Special CS City Council Meeting

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EriktheRed
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tu ag said:

Hey - let's ruin another neighborhood with a huge resume' filling project that costs taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars!

But...it isn't our neighborhood, but a Bryan one!!!

WHOOP!

City of Bryan is already doing that, buying up the residential lots and planning their own mixed use development there
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maroon barchetta said:

If they put it at Hensel can I have the old funky pavilion cover? I want it for my back yard. I'll use it to host live music events.

Love it. I'd support that! Love the old pavilion cover. When I was an undergrad, we used to play an annual faculty / grad students vs. undergrads softball game out there.
maroon barchetta
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There's great acoustics under that thing.
Captn_Ag05
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If they redevelop Hensel, where will people go for their rendezvous and drug deals?
maroon barchetta
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Loading dock at the new event center.

Duh.

Same as the guys from Vance Refrigeration who sold weed to Michael.
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Hornbeck said:

maroon barchetta said:

If they put it at Hensel can I have the old funky pavilion cover? I want it for my back yard. I'll use it to host live music events.

Love it. I'd support that! Love the old pavilion cover. When I was an undergrad, we used to play an annual faculty / grad students vs. undergrads softball game out there.

Were you in the range department?
Bob Yancy
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Captn_Ag05 said:

Bryan mayor is in attendance at the meeting. Interesting.


And the county judge. And Tamu and Tamus. When's the last time that happened?

200 nights of entertainment on a patch of land in the center of everything, just wasting away. Ready to change Aggieland for the better- forever? And do so together?

Respectfully, and as one member of council…

Yancy '95
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As long as we're not the only taxpayers on the hook, I could get behind that.

To use another poster's catchphrase, that's "knocking the ball out of the park…"
MsDoubleD81
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Is this going to replace Reed Arena?
Bob Yancy
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Hornbeck said:

As long as we're not the only taxpayers on the hook, I could get behind that.

To use another poster's catchphrase, that's "knocking the ball out of the park…"


Together. With taxpayer approval. With transparency right out of the starting gate.

Respectfully

Yancy '95
Bob Yancy
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MsDoubleD81 said:

Is this going to replace Reed Arena?


That's a Tamu question. With a multi-event center, Aggie Hoops would be but one minor tenant. You're talking live music, family entertainment, sports, conventions… once and for all answering the question: "what's there to do in Aggieland?"

200 days and nights of entertainment per year, for locals and tourists alike.

Respectfully

Yancy '95
Bob Yancy
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Hornbeck said:

As long as we're not the only taxpayers on the hook, I could get behind that.

To use another poster's catchphrase, that's "knocking the ball out of the park…"


Agreed.

Respectfully,

Yancy '95
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Captn_Ag05 said:

Hornbeck said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

A replacement for Reed is definitely needed. Figuring out a way to make it a multipurpose center makes sense and the location could have benefits for both cities, the county, and of course TAMU. I am skeptical how they are all going to work together on a large project like this.

They need a large corporate partner with Aggie ties. Maybe Roku wants their name on a building.


DudePerfect Center?
Buc-ee's Fieldhouse?
Roku Arena?

I think they have probably run out of resources on Buc-ee's with the Aplin Center.

Yancy needs to be in the ear of Anthony Wood (Roku founder and CEO). Roku is a $15 billion company and just started a streaming service called Howdy. Should go all in on A&M.


Naming rights and donations would be off the charts should it move forward. Same thing at Bama, OU, Notre Dame, and the list goes on.

Respectfully,

Yancy '95
Richleau12
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Bob Yancy said:

MsDoubleD81 said:

Is this going to replace Reed Arena?


That's a Tamu question. With a multi-event center, Aggie Hoops would be but one minor tenant. You're talking live music, family entertainment, sports, conventions… once and for all answering the question: "what's there to do in Aggieland?"

200 days and nights of entertainment per year, for locals and tourists alike.

Respectfully

Yancy '95


Sold.
Stucco
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Wow, that guy was a better salesman than I thought if he convinced all of you.

I'm sticking with my original question. How does this positively impact citizen qol? Find a way to give the citizens a benefit commensurate to their investment. E.g. citizens get half price to all events.

Until then it is just a monorail.
australopithecus robustus
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Did you watch the meeting, presentation, and Hunter Goodwyn's comments in their entirety?
doubledog
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So I will ask the question. What is in it for TAMU? They have Reed, which is more than enough for the sports events. They have a convention center. They have an event arena (Kyle) that can hold over 100K people. The only thing I can see that TAMU would need it for is graduations. What is TAMU contribution to this? The land, which I assume they will lease back to the events/convention center.

What does the county want it for? They have the expo center and the Brazos center, which would compete with an event center. What is the counties contribution.

Finally what will be Bryan's contribution? They have an event center that will be directly compete with the proposed 'new' center.

I hate to be that guy, but I see CoCS picking up the rest of slack.

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Stucco said:

Wow, that guy was a better salesman than I thought if he convinced all of you.

I'm sticking with my original question. How does this positively impact citizen qol? Find a way to give the citizens a benefit commensurate to their investment. E.g. citizens get half price to all events.

Until then it is just a monorail.

You all know that this is how the salesman makes his living? We should not trust the words of the person who sells the snake oil, but to the words of the person who has bought it.
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Reed is a terrible basketball venue. Overall, not that great as a multi-use venue probably.

As a Bryan resident and basketball season ticket holder, I'd love to see CS taxpayers take the lead on this one.
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200 days and nights of entertainment per year, for locals and tourists alike.

I am very skeptical of this number.
Captn_Ag05
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Reed has a lot of flaws and is not long for this world. If the money was there, they would have already replaced it. I've heard that it will be replaced within ten years, so the timing and potential partnerships for this deal could make a lot of sense for TAMU.
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jac4 said:

Reed is a terrible basketball venue. Overall, not that great as a multi-use venue probably.

As a Bryan resident and basketball season ticket holder, I'd love to see CS taxpayers take the lead on this one.


If this is to work, it'll take all of us pulling the wagon- and I mean all of us.

Texas A&M University System
Texas A&M University
The State of Texas
Brazos County
The City of Bryan
The City of College Station

We all stand to benefit. Immensely.

But even for those that see the benefit, having vision is one thing- Executing that vision by building consensus around it is something else.

With vision and consensus, we could have something incredibly special all but completely paid for by visitors to our community, willing donors, and the great State of Texas- as opposed to local residents going it alone.

This will come down to the same question I posed over a year ago on another thread on this topic. "Can we all come together in Aggieland and do something transformative, working together?"

We're about to find out. I as one member of council deeply hope we can.

Respectfully

Yancy '95

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powerbelly said:


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200 days and nights of entertainment per year, for locals and tourists alike.

I am very skeptical of this number.

I have a lot of questions, but this one in particular is one I have. I assume any deal with TAMU would give the basketball and volleyball teams the priority on access to the arena. Concerts and events like Disney on Ice, etc. book well in advance. There s a lot of uncertainty about basketball and volleyball schedules until fairly close to the season. They just announced the basketball schedules less than a month ago and the seasons start in November. Places like the new Moody center in Austin have figured it out, so it can be done, but definitely will present challenges. But, acts are also going to be more likely to work around schedules and availabilities for a market like Austin than they will for BCS.
maroon barchetta
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Bob Yancy said:

jac4 said:

Reed is a terrible basketball venue. Overall, not that great as a multi-use venue probably.

As a Bryan resident and basketball season ticket holder, I'd love to see CS taxpayers take the lead on this one.


If this is to work, it'll take all of us pulling the wagon- and I mean all of us.

Texas A&M University System
Texas A&M University
The State of Texas
Brazos County
The City of Bryan
The City of College Station

We all stand to benefit. Immensely.

But even for those that see the benefit, having vision is one thing- Executing that vision by building consensus around it is something else.

With vision and consensus, we could have something incredibly special all but completely paid for by visitors to our community, willing donors, and the great State of Texas- as opposed to local residents going it alone.

This will come down to the same question I posed over a year ago on another thread on this topic. "Can we all come together in Aggieland and do something transformative, working together?"

We're about to find out. I as one member of council deeply hope we can.

Respectfully

Yancy '95




Can you give details to explain the part in bold?

We don't want a $450 million tax/bond bill for this.
Bob Yancy
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maroon barchetta said:

Bob Yancy said:

jac4 said:

Reed is a terrible basketball venue. Overall, not that great as a multi-use venue probably.

As a Bryan resident and basketball season ticket holder, I'd love to see CS taxpayers take the lead on this one.


If this is to work, it'll take all of us pulling the wagon- and I mean all of us.

Texas A&M University System
Texas A&M University
The State of Texas
Brazos County
The City of Bryan
The City of College Station

We all stand to benefit. Immensely.

But even for those that see the benefit, having vision is one thing- Executing that vision by building consensus around it is something else.

With vision and consensus, we could have something incredibly special all but completely paid for by visitors to our community, willing donors, and the great State of Texas- as opposed to local residents going it alone.

This will come down to the same question I posed over a year ago on another thread on this topic. "Can we all come together in Aggieland and do something transformative, working together?"

We're about to find out. I as one member of council deeply hope we can.

Respectfully

Yancy '95




Can you give details to explain the part in bold?

We don't want a $450 million tax/bond bill for this.


There is legislation allowing for the collection and redirection of state sales and HOT tax for the financing and construction of such facilities. There's also HOT tax from the cities which could be used to fund debt payments. As of 2013, Brazos County also collects a 2.75% HOT tax on every night's stay by an out of town visitor. And if willing donors can provide tens and tens of millions to buy out a coaching contract for an episodic event, imagine what loyal Ags would be willing to donate to be a part of something this transformative that'll endure for decades. It all adds up to a largely tourist and loyal Ag financed game changer for our community. If the shortfall is split proportionately based on calculated fiscal benefit you reach an affordable funding threshold.

But that's all premature at this juncture. If we move forward, we need to know the exact size and configuration and estimated cost of the facility from a public perspective, as well as the private sector development potential- and those private sector improvements would be taxable and those funds in turn could also be redirected toward the project.

But before any of that we'll need an answer to a simple question: is this worth pursuing?

I'm a "yes" and have been for a while.

Respectfully & Transparently

Yancy '95
Duffel Pud
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This is ultimately just a math problem. No amount of cheerleading will overcome a tax liability that spans generations.
powerbelly
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Duffel Pud said:

This is ultimately just a math problem. No amount of cheerleading will overcome a tax liability that spans generations.

Sure it will. The people who ultimately make the decision will be long gone before the **** hits the fan. They clearly want a "legacy" defining project and don't seem to care that no one else really wants this.
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I figured a TRZ would be an option here, similar to what San Antonio is trying to pull of with Project Marvel. Not sure how many dollars would be available from that, but it could certainly help, and they are "use it or lose it (to the state) dollars."

Why don't any of the materials include an arena? I was confused as to what was being proposed based on the packet, and had to watch the meeting to piece together what was going on.
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So, doing a little noodling...

Men's hoops has 18 games at Reed for the 25-26 season
Women's hoops has 13 (google says they average 16)
Volleyball - 10 home games

Now, NIT, hosting 1st round of playoffs, etc. can cause those numbers to go up. But, let's say an average of 50 games, or let's be optimistic, and say 60 per calendar year.

Graduations, what 8? for spring and fall, let's say 4 for Summer (August), so there's another 20.

So, 80 events are squarely TAMU. 200 total time slots, they are taking up 40% of them.

With five entities involved, TAMU, TAMUS, CoCS, CoB, Brazos County, let's assume the cost is $100M. (for argument's sake)

In my mind, $40M would be TAMUs tab, the remaining $60M split amongst the other 4 entities? I would assume a similar split amongst the entities for maintenance?

This brings up other questions...

Does TAMU bulldoze Reed in this instance? Moving Olsen to where Reed sits now would be amazing... (my preference)

What does this do to plans for Wolf Pen Creek? If this is our concert venue, that cuts into the company proposing to run that's marketshare, I assume?

What does the county do with things like the Brazos Center? I assume the Expo Center is still the go-to for livestock shows, etc.

Lots of questions to answer, and I know you don't have them all answered yet, Bob. Just throwing these out there for discussion.
powerbelly
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The Moody Center cost about $375MM. Not sure what other comparable facilities cost recently.
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powerbelly said:

The Moody Center cost about $375MM. Not sure what other comparable facilities cost recently.

So, change my number to $400M (for argument's sake) $160M for TAMU, $240M for the rest.
BCSWguru
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If we're getting a Moody Center, sign me up. Anything else, its a bunch of blah.
Richleau12
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Bob Yancy said:

maroon barchetta said:

Bob Yancy said:

jac4 said:

Reed is a terrible basketball venue. Overall, not that great as a multi-use venue probably.

As a Bryan resident and basketball season ticket holder, I'd love to see CS taxpayers take the lead on this one.


If this is to work, it'll take all of us pulling the wagon- and I mean all of us.

Texas A&M University System
Texas A&M University
The State of Texas
Brazos County
The City of Bryan
The City of College Station

We all stand to benefit. Immensely.

But even for those that see the benefit, having vision is one thing- Executing that vision by building consensus around it is something else.

With vision and consensus, we could have something incredibly special all but completely paid for by visitors to our community, willing donors, and the great State of Texas- as opposed to local residents going it alone.

This will come down to the same question I posed over a year ago on another thread on this topic. "Can we all come together in Aggieland and do something transformative, working together?"

We're about to find out. I as one member of council deeply hope we can.

Respectfully

Yancy '95




Can you give details to explain the part in bold?

We don't want a $450 million tax/bond bill for this.


There is legislation allowing for the collection and redirection of state sales and HOT tax for the financing and construction of such facilities. There's also HOT tax from the cities which could be used to fund debt payments. As of 2013, Brazos County also collects a 2.75% HOT tax on every night's stay by an out of town visitor. And if willing donors can provide tens and tens of millions to buy out a coaching contract for an episodic event, imagine what loyal Ags would be willing to donate to be a part of something this transformative that'll endure for decades. It all adds up to a largely tourist and loyal Ag financed game changer for our community. If the shortfall is split proportionately based on calculated fiscal benefit you reach an affordable funding threshold.

But that's all premature at this juncture. If we move forward, we need to know the exact size and configuration and estimated cost of the facility from a public perspective, as well as the private sector development potential- and those private sector improvements would be taxable and those funds in turn could also be redirected toward the project.

But before any of that we'll need an answer to a simple question: is this worth pursuing?

I'm a "yes" and have been for a while.

Respectfully & Transparently

Yancy '95


With that, would there be locals discounts on concert tickets and events? That might sure up some worry? Personally, I'm shocked at how little there is to do in this growing city. If this entertainment center can provide more options, I'm all for it. I'll never forget going to the Hollywood bowl, seeing folks in the nearby neighborhood walk and head in like it was their backyard park to enjoy a concert and a nice meal under the stars. I long for a local venue to cease the need for me to drive to Houston, Austin, or Dallas for similar benefit.

If we sell the naming rights to offset the cost, if we partner with private business to onshore the entertainment option, if we partner with A&M to provide a better venue than horrid Reed Arena, then I think everyone in this town wins and the cost to bear would be less than most would think. That's a lot of ifs, but all very feasible. What I don't understand is not seeing obvious positive impact on the community. It all comes down to cost and that weight on the taxpayer.

But I'm sold and have been for awhile on this idea.
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Yeah, knowing the folks who open their pocketbooks to get rid of coaches, I don't think they are going to be nearly as willing to donate for something like this. Completely different types of motivation.
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trouble said:

Yeah, knowing the folks the who their pocketbooks to get rid of coaches, I don't think they are going to be nearly as willing to donate for something like this. Completely different types of motivation.

I still am really struggling to see the demand for this.

I attend dozens of conferences a year. None are anywhere like College Station. I love the town, but I am not about to suggest my company hold our annual conference there. The airport is a huge factor that I don't think is being properly considered.
 
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