Special CS City Council Meeting

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In reply to trouble • 10:43a, 9/30/25
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Yeah, knowing the folks the who their pocketbooks to get rid of coaches, I don't think they are going to be nearly as willing to donate for something like this. Completely different types of motivation.


No kidding.

Maybe ask some of them before assuming they will just hand over the checkbook because you want them to.

And the big donors want their name on something. A building. One of the columns at Kyle. Something like that. They won't want to donate to an event center only to have it be the ANCO Insurance Aggieland Event Center and have the loading dock named after them.
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In reply to maroon barchetta • 10:46a, 9/30/25
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We haven't even been able to raise the money for Olsen renovation yet.
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In reply to maroon barchetta • 10:46a, 9/30/25
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I claim the Captn_Ag urinals.
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In reply to Captn_Ag05 • 10:47a, 9/30/25
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That's dermdoc's joke
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10:47a, 9/30/25
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The "Hornbeck Drainage Ditch" has a nice ring to it.....
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In reply to powerbelly • 10:48a, 9/30/25
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powerbelly said:
trouble said:
Yeah, knowing the folks the who their pocketbooks to get rid of coaches, I don't think they are going to be nearly as willing to donate for something like this. Completely different types of motivation.

I still am really struggling to see the demand for this.

I attend dozens of conferences a year. None are anywhere like College Station. I love the town, but I am not about to suggest my company hold our annual conference there. The airport is a huge factor that I don't think is being properly considered.


I don't attend a bunch anymore but the few I'm interested in, I can't see choosing a place like B/CS
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In reply to trouble • 10:48a, 9/30/25
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trouble said:
We haven't even been able to raise the money for Olsen renovation yet.

That's because they are going to move it to where Reed is now....
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In reply to trouble • 10:48a, 9/30/25
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I will take a handicap stall then
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In reply to Captn_Ag05 • 10:49a, 9/30/25
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Fitting
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In reply to Hornbeck • 10:49a, 9/30/25
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Hornbeck said:
trouble said:
We haven't even been able to raise the money for Olsen renovation yet.

That's because they are going to move it to where Reed is now....

That will lose part of the money we currently have pledged.
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10:52a, 9/30/25
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Wedged up against the train tracks is a problem expanding like they are in Baton Rouge. I think that we could sell out that size stadium, if we had the capacity. That's gotta drive an AD crazy... unmet demand.
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In reply to trouble • 10:58a, 9/30/25
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trouble said:
powerbelly said:
trouble said:
Yeah, knowing the folks the who their pocketbooks to get rid of coaches, I don't think they are going to be nearly as willing to donate for something like this. Completely different types of motivation.

I still am really struggling to see the demand for this.

I attend dozens of conferences a year. None are anywhere like College Station. I love the town, but I am not about to suggest my company hold our annual conference there. The airport is a huge factor that I don't think is being properly considered.


I don't attend a bunch anymore but the few I'm interested in, I can't see choosing a place like B/CS

I think we would have a bunch of disappointed customers if we moved from San Diego to College Station next year.
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In reply to Hornbeck • 10:58a, 9/30/25
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There's a decently wealthy faction that doesn't want it moved.
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In reply to powerbelly • 10:58a, 9/30/25
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That's probably true
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In reply to powerbelly • 11:18a, 9/30/25
powerbelly said:
trouble said:
Yeah, knowing the folks the who their pocketbooks to get rid of coaches, I don't think they are going to be nearly as willing to donate for something like this. Completely different types of motivation.

I still am really struggling to see the demand for this.

I attend dozens of conferences a year. None are anywhere like College Station. I love the town, but I am not about to suggest my company hold our annual conference there. The airport is a huge factor that I don't think is being properly considered.

We're probably shooting for more large regional type conferences. Think Texas Association of __________ rather than national conferences. Really I think the HEB Center in Cedar Park is more along the lines of how this project will go, but incorporating a convention center probably makes it a bit easier to keep booked.

Seems like the HEB Center is booked an average of 8 nights per month. A&M alone will get you to about 7 per month. If you add in concerts, a convention here and there, and Disney on Ice type events, you should be able to keep the arena bookings north of 12 event days per month.
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In reply to ReelAg6 • 11:24a, 9/30/25
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ReelAg6 said:
powerbelly said:
trouble said:
Yeah, knowing the folks the who their pocketbooks to get rid of coaches, I don't think they are going to be nearly as willing to donate for something like this. Completely different types of motivation.

I still am really struggling to see the demand for this.

I attend dozens of conferences a year. None are anywhere like College Station. I love the town, but I am not about to suggest my company hold our annual conference there. The airport is a huge factor that I don't think is being properly considered.

We're probably shooting for more large regional type conferences. Think Texas Association of __________ rather than national conferences. Really I think the HEB Center in Cedar Park is more along the lines of how this project will go, but incorporating a convention center probably makes it a bit easier to keep booked.

Seems like the HEB Center is booked an average of 8 nights per month. A&M alone will get you to about 7 per month. If you add in concerts, a convention here and there, and Disney on Ice type events, you should be able to keep the arena bookings north of 12 events per month.

I think you would need closer to 20 events per month to have this make even close to financial sense.
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In reply to powerbelly • 11:31a, 9/30/25
powerbelly said:
ReelAg6 said:
powerbelly said:
trouble said:
Yeah, knowing the folks the who their pocketbooks to get rid of coaches, I don't think they are going to be nearly as willing to donate for something like this. Completely different types of motivation.

I still am really struggling to see the demand for this.

I attend dozens of conferences a year. None are anywhere like College Station. I love the town, but I am not about to suggest my company hold our annual conference there. The airport is a huge factor that I don't think is being properly considered.

We're probably shooting for more large regional type conferences. Think Texas Association of __________ rather than national conferences. Really I think the HEB Center in Cedar Park is more along the lines of how this project will go, but incorporating a convention center probably makes it a bit easier to keep booked.

Seems like the HEB Center is booked an average of 8 nights per month. A&M alone will get you to about 7 per month. If you add in concerts, a convention here and there, and Disney on Ice type events, you should be able to keep the arena bookings north of 12 events per month.

I think you would need closer to 20 event per month to have this make even close to financial sense.

Outside of Vegas, I'm not sure many arenas in the country are that busy. I've looked at Moody, HEB, the Alamo Dome, Frost Center, and Toyota Center. They all average around 8-14 event days per month. Some of that is probably related to set up time for different configurations.
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11:36a, 9/30/25
If I'm paying for it, I want a material benefit above and beyond those around us that aren't paying for it.

If I'm not paying for it, then there is very little to talk about except increased infrastructure demand. Bring it on.
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In reply to ReelAg6 • 11:40a, 9/30/25
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Extraco Events in Waco has 225 events per year.

Comparing to Austin or Houston or Dallas or San Antonio venues isn't realistic or ideal.
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In reply to powerbelly • 11:52a, 9/30/25
powerbelly said:
Extraco Events in Waco has 225 events per year.

Comparing to Austin or Houston or Dallas or San Antonio venues isn't realistic or ideal.

Based on how I was counting, the Extraco Coliseum would be the comp from that facility, not the entire complex. Most of the events I saw on their website were booked for the expo hall, not the arena. I don't think we'll have the caliber of events that the major markets would have, but you can get a feel for how frequently a facility of this type could be used.
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In reply to ReelAg6 • 12:01p, 9/30/25
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ReelAg6 said:
powerbelly said:
Extraco Events in Waco has 225 events per year.

Comparing to Austin or Houston or Dallas or San Antonio venues isn't realistic or ideal.

Based on how I was counting, the Extraco Coliseum would be the comp from that facility, not the entire complex. Most of the events I saw on their website were booked for the expo hall, not the arena. I don't think we'll have the caliber of events that the major markets would have, but you can get a feel for how frequently a facility of this type could be used.
"Could be used" is the key phrase. Interesting how the convention center idea seemed to be struggling, now it has morphed into an arena to try and get some more buy-in
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In reply to BQ_90 • 12:03p, 9/30/25
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Captn_Ag05 said:
Lots of talk about sports venues and arenas. Is A&M interested in this as a replacement for Reed? This presentation is pretty lacking.

i doubt that, since when has A&M wanted to work outside of their foot print


Tennis facility at Midtown Bryan.
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In reply to BiochemAg97 • 12:04p, 9/30/25
BiochemAg97 said:
BQ_90 said:
Captn_Ag05 said:
Lots of talk about sports venues and arenas. Is A&M interested in this as a replacement for Reed? This presentation is pretty lacking.

i doubt that, since when has A&M wanted to work outside of their foot print


Tennis facility at Midtown Bryan.

And that was cancelled after the Mayor announced it.
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12:07p, 9/30/25
Is it still the case that we can't get big name artists for concerts here due to proximity to Austin and Houston?

That idea has been discussed before and someone allegedly in the know said that our location makes it a no-go for bigger tours.

And those of you with your hands hovering above your keyboard ready to type out "BUT GEORGE STRAIT PLAYED THE BIGGEST CONCERT IN WORLD HISTORY AT KYLE FIELD LAST YEAR AND IS ELEVENTY-BILLION TIMES MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN THE TAYLOR SWIFT ERAS TOUR!!" just don't bother posting.

That was a one-off event. George doesn't tour anymore.
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12:07p, 9/30/25
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What's everyone's problem with Reed Arena? I'm not saying it could serve the same purpose as this proposed new facility, but I'm curious why so many people don't like it. I remember when it was built and have always thought it was pretty nice. Then again, I was also used to J. Rollie White, which Reed blew out of the water from a facilities standpoint.
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In reply to Omperlodge • 12:07p, 9/30/25
Omperlodge said:
BiochemAg97 said:
BQ_90 said:
Captn_Ag05 said:
Lots of talk about sports venues and arenas. Is A&M interested in this as a replacement for Reed? This presentation is pretty lacking.

i doubt that, since when has A&M wanted to work outside of their foot print


Tennis facility at Midtown Bryan.

And that was cancelled after the Mayor announced it.


So, not knocking it out of the court?
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In reply to BQ_90 • 12:11p, 9/30/25
BQ_90 said:
Captn_Ag05 said:
Lots of talk about sports venues and arenas. Is A&M interested in this as a replacement for Reed? This presentation is pretty lacking.

i doubt that, since when has A&M wanted to work outside of their foot print
Hensel Park is on University land.
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In reply to powerbelly • 12:11p, 9/30/25
powerbelly said:
trouble said:
Yeah, knowing the folks the who their pocketbooks to get rid of coaches, I don't think they are going to be nearly as willing to donate for something like this. Completely different types of motivation.

I still am really struggling to see the demand for this.

I attend dozens of conferences a year. None are anywhere like College Station. I love the town, but I am not about to suggest my company hold our annual conference there. The airport is a huge factor that I don't think is being properly considered.

Also a pretty frequent conference attendee and that last point is spot on. Having a functional airport (which we do not) is a major, major big deal, and you are correct, it is not being properly considered at all.
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In reply to ReelAg6 • 12:14p, 9/30/25
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ReelAg6 said:
powerbelly said:
trouble said:
Yeah, knowing the folks the who their pocketbooks to get rid of coaches, I don't think they are going to be nearly as willing to donate for something like this. Completely different types of motivation.

I still am really struggling to see the demand for this.

I attend dozens of conferences a year. None are anywhere like College Station. I love the town, but I am not about to suggest my company hold our annual conference there. The airport is a huge factor that I don't think is being properly considered.

We're probably shooting for more large regional type conferences. Think Texas Association of __________ rather than national conferences. Really I think the HEB Center in Cedar Park is more along the lines of how this project will go, but incorporating a convention center probably makes it a bit easier to keep booked.

Seems like the HEB Center is booked an average of 8 nights per month. A&M alone will get you to about 7 per month. If you add in concerts, a convention here and there, and Disney on Ice type events, you should be able to keep the arena bookings north of 12 event days per month.


Even for the Texas assoc of whatever, we need a better airport and more events for convention goers.
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In reply to FlyRod • 12:21p, 9/30/25
There are a couple of national conferences I have attended in my current role. I haven't gone every year but they tend to be at more notable locations.

Cities where they have been held:

Houston
Chicago
San Diego (a few times)
Seattle
Boston
Denver
Philly
Tampa
Austin

For smaller regional conferences, they have done Woodlands, Galveston, New Orleans, San Antonio. But we are talking much much smaller.

Our airport situation isn't going to allow for the big conferences.
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12:23p, 9/30/25
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Not to brag, but in the last couple of years I have been stuck going (err had the pleasure of attending) conferences in Lubbock, Amarillo, Beaumont, and Shreveport. San Angelo later this year. At least Shreveport had cheap booze and casinos.
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12:23p, 9/30/25
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Something here would be perfect for state association conferences. Industry conventions, on the other hand, would likely need a much larger expo center than what I think they have in mind for this space.
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In reply to Captn_Ag05 • 12:23p, 9/30/25
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Who did you piss off?
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In reply to trouble • 12:26p, 9/30/25
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Believe it or not, I volunteered to go to Beaumont. I grew up there though, so got to see some cousins and friends. It was a good reminder of why we all moved away
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In reply to Captn_Ag05 • 12:30p, 9/30/25
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Beaumont was probably the only one I'd go to willingly.
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