Fair point. My apologies.

I didn't realize I was only quoting RTT. I assumed I was quoting a quote from a source.

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What am I missing here? RTT said that I10 was going down to 2 lanes in both directions. The link only mentions westbound being reduced (to 2 from 3). It sucks either way, but if the eastbound stays as is, at least mornings will be doable.

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That was from a news story I saw about it. If that info is wrong, I'm glad it's wrong.

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I Am A Critic said:

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Coog97 said:

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Been here for the entirety of my 52+ years... didn't always feel this way, but this city sucks.

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I-10 runs both ways.

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Doesn't sound like it will running much for the next few years.


I drive downtown to Memorial every day. I hate this project so much and have not seen anyone give a good answer to why it was needed. We'll see how bad this gets.

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This is part of a few things. The 288/ 59/ 45 interchange is a disaster. The plan is to take all traffic West of downtown with a portion being below grade and opening up EADO to have more ways to get into downtown.

They are also making Houston Ave a grade level crossing as it gets hit about once a week.

Just think how big the sheltered tent city will be.

How the hell are people going to get on and off I-10/I-45 if those closures are taking place? There's no easy detour

Am i missing something?

digging tunnels said:

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How the hell are people going to get on and off I-10/I-45 if those closures are taking place? There's no easy detour

Am i missing something?

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Some people are literally driving the wrong way on the feeder between Taylor and Studemont because the Taylor connections are closed on the north side. Many are also using the Target, Home Depot, and Kroger parking lots as the detour to get back to Studemont.

These detours will work for both I-10E to I-45N and I-45S to I-10W, assuming you are trying to stay inside the Loop and not take circuitous routes through neighborhoods:
- Take I-10E to McKee St, then use McKee to turn around and get on I-10W to I-45N; or
- Take I-45S to Pierce, the use Brazos to turn around and get on I-45N

Ryan the Temp said:

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digging tunnels said:

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How the hell are people going to get on and off I-10/I-45 if those closures are taking place? There's no easy detour

Am i missing something?

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Some people are literally driving the wrong way on the feeder between Taylor and Studemont because the Taylor connections are closed on the north side. Many are also using the Target, Home Depot, and Kroger parking lots as the detour to get back to Studemont.

These detours will work for both I-10E to I-45N and I-45S to I-10W, assuming you are trying to stay inside the Loop and not take circuitous routes through neighborhoods:
- Take I-10E to McKee St, then use McKee to turn around and get on I-10W to I-45N; or
- Take I-45S to Pierce, the use Brazos to turn around and get on I-45N

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The trail detour on Spring says to go to Stude Park to get to downtown.

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Coog97 said:

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Been here for the entirety of my 52+ years... didn't always feel this way, but this city sucks.

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Yep. Amazing place in the 80's and 90's. Garbage city now. Never thought I'd be happy out in the burbs.

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ITL is waaaay better than the 80s and 90s. Places like Southhampton had tons of crime from apartments in and around Richmond, West U was a nice but modest middle class enclave with nowhere near the wealth or status it has now, and no one on this board would've dreamed of living in Rice Military or the Heights.

In 1990 there were people that thought Houston was entering into an urban death spiral like Detroit or St Louis and ITL would become a no go zone.

That didn't happen. The no go zones developed in previously nice areas like southwest Houston / Sharpstown and everywhere between 610N and 1960. And now the hordes are pushing north of 1960.

But ITL is 100% better than the 80s and 90s.

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Yeah, I guess my perspective comes from growing up in Spring Branch. It was an amazing area to grow up in. And this city didn't feel overcrowded, and especially didn't feel like an extrension of the third world. I am glad the rich areas ITL are nice now, good for those liberal trustafarians, but my city is unrecognizable to me.

In 2005 after graduating at A&M though, my dad found out I was going to live in a rental in the heights with some buddies and i remember a "you sure you want to do that?" response. It had been transitioning and still had a ways to go, but he remembered it from the 80's and 90's.

And yet is still far from a 3rd world country.

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Diggity said:

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odd example as Spring Branch has gentrified as much as any area around town.

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And if he graduated from SBISD around 2001, the parts of the dirty branch that are going through gentrification now were not parts that I'd expect El Gallito Blanco to be using as the golden era of Spring Branch. I'm guessing he's from the area around Stratford which prob is the only section of SBISD that hasn't really improved much.

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Nope, I am a norteño. Was a regular at the Hammerly Pool when they still had the olympic high dive. I guess I just meant I miss when the city was simpler and not over congested. Even if we occasionally had to run away from the cholos or fight em. City Center sucks, I-10 at Gessner sucks....I'm more of a Town & Country guy.

Cliffs notes version: I am just an old man yelling at clouds who loved the way things used to be, don't mind me

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cajunaggie08 said:

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Diggity said:

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odd example as Spring Branch has gentrified as much as any area around town.

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And if he graduated from SBISD around 2001, the parts of the dirty branch that are going through gentrification now were not parts that I'd expect El Gallito Blanco to be using as the golden era of Spring Branch. I'm guessing he's from the area around Stratford which prob is the only section of SBISD that hasn't really improved much.

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Nope, I am a norteño. Was a regular at the Hammerly Pool when they still had the olympic high dive. I guess I just meant I miss when the city was simpler and not over congested. Even if we occasionally had to run away from the cholos or fight em. City Center sucks, I-10 at Gessner sucks....I'm more of a Town & Country guy.

Cliffs notes version: I am just an old man yelling at clouds who loved the way things used to be, don't mind me

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I remember seeing that high dive from the car as a kid and thinking that had to be the coolest pool in town.

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odd example as Spring Branch has gentrified as much as any area around town.

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I don't know man...yeah, there's a Torchy's and Mia's near I-10...and some cool developments on Long Point east...and Spring Valley is nice...but Spring Woods and Northbrook are still bad schools with relatively similar demographics, and, while single family home prices have increased substantially, that entire area, mostly along Gessner, remains relatively unchanged from the 80's and even has a lot of the same vibe. A lot of the same apartments and businesses that were there decades ago. Neighborhhoods like Royal Oaks haven't been torn down and rebuilt into mcmansions etc.

Contrast that with Heights/Sunset heights etc...which is virtually unrecognizable from the area I lived in from 2005-2011.

cajunaggie08 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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cajunaggie08 said:

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Diggity said:

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odd example as Spring Branch has gentrified as much as any area around town.

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And if he graduated from SBISD around 2001, the parts of the dirty branch that are going through gentrification now were not parts that I'd expect El Gallito Blanco to be using as the golden era of Spring Branch. I'm guessing he's from the area around Stratford which prob is the only section of SBISD that hasn't really improved much.

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Nope, I am a norteño. Was a regular at the Hammerly Pool when they still had the olympic high dive. I guess I just meant I miss when the city was simpler and not over congested. Even if we occasionally had to run away from the cholos or fight em. City Center sucks, I-10 at Gessner sucks....I'm more of a Town & Country guy.

Cliffs notes version: I am just an old man yelling at clouds who loved the way things used to be, don't mind me

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I remember seeing that high dive from the car as a kid and thinking that had to be the coolest pool in town.

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Ha I loved it...aside from the one time some drunk bozo carrying a sixer got aggressively flirty with my mom and damn near sexually assaulted her in front of me. Lifeguards grabbed him and kicked him out and called the cops. I can't imagine lifeguards these days getting involed to the level they did. 80's hit different.

it hasn't touched everything, but impossible to argue Spring Branch hasn't improved

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it hasn't touched everything, but impossible to argue Spring Branch hasn't improved

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Not looking to debate, it obviously has improved to an extent, I would never argue otherwise...but at the same time there are giant swaths that remain surprisingly consistent with the Spring Branch of the 80's and 90's. N Gessner from Westview up to Clay Rd, hell Hempstead Hwy...is actually VERY similar to how it was back then. Although it has obviously seen significant changes at Clay in recent years. Hammerly from BW8 to Blalock is damn near identical (maybe a new gas station or two).

It is still very largely hispanic...go cruise N Gessner.

IMO, that large section of N Spring Branch remains nostalgic to me because it is visually damn near identical to what I remember growing up for the most part. That's klind of what I like about both that area AND the area around Stratford...very recognizable and nostalgic, compared to other areas of the city that received an unrecognizable facelift.

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you literally argued the area you grew up in had gotten worse...and that you were nostalgic about the glory days in the 90's.

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Yeah, that was mostly in reference to the I-10 corridor area and how "busy" everything has gotten...and in response to other poster expressing how much better this city is now because West U and Heights and many ITL places are so much better and safer now.

I see what you are saying, my posts seem very conflicting, but was mostly b*tching about the city at large, in response to another poster. Hell, after thinking more about it, I realize just how unchanged Spring Branch is, compared to many other area...at least the areas I mentioned, which was largely the extent of my stomping grounds. We rarely spent much time east of Blalock.

Look, I'm used to losing fights, as a married man (even the ones I win). I'll give you the dub here

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digging tunnels said:

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How the hell are people going to get on and off I-10/I-45 if those closures are taking place? There's no easy detour

Am i missing something?

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Some people are literally driving the wrong way on the feeder between Taylor and Studemont because the Taylor connections are closed on the north side. Many are also using the Target, Home Depot, and Kroger parking lots as the detour to get back to Studemont.

These detours will work for both I-10E to I-45N and I-45S to I-10W, assuming you are trying to stay inside the Loop and not take circuitous routes through neighborhoods:
- Take I-10E to McKee St, then use McKee to turn around and get on I-10W to I-45N; or
- Take I-45S to Pierce, the use Brazos to turn around and get on I-45N

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These are alternatives but there's no way this is feasible, especially during rush hour for the thousands of cars that take this intersection in both directions. For example, just getting onto 45S from I-10E is a ****show alone all the time. Merging into 45S is a disaster due to the one lane entry.

The Heights streets around Studemont is gonna be overflooded with traffic soon

Its gotta get worse before it gets better.

And while there is a minor point about the frequency of flooding, if a big old Cat 5 is bearing down all lanes have to be open to move traffic. That being said some POS cheby breaking down will hose everything anyway.

Much like Hwy 6 north of I10 is below the 100yr flood plain IN Addicks. Which is about as ****ing stupid as it gets. But its a state road so that tracks.

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Much like Hwy 6 north of I10 is below the 100yr flood plain IN Addicks. Which is about as ****ing stupid as it gets. But its a state road so that tracks.

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That one was a truly dumbass decision. The differential cost would not have been that much, but some government lackey probably wanted to flex their ballsack.

Oh great! More road construction!

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schmellba99 said:

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Serotonin said:

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Y'all are complaining but it's going to be amazing once all the road construction around town is complete.

We should have little to no traffic in Houston starting in 2027 and beyond, so the massive short term pain will be worth it.

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This entire post makes me laugh.

And think about how gullible you are in real life.

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TXDOT is clearly showing that these projects will wrap up by a certain date. With the negotiating leverage, resources and initiative of the government behind these projects they should probably finish ahead of schedule and under budget. It really is going to be a completely different driving experience around in Houston in 2028 and beyond...

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My God, how many times were you dropped on your head as a toddler?

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How many times were you?

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A few, but it made me who I am today!

That and DDT.

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Aggie71013 said:

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If the HOV from downtown to I-10 is going away, it's not mentioned: https://www.txdot.gov/whiteoaki10/news-alerts/major-traffic-switch-begins-october-24-as-i10-white-oak-bayou-elevation-project-advances.html

HoV mentions are from 45 to 10.

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I read somewhere the current flyover will be demolished and rebuilt at a higher elevation.

ETA - From your link:

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This $400 million project will raise the elevation of the I-10 mainlanes above the floodplain of White Oak Bayou from Heights Boulevard to I-45 including the reconstruction of the I-10 HOV lanes, and reconstruction of the Houston Avenue Bridge.

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*raise the elevation above the current floodplain, which will not be current in 5 years as more of the landscape is concreted over and the floodplain elevation is raised again

I just want point out that "each direction" is incorrect in the OP.

When I saw this ABC 13 article, I was somewhat relieved to see it's only westbound….. it is still going to be awful.

While *****ed about at the time because of the added tax, the formation of The Spring Branch District, street branding, beautification, and business development did wonders for the area.

I did the initial survey and analysis for most of that work and SB is mostly better across the board then before. Despite the nostalgic rose colored glasses.

Was excited that things weren't too bad yesterday.... but looks like this whole thing is delayed 2 weeks. Shocker.

Major traffic switch begins November 7 as I-10 White Oak Bayou Elevation Project advances.