Special CS City Council Meeting

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BobAchgill
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maroon barchetta said:

BobAchgill said:

b0ridi said:

BobAchgill said:

All the council members should be recalled now before the elephant dominates the two cities. Then use the open meetings to void the contracts penned without citizens knowledge. Pressure Texas A&M to cancel the RELLIS datacenter and nuclear power generation plans or have them moved to remote Texas A&M land holdings where there is water security (if that even exists in Texas). How? Make the housing occupancy for family to be biological family as the clear intent of the word.

What?


Texas A&M needs student housing from College Station to exist. If College Station clarified their zoning definition of "family" to be biological family then that one small sentence would drastically reduce the number of students able to live in College Station. College Station has tremendous political soft power over Texas A&M. College Station should move toward tightening up their zoning language on single family occupancy rules to say family means biological family members if Texas A&M insists on bringing water security, power instability and financial harm to College Station residents by putting in commercialy unproven nuclear powered datacenters at RELLIS.


Why do you believe that bolded part to be true?


After the midtown datacenter portion of the College Station city council meeting i stuck around to see what was being said as the council finished up the rest of their agenda items. There were more council and staff in the room than audience. The meeting went on for another hour... till 1AM.

The thing they were deliberating on was the definition of the meaning of "family" in the city code. It appears dozens of times in the city code.
'We have to define the word "family" better because of State requirements that have been handed down.'
'Is it a group of people?' '
'Is it what our culture thinks it means?'
'If we say it means one thing then that impacts what it means elsewhere in the zoning part of the code'
Nichols said let's table this and do a working group on it later in the month.

College Station... this is your chance. Show up at that meeting and pull for family to mean biological. That will be a shot across the bow to Texas A&M...
maroon barchetta
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After a data center meeting where the city reps were met with verbal pitchforks and torches, they decided to hang around another hour to talk about wording of an ordinance completely unrelated to what was discussed earlier that evening? With one random citizen just hanging around until 1am?

Which council member or staffer runs this sock?
b0ridi
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maroon barchetta said:

After a data center meeting where the city reps were met with verbal pitchforks and torches, they decided to hang around another hour to talk about wording of an ordinance completely unrelated to what was discussed earlier that evening? With one random citizen just hanging around until 1am?

Which council member or staffer runs this sock?

It's probably a real person - the same Bob Achgill who ran for Bryan City Council:

https://texags.com/forums/35/topics/3500149/replies/68810275

CoCS changing the definition of "family" isn't going to make A&M do anything - the state government already slapped down B/CS specifically in this legislative session when they disallowed occupancy limits based on related/unrelated residents.
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BobAchgill said:

b0ridi said:

BobAchgill said:

All the council members should be recalled now before the elephant dominates the two cities. Then use the open meetings to void the contracts penned without citizens knowledge. Pressure Texas A&M to cancel the RELLIS datacenter and nuclear power generation plans or have them moved to remote Texas A&M land holdings where there is water security (if that even exists in Texas). How? Make the housing occupancy for family to be biological family as the clear intent of the word.

What?


Texas A&M needs student housing from College Station to exist. If College Station clarified their zoning definition of "family" to be biological family then that one small sentence would drastically reduce the number of students able to live in College Station. College Station has tremendous political soft power over Texas A&M. College Station should move toward tightening up their zoning language on single family occupancy rules to say family means biological family members if Texas A&M insists on bringing water security, power instability and financial harm to College Station residents by putting in commercialy unproven nuclear powered datacenters at RELLIS.


Just so we are clear, not only do you want to discriminate against unwed couples, you also want to discriminate against families with foster or adopted children.
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BiochemAg97 said:

BobAchgill said:

b0ridi said:

BobAchgill said:

All the council members should be recalled now before the elephant dominates the two cities. Then use the open meetings to void the contracts penned without citizens knowledge. Pressure Texas A&M to cancel the RELLIS datacenter and nuclear power generation plans or have them moved to remote Texas A&M land holdings where there is water security (if that even exists in Texas). How? Make the housing occupancy for family to be biological family as the clear intent of the word.

What?


Texas A&M needs student housing from College Station to exist. If College Station clarified their zoning definition of "family" to be biological family then that one small sentence would drastically reduce the number of students able to live in College Station. College Station has tremendous political soft power over Texas A&M. College Station should move toward tightening up their zoning language on single family occupancy rules to say family means biological family members if Texas A&M insists on bringing water security, power instability and financial harm to College Station residents by putting in commercialy unproven nuclear powered datacenters at RELLIS.


Just so we are clear, not only do you want to discriminate against unwed couples, you also want to discriminate against families with foster or adopted children.



Yeah…it's a bit loony. Back to the multi-use center, I agree, traffic would need to be looked at. It's possible during events that traffic could be relegated back down university and to Texas. I'd venture the businesses there would want as much spill over as possible.
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Richleau12 said:

BiochemAg97 said:

BobAchgill said:

b0ridi said:

BobAchgill said:

All the council members should be recalled now before the elephant dominates the two cities. Then use the open meetings to void the contracts penned without citizens knowledge. Pressure Texas A&M to cancel the RELLIS datacenter and nuclear power generation plans or have them moved to remote Texas A&M land holdings where there is water security (if that even exists in Texas). How? Make the housing occupancy for family to be biological family as the clear intent of the word.

What?


Texas A&M needs student housing from College Station to exist. If College Station clarified their zoning definition of "family" to be biological family then that one small sentence would drastically reduce the number of students able to live in College Station. College Station has tremendous political soft power over Texas A&M. College Station should move toward tightening up their zoning language on single family occupancy rules to say family means biological family members if Texas A&M insists on bringing water security, power instability and financial harm to College Station residents by putting in commercialy unproven nuclear powered datacenters at RELLIS.


Just so we are clear, not only do you want to discriminate against unwed couples, you also want to discriminate against families with foster or adopted children.



Yeah…it's a bit loony. Back to the multi-use center, I agree, traffic would need to be looked at. It's possible during events that traffic could be relegated back down university and to Texas. I'd venture the businesses there would want as much spill over as possible.

Kyle Field seats 100k or so. I think traffic issues can be handled for a basketball game just fine.
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FlyRod
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BobAchgill said:

maroon barchetta said:

BobAchgill said:

b0ridi said:

BobAchgill said:

All the council members should be recalled now before the elephant dominates the two cities. Then use the open meetings to void the contracts penned without citizens knowledge. Pressure Texas A&M to cancel the RELLIS datacenter and nuclear power generation plans or have them moved to remote Texas A&M land holdings where there is water security (if that even exists in Texas). How? Make the housing occupancy for family to be biological family as the clear intent of the word.

What?


Texas A&M needs student housing from College Station to exist. If College Station clarified their zoning definition of "family" to be biological family then that one small sentence would drastically reduce the number of students able to live in College Station. College Station has tremendous political soft power over Texas A&M. College Station should move toward tightening up their zoning language on single family occupancy rules to say family means biological family members if Texas A&M insists on bringing water security, power instability and financial harm to College Station residents by putting in commercialy unproven nuclear powered datacenters at RELLIS.


Why do you believe that bolded part to be true?


After the midtown datacenter portion of the College Station city council meeting i stuck around to see what was being said as the council finished up the rest of their agenda items. There were more council and staff in the room than audience. The meeting went on for another hour... till 1AM.

The thing they were deliberating on was the definition of the meaning of "family" in the city code. It appears dozens of times in the city code.
'We have to define the word "family" better because of State requirements that have been handed down.'
'Is it a group of people?' '
'Is it what our culture thinks it means?'
'If we say it means one thing then that impacts what it means elsewhere in the zoning part of the code'
Nichols said let's table this and do a working group on it later in the month.

College Station... this is your chance. Show up at that meeting and pull for family to mean biological. That will be a shot across the bow to Texas A&M...


Declaring war against TAMU seems…extremely ill-thought and destined to probably not go the way you think/want.
maroon barchetta
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techno-ag said:

Richleau12 said:

BiochemAg97 said:

BobAchgill said:

b0ridi said:

BobAchgill said:

All the council members should be recalled now before the elephant dominates the two cities. Then use the open meetings to void the contracts penned without citizens knowledge. Pressure Texas A&M to cancel the RELLIS datacenter and nuclear power generation plans or have them moved to remote Texas A&M land holdings where there is water security (if that even exists in Texas). How? Make the housing occupancy for family to be biological family as the clear intent of the word.

What?


Texas A&M needs student housing from College Station to exist. If College Station clarified their zoning definition of "family" to be biological family then that one small sentence would drastically reduce the number of students able to live in College Station. College Station has tremendous political soft power over Texas A&M. College Station should move toward tightening up their zoning language on single family occupancy rules to say family means biological family members if Texas A&M insists on bringing water security, power instability and financial harm to College Station residents by putting in commercialy unproven nuclear powered datacenters at RELLIS.


Just so we are clear, not only do you want to discriminate against unwed couples, you also want to discriminate against families with foster or adopted children.



Yeah…it's a bit loony. Back to the multi-use center, I agree, traffic would need to be looked at. It's possible during events that traffic could be relegated back down university and to Texas. I'd venture the businesses there would want as much spill over as possible.

Kyle Field seats 100k or so. I think traffic issues can be handled for a basketball game just fine.


Does Kyle (or Reed for that matter) dump onto Texas or South College, with one of those having medians that force traffic in one direction only and the other having wonky crossovers?
Richleau12
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maroon barchetta said:

techno-ag said:

Richleau12 said:

BiochemAg97 said:

BobAchgill said:

b0ridi said:

BobAchgill said:

All the council members should be recalled now before the elephant dominates the two cities. Then use the open meetings to void the contracts penned without citizens knowledge. Pressure Texas A&M to cancel the RELLIS datacenter and nuclear power generation plans or have them moved to remote Texas A&M land holdings where there is water security (if that even exists in Texas). How? Make the housing occupancy for family to be biological family as the clear intent of the word.

What?


Texas A&M needs student housing from College Station to exist. If College Station clarified their zoning definition of "family" to be biological family then that one small sentence would drastically reduce the number of students able to live in College Station. College Station has tremendous political soft power over Texas A&M. College Station should move toward tightening up their zoning language on single family occupancy rules to say family means biological family members if Texas A&M insists on bringing water security, power instability and financial harm to College Station residents by putting in commercialy unproven nuclear powered datacenters at RELLIS.


Just so we are clear, not only do you want to discriminate against unwed couples, you also want to discriminate against families with foster or adopted children.



Yeah…it's a bit loony. Back to the multi-use center, I agree, traffic would need to be looked at. It's possible during events that traffic could be relegated back down university and to Texas. I'd venture the businesses there would want as much spill over as possible.

Kyle Field seats 100k or so. I think traffic issues can be handled for a basketball game just fine.


Does Kyle (or Reed for that matter) dump onto Texas or South College, with one of those having medians that force traffic in one direction only and the other having wonky crossovers?


You do realize A&M is an engineering school right? I think a plan can be hatched to soothe your traffic worry.
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FlyRod said:

BobAchgill said:

maroon barchetta said:

BobAchgill said:

b0ridi said:

BobAchgill said:

All the council members should be recalled now before the elephant dominates the two cities. Then use the open meetings to void the contracts penned without citizens knowledge. Pressure Texas A&M to cancel the RELLIS datacenter and nuclear power generation plans or have them moved to remote Texas A&M land holdings where there is water security (if that even exists in Texas). How? Make the housing occupancy for family to be biological family as the clear intent of the word.

What?


Texas A&M needs student housing from College Station to exist. If College Station clarified their zoning definition of "family" to be biological family then that one small sentence would drastically reduce the number of students able to live in College Station. College Station has tremendous political soft power over Texas A&M. College Station should move toward tightening up their zoning language on single family occupancy rules to say family means biological family members if Texas A&M insists on bringing water security, power instability and financial harm to College Station residents by putting in commercialy unproven nuclear powered datacenters at RELLIS.


Why do you believe that bolded part to be true?


After the midtown datacenter portion of the College Station city council meeting i stuck around to see what was being said as the council finished up the rest of their agenda items. There were more council and staff in the room than audience. The meeting went on for another hour... till 1AM.

The thing they were deliberating on was the definition of the meaning of "family" in the city code. It appears dozens of times in the city code.
'We have to define the word "family" better because of State requirements that have been handed down.'
'Is it a group of people?' '
'Is it what our culture thinks it means?'
'If we say it means one thing then that impacts what it means elsewhere in the zoning part of the code'
Nichols said let's table this and do a working group on it later in the month.

College Station... this is your chance. Show up at that meeting and pull for family to mean biological. That will be a shot across the bow to Texas A&M...


Declaring war against TAMU seems…extremely ill-thought and destined to probably not go the way you think/want.


It seems that war was first declared on College Station and Bryan by Governor Abbott and Texas A&M. Bryan city leaders got passified by being offered to annex to add in tax base, but this in no way mitigates the existential risk to citizens of Bryan or College station. College Station got no tax deal like Bryan.

The State of Texas is advancing a plan to install four unproven small modular nuclear reactors (SMRs) at Texas A&M's RELLIS campus to power massive data centers. These reactors have never been commercially operated in the U.S., and launching such a first-of-its-kind project carries extraordinary risks of unintended consequencesespecially when nuclear technology, critical power infrastructure, and shrinking water supplies all intersect.

While Bryan stands to gain roughly $500 million annually in new tax base, College Station receives no financial benefit. Yet it's College Station residents who will bear the full burden: potentially 10 higher power bills if the SMRs trip offline and data centers pull from the grid, accelerated water scarcity from water-hungry reactors, 24/7 industrial noise, and the unquantified risks of the first commercial SMR deployment in the U.S.

Worse, local College Station leadership has quietly played a role in enabling the state and Texas A&M to obscure the enormity of these risks, hiding behind NDAs and closed-door sessions instead of informing the public. Their silence and procedural cooperation have allowed this project to advance without transparent debate, environmental review, or meaningful citizen input.

This is happening against a backdrop of state water mismanagement, where San Antonio, Georgetown, and Samsung have been allowed to draw down the same aquifer, cutting local water security from 50 years to just 810. The Governor has prioritized outside industrial interests, assuming College Station will quietly accept the risks while others reap the rewards.

But firsts always bring unintended consequences, and this confluence of nuclear, power, and water magnifies the stakes. Local leadership's complicity makes it even more urgent for residents to speak upbefore the risks are locked in and the community is left holding the bag.
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We get it. You're afraid of nuclear. Your fears however are unwarranted. Are you also not aware a nuclear facility has been operating at A&M since the early 90s? Fellas like Bob and their fear toward progress and the future are one of the prevailing reasons why College Station has been hamstrung to progress.
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Richleau12 said:

We get it. You're afraid of nuclear. Your fears however are unwarranted. Are you also not aware a nuclear facility has been operating at A&M since the early 90s? Fellas like Bob and their fear toward progress and the future are one of the prevailing reasons why College Station has been hamstrung to progress.


I'm not sure I follow the reasoning here.

First, are you saying these reactors carry no risks for the surrounding community, or that the city shouldn't have any say in how those risks are managed? That seems like an important distinction to make.

Second, if the benefits and tax revenue mainly flow to the nuclear and datacenter corporations and A&M, why should College Station alone shoulder most of the risk without a meaningful voice in the decision? That doesn't sound like a fair arrangement.

Finally, do you really think raising concerns about how a project is pushed through is the same as being "afraid of nuclear," or could it simply be about demanding transparent review and local input?

These are serious governance questions, not just emotional reactions. If the state wants to move forward, they should do so with open debate and shared responsibilitynot by sidelining the people most directly affected.
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I'm confused about how CS will shoulder most of the risk of something built in Bryan. Can you clarify that some?
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trouble said:

I'm confused about how CS will shoulder most of the risk of something built in Bryan. Can you clarify that some?

Agreed. Is he advocating CS try and annex RELLIS? It's in the Bryan city limits.
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maroon barchetta said:

Tee said:

Traffic. If you build a 15-20,000 seat arena slash multi use event center and build a garage or two for the cars, how are you getting people in and out in a time efficient manner? It's already an issue at Reed, which is proximate to two larger roads. Hensel is next to an already overcrowded Texas and University and next to College, which only goes north.


Think of how many u-turns will be attempted at Texas and University if that happens.

Is there a possibility to making Rosemary go west of Texas if this event center goes in at Hensel?


I think that I read about plans to extend Rosemary west of Texas, into what is currently a wooded area. No idea if that would change if the event center idea is approved or not.

I can not remember where I read this. If I do I will post a link for reference.
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techno-ag said:

trouble said:

I'm confused about how CS will shoulder most of the risk of something built in Bryan. Can you clarify that some?

Agreed. Is he advocating CS try and annex RELLIS? It's in the Bryan city limits.


I think he's just living in the past and terrified of progress/nuclear. This is an important program that could aid in powering the future of this country. Instead of being proud of that monumental development happening and for the folks that brought that progress to our door, he chooses to levy fear coupled with lack of understanding. I understand now why his leadership was kicked to the curb long ago.

Fear is a potent actor. But seriously though, if he wants to debate the merits of a nuclear facility that is currently underway by Rellis and the city of Bryan, perhaps he should start a separate thread and park his skyscreeching there.
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techno-ag said:

trouble said:

I'm confused about how CS will shoulder most of the risk of something built in Bryan. Can you clarify that some?

Agreed. Is he advocating CS try and annex RELLIS? It's in the Bryan city limits.


Water resources for Brazos County:
Water isn't much different from power. Take water first as an example. Recently, San Antonio began piping 40% of its daily water needs from the same aquifer that supplies Brazos County, along with Georgetown and the Samsung chip plant. This move reduced the water security for everyone in Brazos County from an estimated 50 years down to just 810 years.

As the easily accessible water is drained, it becomes more expensive to drill deeper wells to reach what remains at the bottom of the aquifer. And as the aquifer runs dry or begins to collapse from subsidence, those costs will soar even higher. Before long, communities will be forced to look to expensive alternativeslike importing water from the Gulf of Mexicoat astronomical cost compared to today.

Power resources for Brazos County:
We in BCS currently enjoy local, stable power generation thanks to BTU. But if the nuclear plant supplying the RELLIS datacenter were to suddenly trip offline, that datacenter would begin competing for our power. If contractual terms aren't consistently in our favor, the datacenter(s) could be prioritized, sending our power bills through the roof.

The first datacenter planned at RELLIS is rated at 377 MWroughly equal to the total power needs of College Station, Texas A&M, and Bryan combined. Once this industrial user becomes our neighbor, the cities will lose political leverage in power contracts and ecological matters. The datacenter will effectively be "the dog," and the cities will become "the tail being wagged."

I am advocating for no industrial size power user or producer at RELLIS. We will cease to have control of our city destinies.
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Where is the "local, stable power generation" coming from? Hopefully you are aware that Dansby doesn't come close to powering the whole city of Bryan, much less the whole area.
I have noticed that you repeatedly mention the possibility of nuclear reactors suddenly going offline, are you aware that other types of power plants can have failures and do that as well? It seems like you really have an axe to grind with nuclear power.
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It's difficult to remain in a non-dynamic municipal environment when you've got the largest Tier I research university in the world right next door. Things are going to continue changing around here with nuclear power, data centers, weapons development, event centers, Blue Alliance stuff and more.

Perhaps you could move to someplace like Terlingua to get away from all this progress.
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Too many rattlesnakes.
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Your claims about water sourcing and data centers in the Brazos Valley seem misleading and may be intended to stir fear to gain support. A quick review shows San Antonio sources its water from the Vista Ridge Pipeline, drawing from the Carrizo/Simsboro Aquifer in Burleson County. The Brazos County Water District uses a different, adjacent aquifer, not directly connected to San Antonio's supply.

The suggestion that Texas A&M won't take necessary steps to succeed is unfounded. As a state institution and Tier 1 research facility, A&M is committed to protecting its assets and advancing research that saves lives. The university is already pursuing approval for Small Modular Reactors (SMRs), which I support. SMRs provide reliable power, critical after past disruptions like the winter storm that destroyed decades of research. They also position A&M to lead in SMR development, a technology with growing potential.
Regarding safety, the regulatory process for SMRs is rigorous, and the Brazos Valley's low risk of natural disasters like earthquakes, combined with A&M's innovative emergency management team, ensures these projects will be handled responsibly.

On data centers, their arrival in the Brazos Valley is inevitableprivate landowners can sell to whomever they choose. Opposing them outright is unrealistic. Instead, the focus should be on where they're built and how they source water and power. The notion that data centers will "ruin" the community is exaggerated and seems out of step with broader sentiment.
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[If you post like that again on this board when your ban is over it will permanent. -Staff]
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techno-ag said:

It's difficult to remain in a non-dynamic municipal environment when you've got the largest Tier I research university in the world right next door. Things are going to continue changing around here with nuclear power, data centers, weapons development, event centers, Blue Alliance stuff and more.

Perhaps you could move to someplace like Terlingua to get away from all this progress.


Circling back to the first commercially run small nuclear reactor in the U.S., it's important to remember that first-of-their-kind technologies often bring unintended consequences, no matter how reputable the companies involved.

Years ago, I worked on a project installing a first-of-its-kind 35 MW cogeneration gas turbine. Cogeneration itself wasn't newwe were using a gas turbine to produce electricity for the grid while capturing waste heat for a chemical plant. But our lower-power package was the first of its kind.

Both companies we partnered with were top-tier, with extensive experience building larger and smaller systems for similar setups. This was no "garage experiment." Yet, on startup day, the gearbox exhibited a natural frequency issue that could have caused catastrophic damage if not addressed. The boiler twice tripped the system offline because of blown superheat tube sections. Each failed grid connection cost us $1 million in fines from HL&P.

I even visited the turbine manufacturer's factory to observe mitigation testing. As we walked through the massive facility, my host casually pointed down a bay and said, "That's where the gearbox for a Trident submarine is being built." These were the best of the best, and we still encountered expensive, unforeseen problems.

That experience taught me a hard truth: upscaling or downscaling complex engineering systems always brings unintended consequences, even for elite engineering firms. No one is immune.

Now apply that reality to the RELLIS datacenter, which will be tied to four separate first-of-a-kind small commercial nuclear reactors. Each one introduces its own learning curve, startup issues, and potential failure modes. Instead of one point of risk, you're multiplying it by fourright next to the same grid that powers our homes, schools, and hospitals.

And yes, there are edge-case failure scenarios to consider. For example, a boiler failure on the tertiary high-pressure steam loop of a thorium salt small modular reactor powering a 300 MW+ generator could "rapidly disassemble" and trigger a heat spike on the nuclear side faster than the freeze plug can melt. Even with inherently safer reactor designs, there are realistic situations where cascading failures can outpace engineered safety responses.

Even in the best-case scenario, where the freeze plug works exactly as intended and the fuel salt drains safely, the reactor would still face significant downtimeanywhere from a week to several monthswhile going through mandatory inspections, reviews, and recertifications before returning online. During that entire period, the massive datacenter load doesn't vanish. It shifts to the local power grid, directly competing with residents and businesses for electricity, driving up prices and straining local infrastructure.

And these edge cases can't simply be dismissed, especially when this entire nucleardatacenter venture is framed as "research," not commercially proven technology. By definition, research and first-of-a-kind deployments are where the unknowns get discovered and worked out in real time. That's how innovation happensbut it also means the surrounding community is being asked to shoulder the risks and costs of those unknowns. When the technology hasn't been proven at commercial scale, the margin for error is smaller, and the consequences for the local grid, water supply, and residents are far greater.

In my real-life example, when we blew the superheat section tubes, all we had to do was slam shut the natural gas valve, and the turbine's heat production stopped almost immediately. That was our fail-safe: turn off the fuel, and the system cools.

With a nuclear system, the dynamics are entirely different. You can't simply "turn it off." You're dealing with decay heat, complex thermal behaviors, and safety mechanisms that must perform flawlessly under stress.

I have no doubt the engineers working on these reactors are smart, capable people who've tried hard to anticipate edge cases. But at the end of the day, it's not the companies or engineers who bear the consequences if something unexpected happensit's the citizens who live next door.

And that raises the fundamental question:

> Shouldn't it be the citizens, not a small group of companies or planners, who decide whether they're willing to risk their families and communities to commercially test these designs in their own backyard?
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You haven't been a mechanical engineer since the 80s Bob. I hate to break it to you, but technology has improved since then.

Imagine being against nuclear but also complaining about lack of energy. Either way, the project is moving forward, is a landmark achievement and will pave the way for rest of the nation in the long term and in the short term be providing numerous research jobs, construction jobs, engineering jobs, etc. This is a massive win for this area and it's time you stop living in the past.

Your mea culpa is akin to the buggy driver shouting about the dangers of the automobile.
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Looking straight ahead you'll never see it
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BobAchgill said:

techno-ag said:

It's difficult to remain in a non-dynamic municipal environment when you've got the largest Tier I research university in the world right next door. Things are going to continue changing around here with nuclear power, data centers, weapons development, event centers, Blue Alliance stuff and more.

Perhaps you could move to someplace like Terlingua to get away from all this progress.


> Shouldn't it be the citizens, not a small group of companies or planners, who decide whether they're willing to risk their families and communities to commercially test these designs in their own backyard?

Again, it boils down to Texas A&M is going to Texas A&M. They've had nuke stuff on campus for decades. I think we'll be fine.
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The "nuke on campus" is not nearly to the scale of producing power for outside consumption.
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I feel like that Chernobyl tv series really freaked people out. It was extremely well done, but also wildly overstated the impacts of that disaster. Ditto Three Mile Island.

Nukes are clean and these days, safe. Build 'em far and wide across the state. We need them.
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It didn't overstate the impacts of that disaster. Multiple nuclear engineering grads posted on the thread for that series on the Entertainment Board when it aired, all saying how much they got right and how well they represented the science and account of the accident.

Obviously nobody is putting a 1980's Soviet RBMK reactor with graphite-tipped control rods out at RELLIS, so the risk is greatly reduced.

But don't think that the Chernobyl meltdown was anything less than a disaster.

If you disagree, we can take a vacation to that part of the world and I'll drop you off at the perimeter fence and you can go for a visit and break into the sarco****us.

You will need to find your own way back though.
EFR
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Chernobyl and Three Miles Island are not remotely comparable. I am all for nuclear, but let's be realistic.
Three Mile Island was overblown, Chernobyl was not. Simply put, if something was so bad the Soviets evacuated an area permanently it is really bad.
FlyRod
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I've been to the area. Yes it was bad but it wasn't the apocalypse first described. What happened in the Urals back in the 60s was a different matter.

My point was that our reactors today are vastly safer and cleaner
maroon barchetta
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Sure, Jan.
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Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!
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AG
We got to page 7 before the thread went completely off the rails. Progress.
 
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