare that to areas that have experienced depletion problems and get back to me. The aquifer can sustain the proposed wellfield for a very, very long time at the maximum pump rates of the well field. However, this doesn't preclude others tapping into it at some point, but that is the responsibility of the water districts to manage.

Oh look, caller times saying the emergency is pushed back at least a year.

corpus politics already pushing to local media to get pressure off their back.

And they are calling it "potential" emergency when its 100% an emergency

The headline should read "despite recent rains, corpus still in emergency to figure its **** out"

Caller Slimes is the Baghdad Bob of the Coastal Bend. Then again, the local "leaders" might not be much better than Saddam so...

American Hardwood said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Not Sinton, the politicking and fear mongering.

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Well, I guess I don't know which particular brand of fear mongering you are referring to.

But let's just start with Sinton, who you said was hypocritical

Sinton is a city of 5000 people, that uses 1 Million GPD

By your own estimate, Corpus wants 25 Million GPD pumped right out of the ground

That's a LOT of groundwater

Is Sinton really being hypocritical or overly political by being concerned about well draw down and aquifer depletion, even while they are seeking permits? Sounds like their water pursuits are a tiny fraction of those y'all are pursuing for Corpus residential, commercial, and industry combined.

Sounds like Sinton has some legitimate concerns, that amount to more than just being a fly in the ointment

Also, is Corpus not being political? Why don't y'all have a desal plant by now?

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Yes, they are being political and are absolutely using the fear of depletion to further their agenda. Does the Evangeline group have the right of capture or do they not? The State of Texas says they do. The amount of water extraction has already been permitted many years ago by the authority established by San Patricio County. The City of Sinton never complained or protested the Evangeline project during any of the 10 years they have attempted to sell water including to the City of Sinton themselves. It only became an issue at the 11th hour when political hay could be made, and the City could leverage its protestations.

As far as long-term drawdowns, go study the hydrology. I can't repeat it all here. Remember, the protest isn't over the AMOUNT of water, it's about the drilling of the wells. Study the well locations and look at the density, compare that to areas that have experienced depletion problems and get back to me. The aquifer can sustain the proposed wellfield for a very, very long time at the maximum pump rates of the well field. However, this doesn't preclude others tapping into it at some point, but that is the responsibility of the water districts to manage.

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You are correct. The Evangeline is one layer of the larger Gulf Coast Aquifer that runs the entire Texas coast and 50-100 miles inland. It is a veritable ocean of water under our feet. Claims that these wells will deplete the aquifer are politicized and inaccurate at best. Does they need to be monitored, yes. Are these proposed wells going to destroy the aquifer - hardly. They are continually being recharged at rates generally equal to or greater than withdrawal rates other than northern Fort Bend and west/northwest Harris and Montgomery counties.