2020 Sully protests (am i misremembering)
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IF I recall, the "blaggie" or "blackie" comment was said in context by the old Ag of us all being Aggies and that's what unites us or something to that effect and that we didn't need to start having divisions of Aggies. Which lends itself to me that he said "blaggie" but I wasn't there.
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ohioag67 said:
I remember a clip showing a football team member saying to an old Ag, "I'm gonna cut you bro." That, plus the other antics going on with them climbing on Sully to plant their flag and our little professor helping to run the show ended my contributions to any fund that might go to the athletic department. I switched all my donating to the CCA..
The one that stuck in my brain was the track athlete claiming the the older white woman grabbed his dick while he was hanging off the Sully statue.
That was a dark time at tamu. All the racial stuff that summer and then simultaneously the COVID stuff.
Thankfully we had a strong, common sense leader in Michael Young to see us through that time. (sarcasm)
My kid was getting ready to start school and the whole thing was if TAMU was going to be in person or not. Just awful uncertainty daily waiting for the latest word from Young. Thankfully the corps did happen that school year but I remember dropping off for FOW and the band had just been told that they would not get to march at halftime, instead they would be filmed marching and then the replay would be shown at games. Senior band parents just devastated. All the march ins done with masks. Kids being sent home two weeks at a time just for being "exposed".
sorry for the covid rant but seeing those videos just brought all the stupidity back. I think if COVID had not been going on there would have been a way bigger backlash against these athletes and this sully episode.
Final review that year was in Kyle and when they marched in with no masks, alot of the parents had tears. Fish parents, first time to see our kids looking like human beings. Senior parents, FIRST TIME to see their kid march through campus in their boots without a GD mask on.
Thankfully we had a strong, common sense leader in Michael Young to see us through that time. (sarcasm)
My kid was getting ready to start school and the whole thing was if TAMU was going to be in person or not. Just awful uncertainty daily waiting for the latest word from Young. Thankfully the corps did happen that school year but I remember dropping off for FOW and the band had just been told that they would not get to march at halftime, instead they would be filmed marching and then the replay would be shown at games. Senior band parents just devastated. All the march ins done with masks. Kids being sent home two weeks at a time just for being "exposed".
sorry for the covid rant but seeing those videos just brought all the stupidity back. I think if COVID had not been going on there would have been a way bigger backlash against these athletes and this sully episode.
Final review that year was in Kyle and when they marched in with no masks, alot of the parents had tears. Fish parents, first time to see our kids looking like human beings. Senior parents, FIRST TIME to see their kid march through campus in their boots without a GD mask on.
Angry Jonathan Zaludek said:
Infinite Tucker. What a clown. Dude on full scholarship at a great school and our athletic department carts him to sully so he can demand "a more inclusive diverse university".
The irony of all of this anti-Sully protesting was that across Academic Plaza sat the Coke Building, named after Gov. Richard Coke, who as the first Democrat governor elected after the Civil War ushered in Jim Crow laws in Texas. He was also installed into the governor's office with an armed militia after what some Reconstructionist Republicans said was a rigged election. President Grant did nothing to intervene. Hence, we have the Coke Building.
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bobbranco said:TX_COWDOC said:
I don't need one for Mond. I couldn't care less what that jackass is doing.
fyi
I looked it up. Instagram.
He's a photography artist.
Don't photographs draw themselves?
TexasAg95 said:
That was a dark time at tamu. All the racial stuff that summer and then simultaneously the COVID stuff.
Thankfully we had a strong, common sense leader in Michael Young to see us through that time.
My kid was getting ready to start school and the whole thing was if TAMU was going to be in person or not. Just awful uncertainty daily waiting for the latest word from Young. Thankfully the corps did happen that school year but I remember dropping off for FOW and the band had just been told that they would not get to march at halftime, instead they would be filmed marching and then the replay would be shown at games. Senior band parents just devastated. All the march ins done with masks. Kids being sent home two weeks at a time just for being "exposed".
sorry for the covid rant but seeing those videos just brought all the stupidity back.
No dude.
Thank You for reminding us how disgusting that whole episode was. And how six-letter R-word that whole episode was - especially related to school children and anybody under 70 years old.
And all the educators and healthcare people in my life just act conveniently like they don't remember it.
Or worse, when I tell people about how bad it was in Los Angeles during that era, they don't believe me.
I just had a Facebook memory pop up from when I flew LAX to Miami in May 2020 and there were only like 15 flights on American Airlines that day out of LAX.
We need to be reminded about how stupid everybody got and who went along with the ruse.
It absolutely exposed all those that would go along to get along with actual dystopian totalitarian government
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HollywoodBQ said:TexasAg95 said:
That was a dark time at tamu. All the racial stuff that summer and then simultaneously the COVID stuff.
Thankfully we had a strong, common sense leader in Michael Young to see us through that time.
My kid was getting ready to start school and the whole thing was if TAMU was going to be in person or not. Just awful uncertainty daily waiting for the latest word from Young. Thankfully the corps did happen that school year but I remember dropping off for FOW and the band had just been told that they would not get to march at halftime, instead they would be filmed marching and then the replay would be shown at games. Senior band parents just devastated. All the march ins done with masks. Kids being sent home two weeks at a time just for being "exposed".
sorry for the covid rant but seeing those videos just brought all the stupidity back.
No dude.
Thank You for reminding us how disgusting that whole episode was. And how six-letter R-word that whole episode was - especially related to school children and anybody under 70 years old.
And all the educators and healthcare people in my life just act conveniently like they don't remember it.
Or worse, when I tell people about how bad it was in Los Angeles during that era, they don't believe me.
I just had a Facebook memory pop up from when I flew LAX to Miami in May 2020 and there were only like 15 flights on American Airlines that day out of LAX.
We need to be reminded about how stupid everybody got and who went along with the ruse.
My son at least had his fish buddies. He used to tell me how they would go to the commons to eat and most kids in there, probably freshmen, were sitting by themselves with a mask, then go back to their rooms to watch their classes online. Paying for a college experience and having no human interaction. Absolutely criminal.
I don't know what the suicide statistics were that year but i know there were several student suicides at tamu.
Never forget this crap. So many lies in this video and such dystopian arrogance and threats. Young looks like he's filming that video while having a colonoscopy.
and this is just comical
army01 said:00 said:
Many on his maternal side. Someone who knew Texas history pulled up a lot of information and posted it here.
Why is that relevant? Is the arguement that we should all accept everything our ancestors did?
Well we aren't Klingon, we aren't dishonored by the sins of our fathers.
Burdizzo said:Mega Lops said:
I remember the athletic dept sent some stooge to go collect Tucker from making a further jackass out of himself.
That wasn't a good look for the school but it's largely been forgotten of course.
After things had quieted down somewhat by the end of 2020, I got a call from 12th Man Foundation about renewing my donation. I don't buy season tickets anymore and really only donate a small amount just to keep up priority points. The sweet and clueless girl that called me was given this message from me. My donations help pay for the scholarships those people got and the salaries of the coaches and staff. I thought that event was highly embarrassing, not indicative about how I expect Aggie student athletes to represent our university, and completely mishandled by the athletic department. They will be getting a donation from me for 2020, but I want my message forwarded up to the Athletic Director. Yes, sir.
I have no idea if they cared, but I was pretty pissed off that year. And when I think back on it it still pisses me off. Jimbo was such a spineless little btch
Similar experience here. Shortly afterwards I received an email request from Dr. Banks regarding some sort of survey. I replied with the following. Never got a response.
Dr. Banks,
Thank you for your email. Congratulations on your new role at Texas A&M. You have a lot of work to do. Unfortunately I am not interested in participating in any surveys. However, you state that you want input so I do feel obliged to send the following email that I sent to The Association of Former Students and to the 12th Man Association when contacted regarding their persistent fundraising activities. To date I have received a response from neither.
"Actually, for the first time in a long time, I am considering foregoing my annual contributions to The Association of Former Students. And the 12th Man Association. And the Lettermen's Association.
Why? I am sure I am not alone in saying that I am extremely disappointed in many of the events that occurred in and around Aggieland in 2020.
First, while I fully support a football player's right to an opinion on Sul Ross, he absolutely has no right to call those with differing opinions racists. I expected someone in a leadership position to intercede and make use of a teaching moment with him. Perhaps encouraging him to make a statement standing by his opinion on Sully but acknowledging that he was wrong by stating that those that do not agree with him are racists. Apparently that never happened. If he did and I missed it, please provide a copy or a link.
Second, I read of other incidents like the racist note on a student's windshield. It is my understanding that this was proven to be a hoax. Am I correct? If so, was this student perpetrator encouraged to publicly retract the false statement? If so, please provide a copy or a link. And out of curiosity, was he/she held criminally accountable (false police report)? What recourse did the University seek?
Which brings me to my third and final point. President Young was quick to accuse the student body of racism when the racist note on the windshield event was first reported. Did he make a statement publicly retracting this claim after the fraud was exposed? I know President Young is on his way out (about time), so has the Board of Regents chimed in about this specific incident? If so, please provide a copy or a link.
I lived in Cain Hall from 1979-1983 and was a 4-year track letterman. As you can imagine, Cain Hall was the most diverse dorm on campus. You are too young to understand the context of this time, but this was on the heels of some significant civil rights activities in our country. This said, my teammates/my classmates/my roommates were light years ahead of the foolishness I am seeing in the news regarding race relations at Texas A&M right now. There was no need to mandate or legislate diversity. We lived it. Treating people with dignity and respect is not a new concept.
I do not know when or if I will resume donations. Heck, I do not even have an Association (or a 12th Man or a Lettermen) decal on my vehicle anymore. Not necessarily making a statement rather, just never got around to it. Better things to do. I may decide to wear my A&M ring again at some point. I may even decide to wear my two Southwest Conference Championship rings again. Or I may not.
Please let me be clear. I am not making any threats. I am just feeling less and less of a connection with the school that I attended and always represented proudly.
I was never a large donor so my money will not be missed. However, others that share my views may warrant more urgent attention from you and your organization.
Thank you again for your email, and best of luck to you in your future endeavors."
Please get back with me regarding my requested information.
Or just file in your 'Old man yells at clouds' folder…
I am open to reconsider, but the silence from your office is deafening.
Again, best of luck to you.
God bless you
TexAgs91 said:Buck Turgidson said:
I woulda kicked every one of those punks off the team, but Jimbo "didn't do character" by his own admission. Sickens me what we put up with just to field a mediocre football team. I'd rather have a losing record than put up with scumbags like that.
I'm always a supporter of our football team, but when I saw members of our football team threatening former students and the Corps, we had no football team that year. I was so glad to finally be rid of Mond after that.
Even more disappointing was watching the athletic staff drive some of the players to & from the protest in their department golf carts.
hunter2012 said:
I thought on the video it was blaggie, I won't correct an eye witness. Either way it was a cringe moment for the old man.
I know the man personally and he said blaggie, not blackie. He was trying to make the point that we're Aggies, not blaggies or maggies or waggies. Male, female, white, black, red doesn't matter. I have heard him say that for years. Unfortunately he was trying to make a connection at a time when the recipient had no intention of having a conversation.
The entire Sully saga was handled well by Chancellor John Sharp. He made a speech in Houston and stated firmly that the statue of Sully was not coming down. That was it. And soon the protests were over and Sully still stands today.
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If you've never ed up on Sully, he was a pretty fascinating character. I only know f one biography: Sul Ross, Soldier, Statesman, Educator by Judith Benner
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I know the man personally and he said blaggie, not blackie. He was trying to make the point that we're Aggies, not blaggies or maggies or waggies.
Didn't we have a couple of academic majors at one time that would inform us that thinking like this is some sort of holocaust?
They went from wanting a colorblind society to only focusing on skin color when they realized the grift was dying out.
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We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
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AgBQ-00 said:
They went from wanting a colorblind society to only focusing on skin color when they realized the grift was dying out.
Not only could we judge people by the color of their skin...but that we must.
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Well he was one of 21 state senators who voted to accept Morill Act funding which lead to A&M being founded. So it's not zero.
It ain't much above zero, though
No mention here of A&M or the Morrill Act at all. And although the statue looks like his picture here, you will notice there is a question mark in parentheses on the back next to his name. They aren't even sure if this is him, but they based the statue on campus on this photo.
https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/entries/gaines-matthew
https://liberalarts.tamu.edu/blog/the-morrill-act-still-has-a-huge-impact-on-the-u-s-and-the-world/
Quote:
July 2 is a key date in the history of Texas A&M University.
It was then that the Morrill Act went into effect in 1862, named for its sponsor, Vermont Congressman Justin Smith Morrill. It allowed each state to sell up to 30,000 acres of land and use the funds to establish colleges, hence the name "land grant" universities.
In Texas, two colleges were established Texas A&M University and Prairie View University, but Texas A&M did not hold its first classes until 1876.
Recent scholars have pointed to the contributions of Matthew Gaines, the first African-American state senator and Baptist minister from Washington County, who was instrumental in the 12th Texas Legislature's passage of Senate Bill 276. It helped create the Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas (today Texas A&M) under the Land-Grant College Act of 1862, also known as the Morrill Act.
The bolded is interesting to me.
Gaines very well may have been "instrumental", but I find no evidence of that being a fact. I've read some of the available minutes of the 12th Texas Lege. I can find no evidence of a bill presented by Gaines, or a speech made by Gaines in favor of that bill.
About the time of the Sully tantrum, we started reading about Gaines, and his "contribution".
I still don't know which "scholars have pointed to the contributions" of Gaines.
I don't know what the assertions are based on.
I have yet to see a transcript of his advocation of SB 276
We are just expected to take it on faith.
1st Gaines, chapter 2 verse 23, "Verily, brother Matthew did call for the compound, complex, maroon and white, Fighin' Texas Aggie Class of 1876 to be created.
And the people answered, WHOOP!"
HollywoodBQ said:TexasAg95 said:
That was a dark time at tamu. All the racial stuff that summer and then simultaneously the COVID stuff.
Thankfully we had a strong, common sense leader in Michael Young to see us through that time.
My kid was getting ready to start school and the whole thing was if TAMU was going to be in person or not. Just awful uncertainty daily waiting for the latest word from Young. Thankfully the corps did happen that school year but I remember dropping off for FOW and the band had just been told that they would not get to march at halftime, instead they would be filmed marching and then the replay would be shown at games. Senior band parents just devastated. All the march ins done with masks. Kids being sent home two weeks at a time just for being "exposed".
sorry for the covid rant but seeing those videos just brought all the stupidity back.
No dude.
Thank You for reminding us how disgusting that whole episode was. And how six-letter R-word that whole episode was - especially related to school children and anybody under 70 years old.
And all the educators and healthcare people in my life just act conveniently like they don't remember it.
Or worse, when I tell people about how bad it was in Los Angeles during that era, they don't believe me.
I just had a Facebook memory pop up from when I flew LAX to Miami in May 2020 and there were only like 15 flights on American Airlines that day out of LAX.
We need to be reminded about how stupid everybody got and who went along with the ruse.
One of my stepnieces got kicked off an airplane because her autistic son (who IIRC was 3 years old at the time) wouldn't keep his mask on. The incident made the local news.
The COVID lockdown was the biggest dystopian BS I've ever seen in my lifetime.
And I went to A&M at a time when RA's got fired for supporting Unity Project, and worked at a credit union where one of my IT duties was to check if any of our members were on the OFAC list, so that's saying a lot.
sanangelo said:
The irony of all of this anti-Sully protesting was that across Academic Plaza sat the Coke Building, named after Gov. Richard Coke, who as the first Democrat governor elected after the Civil War ushered in Jim Crow laws in Texas. He was also installed into the governor's office with an armed militia after what some Reconstructionist Republicans said was a rigged election. President Grant did nothing to intervene. Hence, we have the Coke Building.
Yeah, but almost no students know that, so it's fine.
TBH, the part that surprises me is that the Coke Building hasn't been renamed to the Pepsi Building. (Do we still have that stupid exclusivity contract?)
The College Republicans were big proponents of erecting a statue of Matthew Gaines on campus in the '90s.
Are you just offended that we have a statue of a black man on campus?
CanyonAg77 said:Quote:Quote:
Well he was one of 21 state senators who voted to accept Morill Act funding which lead to A&M being founded. So it's not zero.
It ain't much above zero, though
No mention here of A&M or the Morrill Act at all. And although the statue looks like his picture here, you will notice there is a question mark in parentheses on the back next to his name. They aren't even sure if this is him, but they based the statue on campus on this photo.
https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/entries/gaines-matthew
https://liberalarts.tamu.edu/blog/the-morrill-act-still-has-a-huge-impact-on-the-u-s-and-the-world/Quote:
July 2 is a key date in the history of Texas A&M University.
It was then that the Morrill Act went into effect in 1862, named for its sponsor, Vermont Congressman Justin Smith Morrill. It allowed each state to sell up to 30,000 acres of land and use the funds to establish colleges, hence the name "land grant" universities.
In Texas, two colleges were established Texas A&M University and Prairie View University, but Texas A&M did not hold its first classes until 1876.
Recent scholars have pointed to the contributions of Matthew Gaines, the first African-American state senator and Baptist minister from Washington County, who was instrumental in the 12th Texas Legislature's passage of Senate Bill 276. It helped create the Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas (today Texas A&M) under the Land-Grant College Act of 1862, also known as the Morrill Act.
The bolded is interesting to me.
Gaines very well may have been "instrumental", but I find no evidence of that being a fact. I've read some of the available minutes of the 12th Texas Lege. I can find no evidence of a bill presented by Gaines, or a speech made by Gaines in favor of that bill.
About the time of the Sully tantrum, we started reading about Gaines, and his "contribution".
I still don't know which "scholars have pointed to the contributions" of Gaines.
I don't know what the assertions are based on.
I have yet to see a transcript of his advocation of SB 276
We are just expected to take it on faith.
1st Gaines, chapter 2 verse 23, "Verily, brother Matthew did call for the compound, complex, maroon and white, Fighin' Texas Aggie Class of 1876 to be created.
And the people answered, WHOOP!"
He was "instrumental" in the same way all of the other State Senators who voted for SB 276 were. There is absolutely zero evidence that he did any more than that. They found a random person of color to put a statue up for to appease the mob. Nothing more.
Backyard Gator said:
The College Republicans were big proponents of erecting a statue of Matthew Gaines on campus in the '90s.
Are you just offended that we have a statue of a black man on campus?
Are you offended by truth znd academic curiosity?
Do you get brownie points from your felllow social justice keyboard warriors for implyimg that someome is racist, without havimg thr guts to comeout amd make that false accusation?
Backyard Gator said:
The College Republicans were big proponents of erecting a statue of Matthew Gaines on campus in the '90s.
Are you just offended that we have a statue of a black man on campus?
I am offended that we have a statue of a man who had nothing to do with Texas A&M on campus. Not really offended, I just think it's stupid.
sanangelo said:
The entire Sully saga was handled well by Chancellor John Sharp. He made a speech in Houston and stated firmly that the statue of Sully was not coming down. That was it. And soon the protests were over and Sully still stands today.
I agree here, actually.
And, to caveat, I hate Sharp with a passion, but not afraid to give kudos where they are due.
Sharp did exactly what Universities always do in these situations. He formed a committee, gave faculty a chance to bloviate about equity, got a weird report issued, all of which took months, and the ruckus had died down by the time it came out, and nothing happened.
If Sharp was good at anything, it was using an unnecessarily bloated administrative system to his advantage. He did so with precision and skill here.
Backyard Gator said:
The College Republicans were big proponents of erecting a statue of Matthew Gaines on campus in the '90s.
Are you just offended that we have a statue of a black man on campus?
Why not a statue of Clarence Thomas, instead?
Nah. Garrett Morgan.
BusterAg said:sanangelo said:
The entire Sully saga was handled well by Chancellor John Sharp. He made a speech in Houston and stated firmly that the statue of Sully was not coming down. That was it. And soon the protests were over and Sully still stands today.
I agree here, actually.
And, to caveat, I hate Sharp with a passion, but not afraid to give kudos where they are due.
Sharp did exactly what Universities always do in these situations. He formed a committee, gave faculty a chance to bloviate about equity, got a weird report issued, all of which took months, and the ruckus had died down by the time it came out, and nothing happened.
If Sharp was good at anything, it was using an unnecessarily bloated administrative system to his advantage. He did so with precision and skill here.
The report was a disaster for fundraising by the Former Students and 12th Man, I suspect. I recall that report stated that AFS and 12th Man Foundation development officers reported they weren't concerned about any short-term drop in fundraising numbers as they all anticipated 10x (?) increase once People of Color (POC) grads were former students that they would donate much more money that old whiteys. When I read that, I was completely and totally done. Years later, I confirmed this sentiment when talking to a former development officer for the AFS. He said they didn't really care about the small donors and they still had a sizable pool of large donors who never quit contributing. But what a stupid thing to reveal in that report!
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When I got out of A&M in the early 90s, I used to think it was cool to go in an Old Ag's office and see that Century Club plaque with years of those brass renewal tags hanging off the bottom. I haven't seen that in years, and in fact my Century Club plaque has been stowed away in a cardboard box for about 25 years.
I spent some time studying the Priority Points system of 12MF about ten years ago when I was having to make budgetary decisions about renewing season tickets. On the surface it might look like it rewards long term loyalty, but the points you get from continual giving are a drop in the bucket relative to the aggregate of what you give over time. At the time I was still buying season tickets from a promotional deal they had in 1998 when THE ZONE (tm) was built and they needed warm bodies to fill those seats. So my annual donation wasn't that big (Big for me, not for people on the west side). When they decided to reseat everyone and make them reapply in 2014, it was apparent all that talk of Aggie Loyalty was a big steaming pile of maroon bull*****
TLDR: A&M doesn't care about us peons, our loyalty, or our ideals. They just care about money.
I spent some time studying the Priority Points system of 12MF about ten years ago when I was having to make budgetary decisions about renewing season tickets. On the surface it might look like it rewards long term loyalty, but the points you get from continual giving are a drop in the bucket relative to the aggregate of what you give over time. At the time I was still buying season tickets from a promotional deal they had in 1998 when THE ZONE (tm) was built and they needed warm bodies to fill those seats. So my annual donation wasn't that big (Big for me, not for people on the west side). When they decided to reseat everyone and make them reapply in 2014, it was apparent all that talk of Aggie Loyalty was a big steaming pile of maroon bull*****
TLDR: A&M doesn't care about us peons, our loyalty, or our ideals. They just care about money.
CanyonAg77 said:Backyard Gator said:
The College Republicans were big proponents of erecting a statue of Matthew Gaines on campus in the '90s.
Are you just offended that we have a statue of a black man on campus?
Are you offended by truth znd academic curiosity?
Do you get brownie points from your felllow social justice keyboard warriors for implyimg that someome is racist, without havimg thr guts to comeout amd make that false accusation?
Hardly a social justice warrior, although I'm unsurprised you'd accuse someone who disagrees with you of that. It's the liberal equivalent of calling someone a nazi.
As for Gaines, you seem really focused on bemoaning the fact that there is a statue of him on campus. Why do you care so much?
BusterAg said:Backyard Gator said:
The College Republicans were big proponents of erecting a statue of Matthew Gaines on campus in the '90s.
Are you just offended that we have a statue of a black man on campus?
Why not a statue of Clarence Thomas, instead?
If Clarence Thomas was a former slave who served in the Texas Senate, I'd be good with that. You could make a better case for Thurgood Marshall.
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