*****The Official Houston Texans 2024: Slowik strikes back****

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We have so many d-lineman now. Could we be setting up a trade for Autry? Not sure why we wouldn't cut him at this point with these 1 year signings and Autry having no guaranteed money on his contract.
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I would like to keep Autry, but based on how many similar players they've added, I wonder if they are looking at a trade or a cut.

Don't know what the money looks like, but I would love Cooper Kupp as your second or third receiver.

Looks like they're going to rebuild the line through the draft, but they will probably have to trade up to get a LT who can play right away. Howard is a band-aid. Wouldn't mind bringing back George Fant as a swing tackle/insurance policy.
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If the Texans want Membou, Banks or Simmons they may have to move up from #25. Otherwise, I think we're looking at Zabel or Donovan Jackson and then Mbow or Savaiinaea in the 2nd round.
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I absolutely love Zabel. Fanbase won't be excited because it's not sexy but he can start anywhere on the interior and will be a really good player for a decade plus.
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I'd rather not trade up for OL. I wouldn't mind trading up for Warren. I feel the tackles after Cambell seem to be fairly even based on draft projections. I even saw Banks falling to our current pick. I would take best available at that point.
Now if Sanders somehow has a huge drop and falls to us, would see what we can get alongside an early (top 5) 2nd round pick.
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it's an interesting discussion...about being at the beginning, middle, or end of a position group run

let's go back to last year's 2nd round

the last DB taken in the 1st round was at pick #30 (Ravens-Wiggins)

then the next DB was not drafted until the Eagles traded up to #40 and started a mini-run at the position:

40 - Eagles-DeJean
41 - Saints-McKinstry
42 - Texans-Lassiter
43 - Cardinals-Melton

time will tell which of the foursome turns out to be the best...but DeJean is the leader in the clubhouse after a pick 6 in the Super Bowl
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Bogey1996 said:

I'd rather not trade up for OL. I wouldn't mind trading up for Warren. I feel the tackles after Cambell seem to be fairly even based on draft projections. I even saw Banks falling to our current pick. I would take best available at that point.
Now if Sanders somehow has a huge drop and falls to us, would see what we can get alongside an early (top 5) 2nd round pick.
The only tackles I'd say 100% won't be there at 25 are Campbell and Membou. I've also seen mocks with Banks dropping but I think he's gone by then just because OL is a need for too many teams. There's a good chance Simmons and Zabel are there at 25.

Sanders is interesting because no one seems to know whether anyone is truly interested in him at the top of the draft. McShay has had multiple podcasts that have discussed his interviews at the combine, and it sounds like some teams didn't care for their interview with him and could be turned off by the interaction.
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Texans trade a 6th round pick for Ed Ingram, former 2nd round pick out of LSU, he plays guard.
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Man that's a solid group overall and not to sound like a homer but Lassister was nails as a rookie. Very happy with our CB pair for the future.
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MelvinUdall said:

Texans trade a 6th round pick for Ed Ingram, former 2nd round pick out of LSU, he plays guard.
Sounds like Ed Ingram has been the Kenyon Green of Minnesota for a while.
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I love that Nick likes trading late round worthless picks for players who can contribute.

Those 6th and 7th round picks are such lottery tickets. I'd rather have a contributor who at the least provides some depth.
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IrishAg said:



We have so many d-lineman now. Could we be setting up a trade for Autry? Not sure why we wouldn't cut him at this point with these 1 year signings and Autry having no guaranteed money on his contract.

more likely to cut Autry than trade. But more likely to trade Hunter…
IrishAg
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Texan_Aggie said:

IrishAg said:



We have so many d-lineman now. Could we be setting up a trade for Autry? Not sure why we wouldn't cut him at this point with these 1 year signings and Autry having no guaranteed money on his contract.

more likely to cut Autry than trade. But more likely to trade Hunter…


They're not going to trade Hunter. The reason I brought up a trade is because there's no reason to just sit on Autry if you're going to cut him. We would get at least 8M on the salary cap that could be used immediately. They might end up cutting him, but usually when a prime cut candidate isn't cut right away it's for trade reasons
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If you can trade Hunter for an elite lineman, it's worth exploring. There's a lot more bandwidth at DL to soak up Hunter leaving, plus he wants an extension.
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I'm not on board with shipping Hunter out. You rarely get 2 elite DE's on the same team with great backups.
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Texan_Aggie said:

If you can trade Hunter for an elite lineman, it's worth exploring. There's a lot more bandwidth at DL to soak up Hunter leaving, plus he wants an extension.


I understand the thinking, but DeMeco has built his defense on the idea of two elite DEs. I doubt he's going to shop Hunter at all and unless someone gives him a trade he can't refuse I don't think it would even be a discussion.
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I don't think they will, but I think he's the most likely to get traded. They're going to have to pay Sting Will and CJ, Hunter wants money too. Could see a benefit to trading for a good pick to draft a young OL stud that's cheaper.

Autry, I don't think anyone will trade for. He'll be cheaper if he's cut.
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Texan_Aggie said:

I don't think they will, but I think he's the most likely to get traded. They're going to have to pay Sting Will and CJ, Hunter wants money too. Could see a benefit to trading for a good pick to draft a young OL stud that's cheaper.

Autry, I don't think anyone will trade for. He'll be cheaper if he's cut.


Hunter's contract is up next year, so Will and CJs won't be impacted. But if there's one thing I've learned from the eagles, it's that if you cut/trade players you need because of cap issues, you're doing it wrong.
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This may be my first ever non j j watt jersey purchase for the texans.
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
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Although an over all non-big deal for the Texans, but John Weeks signed with the 49'ers…he had a long run with the Texans.
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MelvinUdall said:

Although an over all non-big deal for the Texans, but John Weeks signed with the 49'ers…he had a long run with the Texans.



Damn. A legend of a snapper
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
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I get it though. He's been in Houston forever, might be fun to go live a year somewhere else.

Congrats to him!
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My Google feed today had some click bait moron from some noname website saying CJ should request a trade.

Probably a Cowgirls fan.
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Silent For Too Long said:

My Google feed today had some click bait moron from some noname website saying CJ should request a trade.

Probably a Cowgirls fan.
People who are big PFF fans are losing their mind that we traded Tunsil
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IrishAg said:

Silent For Too Long said:

My Google feed today had some click bait moron from some noname website saying CJ should request a trade.

Probably a Cowgirls fan.
People who are big PFF fans are losing their mind that we traded Tunsil


I don't think the 2nd, 3rd, or the 4th will net us a better player, but it saves money and we need cheap quantity more than overpriced quality with a penchant for penalties and a Laissez-faire attitude towards leading I guess.

WR Cooper Kupp (3/45) signed with Seattle for $3 million more a year than we pay TE Dalton "Matador blocker" Schultz.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/why-cooper-kupps-wa-homecoming-is-worth-the-risk-for-seahawks/

Kupp did miss 5 games last season, but was still significantly more productive than Schultz in 17 games despite Kupp's reduced role. I know we're stuck for the next two years at TE due to the sunk cost and him not being KG level unplayable, but it hurts. Especially since our OL needs help and he provides next to none.

Different position from Kupp I know.
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Faustus said:

IrishAg said:

Silent For Too Long said:

My Google feed today had some click bait moron from some noname website saying CJ should request a trade.

Probably a Cowgirls fan.
People who are big PFF fans are losing their mind that we traded Tunsil


I don't think the 2nd, 3rd, or the 4th will net us a better player, but it saves money and we need cheap quantity more than overpriced quality with a penchant for penalties and a Laissez-faire attitude towards leading I guess.

WR Cooper Kupp (3/45) signed with Seattle for $3 million more a year than we pay TE Dalton "Matador blocker" Schultz.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/why-cooper-kupps-wa-homecoming-is-worth-the-risk-for-seahawks/

Kupp did miss 5 games last season, but was still significantly more productive than Schultz in 17 games despite Kupp's reduced role. I know we're stuck for the next two years at TE due to the sunk cost and him not being KG level unplayable, but it hurts. Especially since our OL needs help and he provides next to none.

Different position from Kupp I know.
On Tunsil, what I was getting at is everyone points to his PFF grade and the sacks given up and say why did you trade him? As Seth Payne pointed out it's really deceiving as he was perfectly fine getting a false start to make sure he kept his grade up. If you think about how many times he killed a drive with a false start this year that was just as bad as a sack. He was the most penalized offensive lineman, and the only one in double digits on false starts at 12. So a better player is always from a certain point of view.

I'll admit, I was one of the people that didn't believe we would trade him. But with that in mind, one other thing to remember is that we reached out to multiple teams that needed a LT (including the chiefs) and most didn't want anything to do with him. Which says a lot about where people valued him at.


On Cupp, yeah, I'm glad we didn't touch that. That's 15 million a year for 3 more years on Cupp who is an injury prone 31 year old receiver who's final 5 games as a Ram were:

no catches on 3 targets
3 catches for 24 yards
1 catch for 29 yards
1 catch for 29 yards
5 catches for 61 yards .

That's a horrible overpay for him and while I'm down on Dalton we can cut him without hardly any penalty after this year. If we can trade him, great, but if we can't he isn't a boat anchor hanging around our neck when the big contracts will need to hit.
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Becton signed with the Chargers, contract has to be interesting since all that's been released so far is it's a 2 year deal (no money numbers released yet)
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IrishAg said:

Faustus said:

IrishAg said:

Silent For Too Long said:

My Google feed today had some click bait moron from some noname website saying CJ should request a trade.

Probably a Cowgirls fan.
People who are big PFF fans are losing their mind that we traded Tunsil


I don't think the 2nd, 3rd, or the 4th will net us a better player, but it saves money and we need cheap quantity more than overpriced quality with a penchant for penalties and a Laissez-faire attitude towards leading I guess.

WR Cooper Kupp (3/45) signed with Seattle for $3 million more a year than we pay TE Dalton "Matador blocker" Schultz.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/why-cooper-kupps-wa-homecoming-is-worth-the-risk-for-seahawks/

Kupp did miss 5 games last season, but was still significantly more productive than Schultz in 17 games despite Kupp's reduced role. I know we're stuck for the next two years at TE due to the sunk cost and him not being KG level unplayable, but it hurts. Especially since our OL needs help and he provides next to none.

Different position from Kupp I know.
On Tunsil, what I was getting at is everyone points to his PFF grade and the sacks given up and say why did you trade him? As Seth Payne pointed out it's really deceiving as he was perfectly fine getting a false start to make sure he kept his grade up. If you think about how many times he killed a drive with a false start this year that was just as bad as a sack. He was the most penalized offensive lineman, and the only one in double digits on false starts at 12. So a better player is always from a certain point of view.

I'll admit, I was one of the people that didn't believe we would trade him. But with that in mind, one other thing to remember is that we reached out to multiple teams that needed a LT (including the chiefs) and most didn't want anything to do with him. Which says a lot about where people valued him at.


On Cupp, yeah, I'm glad we didn't touch that. That's 15 million a year for 3 more years on Cupp who is an injury prone 31 year old receiver who's final 5 games as a Ram were:

no catches on 3 targets
3 catches for 24 yards
1 catch for 29 yards
1 catch for 29 yards
5 catches for 61 yards .

That's a horrible overpay for him and while I'm down on Dalton we can cut him without hardly any penalty after this year. If we can trade him, great, but if we can't he isn't a boat anchor hanging around our neck when the big contracts will need to hit.


Kirk has missed double the games Kupp has the last couple of years (with concomitant less production), and will cost virtually the same next season, but we can cut bait thereafter if it doesn't work out.

Not quite Stefan Diggs maneuvering to make the O better, but then again that didn't work out very well either.
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IrishAg said:





Wizardry with the cap again . They just paid him early and freed space. I'll never fully understand how that works.

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After being acquired from the Jacksonville Jaguars in exchange for a 2026 seventh-round pick, Kirk was originally due a $15.5 million base salary. According to Wilson, that's been converted into a $14 million signing bonus for accounting purposes while lowering his base salary to the league minimum of $1.17 million.


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AgsMyDude said:

IrishAg said:





Wizardry with the cap again . They just paid him early and freed space. I'll never fully understand how that works.

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After being acquired from the Jacksonville Jaguars in exchange for a 2026 seventh-round pick, Kirk was originally due a $15.5 million base salary. According to Wilson, that's been converted into a $14 million signing bonus for accounting purposes while lowering his base salary to the league minimum of $1.17 million.





There's more to it than this but generally speaking, your annual base salary counts against that year's cap. Your signing bonus is prorated over the life of the contract. So, a 15 mill annual salary counts 15 mil against the cap. A 15 mill signing bonus on a 3 year deal counts 5 mill against the cap for 3 years.

I'm guessing we converted base to signing bonus and added a couple BS years to the end of his contract to then stretch that bonus out further for cap purposes.
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It's been said before many times. A GM or exec who has a PhD in cap wizardry is the most valuable player on the team.
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And by key, he means key in killing momentum at least once a game
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Cupp might be overpriced, but by signing him, the Seahawks guarantee he will go nuclear twice a year against the Rams. The divisional wins might be worth the cost alone.
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