I10 E to 145N connector closed for 3 years. Good lord. Thats going to make the beltway a complete nightmare for the same period.
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I-10 about to get much worse for a long time
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This weekend was supposed to be the beginning of the shutdown. Did it happen or is it postponed some more?
I'm not certain, but I think I read earlier this week that they were extended the shutdown date again.
Martin Q. Blank said:schmellba99 said:
"Middle of next year" = 2028 minimum
That's when segment 3C-4 is slated to start.
It is totally like TXDOT to number the segments 1 through 3 and then start the work with segment 3 and finish with segment 1. Bass-ackwards agency and bass-ackwards projects.
txags92 said:Martin Q. Blank said:schmellba99 said:
"Middle of next year" = 2028 minimum
That's when segment 3C-4 is slated to start.
It is totally like TXDOT to number the segments 1 through 3 and then start the work with segment 3 and finish with segment 1. Bass-ackwards agency and bass-ackwards projects.
No, not really.
Construction work area numbering isn't about sequencing. It's about organizing.
This kind of stuff (Advanced Work Packaging) is in my wheelhouse. Free stuff is iffy, but you can read more here: Construction Industry Institute
CDUB98 said:txags92 said:Martin Q. Blank said:schmellba99 said:
"Middle of next year" = 2028 minimum
That's when segment 3C-4 is slated to start.
It is totally like TXDOT to number the segments 1 through 3 and then start the work with segment 3 and finish with segment 1. Bass-ackwards agency and bass-ackwards projects.
No, not really.
Construction work area numbering isn't about sequencing. It's about organizing.
This kind of stuff (Advanced Work Packaging) is in my wheelhouse. Free stuff is iffy, but you can read more here: Construction Industry Institute
So if you know the order you plan to work on it, and it is so organized, why not number them from 1 upward? Instead of counting backwards? I understand that the segment numbers don't have to represent the order, but why not do it that way just to make sense. I could build a 3 reactor nuclear power plant and build unit #3 first if I wanted, but why? Just name the first one you build #1 and go up from there.
You're hung up on the why. The why is immaterial.
Many times, the areas are set up starting at a point point, say North, and then head South. The numbering sequencing follows along. This can be done by the contractor during bidding or initial phases of planning. Once you set area numbers though, they are set. The entire project is attuned to the area numbering.
Then, as the project develops further, and more parameters of the design are known, the best path of Construction is set, and it is often different from the numbering sequence. Often, in the FEL1 & FEL2 phases of a project, a construction consultant is not on board. The engineering nerds like their perfect little number sequencing. It's human and natural. That, and many engineers don't have real construction experience. I'm so thankful I do.
So, once the Construction team is brought in, sometimes in FEL3/FEED, they start looking at the best path of construction, and this can vary greatly. The CM takes into account how they most efficiently build, not "two-block" themselves, and thinking in terms of equipment delivery. Equipment isn't really an issue on a road job, but there may be fabricated steel members or pre-cast members of which delivery can affect construction sequencing.
Back to my "immaterial" comment, for those of us in the industry, we truly don't pay much attention to the number sequence. It is merely an identifier. The path of construction is the key. It is set, known, and advertised to all stakeholders.
I hope that helped explain some. There can be more to it also in the industrial space, such as craft density and availability of work fronts.
Many times, the areas are set up starting at a point point, say North, and then head South. The numbering sequencing follows along. This can be done by the contractor during bidding or initial phases of planning. Once you set area numbers though, they are set. The entire project is attuned to the area numbering.
Then, as the project develops further, and more parameters of the design are known, the best path of Construction is set, and it is often different from the numbering sequence. Often, in the FEL1 & FEL2 phases of a project, a construction consultant is not on board. The engineering nerds like their perfect little number sequencing. It's human and natural. That, and many engineers don't have real construction experience. I'm so thankful I do.
So, once the Construction team is brought in, sometimes in FEL3/FEED, they start looking at the best path of construction, and this can vary greatly. The CM takes into account how they most efficiently build, not "two-block" themselves, and thinking in terms of equipment delivery. Equipment isn't really an issue on a road job, but there may be fabricated steel members or pre-cast members of which delivery can affect construction sequencing.
Back to my "immaterial" comment, for those of us in the industry, we truly don't pay much attention to the number sequence. It is merely an identifier. The path of construction is the key. It is set, known, and advertised to all stakeholders.
I hope that helped explain some. There can be more to it also in the industrial space, such as craft density and availability of work fronts.
They are segmented for contracting purposes. It has nothing to do with sequencing
redaszag99 said:
They are segmented for contracting purposes. It has nothing to do with sequencing
This too. Thanks for the reminder.
Seems like the westbound connector to 45 is still open so not sure if anything changed this weekend or not.
Serotonin said:
Y'all are complaining but it's going to be amazing once all the road construction around town is complete.
We should have little to no traffic in Houston starting in 2027 and beyond, so the massive short term pain will be worth it.
by then the population will need 2+ lanes added to all existing freeways to alleviate congestion.
CDUB98 said:txags92 said:Martin Q. Blank said:schmellba99 said:
"Middle of next year" = 2028 minimum
That's when segment 3C-4 is slated to start.
It is totally like TXDOT to number the segments 1 through 3 and then start the work with segment 3 and finish with segment 1. Bass-ackwards agency and bass-ackwards projects.
No, not really.
Construction work area numbering isn't about sequencing. It's about organizing.
This kind of stuff (Advanced Work Packaging) is in my wheelhouse. Free stuff is iffy, but you can read more here: Construction Industry Institute
No, TXDOT is bass ackwards across the board, even with CII guidance.
HTMFH.
CDUB98 said:
You're hung up on the why. The why is immaterial.
Many times, the areas are set up starting at a point point, say North, and then head South. The numbering sequencing follows along. This can be done by the contractor during bidding or initial phases of planning. Once you set area numbers though, they are set. The entire project is attuned to the area numbering.
Then, as the project develops further, and more parameters of the design are known, the best path of Construction is set, and it is often different from the numbering sequence. Often, in the FEL1 & FEL2 phases of a project, a construction consultant is not on board. The engineering nerds like their perfect little number sequencing. It's human and natural. That, and many engineers don't have real construction experience. I'm so thankful I do.
So, once the Construction team is brought in, sometimes in FEL3/FEED, they start looking at the best path of construction, and this can vary greatly. The CM takes into account how they most efficiently build, not "two-block" themselves, and thinking in terms of equipment delivery. Equipment isn't really an issue on a road job, but there may be fabricated steel members or pre-cast members of which delivery can affect construction sequencing.
Back to my "immaterial" comment, for those of us in the industry, we truly don't pay much attention to the number sequence. It is merely an identifier. The path of construction is the key. It is set, known, and advertised to all stakeholders.
I hope that helped explain some. There can be more to it also in the industrial space, such as craft density and availability of work fronts.
Most of the time the sequencing or numbering, etc. is designated by the design engineer.
And it is 100% universal that engineers cannot adhere to the K.I.S.S. principle, even with something as basic as a numbering sequence for various segments or areas of an overall larger project or program.
So instead of 1, 2, 3, etc. or A, B, C, etc. you get "35.700014-A-009-Ce" with the next one being something that is completely non-intuitive as a sequencing number like "38.331501-G-002-Fu" as the basis for the numbering sequence. Because engineers engineer and that requires doing a lot of dumb things to offset all of the smart things done.
Architects will label pages with areas ABCD and to actually have a functional building you have to build it DBCA.
Bondag said:
Architects will label pages with areas ABCD and to actually have a functional building you have to build it DBCA.
Architects live in a fantasy world
TXAG 05 said:Bondag said:
Architects will label pages with areas ABCD and to actually have a functional building you have to build it DBCA.
Architects live in a fantasy world
Yes they do. And are usually a PITA to work with because of that fact.
Allegedly it's for real this time, starting tomorrow night.
https://www.khou.com/video/news/community/transportation/i10-construction-houston-this-weekend/285-27db776c-1216-4d9b-ac05-e865d31faa9d
https://www.khou.com/video/news/community/transportation/i10-construction-houston-this-weekend/285-27db776c-1216-4d9b-ac05-e865d31faa9d
Ryan the Temp said:
Allegedly it's for real this time, starting tomorrow night.
https://www.khou.com/video/news/community/transportation/i10-construction-houston-this-weekend/285-27db776c-1216-4d9b-ac05-e865d31faa9d
What a cluster****
There has to be a better way. On top of this the City of Houston decided that repaving Franklin Street in front of Post Houston and blocking access to the 1-10 HOVconnector ramp was a good idea. Took me 45 mins to exit downtown yesterday because they were actively paving during rush hour.
At least they were actually doing something instead of just setting up cones and letting equipment sit there
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On top of this the City of Houston decided that repaving Franklin Street in front of Post Houston
Groundbreaking for N. Shepherd/Durham from I-10 to 15th will take place within the next week and a half, so you can roll right into another project that significantly impacts mobility for a long time.
Houston Avenue bridge over I-10 was hit (again) this morning. I-10 is an absolute sht show.
Ryan the Temp said:Quote:
On top of this the City of Houston decided that repaving Franklin Street in front of Post Houston
Groundbreaking for N. Shepherd/Durham from I-10 to 15th will take place within the next week and a half, so you can roll right into another project that significantly impacts mobility for a long time.
This will suck for a couple years, but it will be so much better than the current bumpy ass road and they should've started a year ago when the north section was completed.
Durham makes me regret getting a car w/ lo pros & sport suspension on a daily basis.
schmellba99 said:
Houston Avenue bridge over I-10 was hit (again) this morning. I-10 is an absolute sht show.
Aren't they tearing that bridge down with the roadwork on I-10 there? Maybe they should just start that early.
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This will suck for a couple years, but it will be so much better than the current bumpy ass road and they should've started a year ago when the north section was completed.
It got delayed because Whitmire tried to kill the project due to bike lanes being part of the design.
Ryan the Temp said:Quote:
This will suck for a couple years, but it will be so much better than the current bumpy ass road and they should've started a year ago when the north section was completed.
It got delayed because Whitmire tried to kill the project due to bike lanes being part of the design.
Look i get it bike lanes are the devil, but it would be pretty stupid to kill the bike lanes plan when you already built half of the route.
WES2006AG said:schmellba99 said:
Houston Avenue bridge over I-10 was hit (again) this morning. I-10 is an absolute sht show.
Aren't they tearing that bridge down with the roadwork on I-10 there? Maybe they should just start that early.
They may be, I have no idea. But I read that it has been hit 70 times this year (which seems like a whole hell of a lot), so if it isn't being torn down as part of the project, a change order to do so would be money well spent.
schmellba99 said:WES2006AG said:schmellba99 said:
Houston Avenue bridge over I-10 was hit (again) this morning. I-10 is an absolute sht show.
Aren't they tearing that bridge down with the roadwork on I-10 there? Maybe they should just start that early.
They may be, I have no idea. But I read that it has been hit 70 times this year (which seems like a whole hell of a lot), so if it isn't being torn down as part of the project, a change order to do so would be money well spent.
It's going to be demolished and rebuilt sometime in 2027.
drumboy said:Ryan the Temp said:Quote:
This will suck for a couple years, but it will be so much better than the current bumpy ass road and they should've started a year ago when the north section was completed.
It got delayed because Whitmire tried to kill the project due to bike lanes being part of the design.
Look i get it bike lanes are the devil, but it would be pretty stupid to kill the bike lanes plan when you already built half of the route.
I wouldn't say he tried to kill it, unless I missed something.
Didn't he just pause any not started project that reduced main lanes? At the end, this one made sense, so it is going to proceed. Granted the delay at all was dumb just based on how much better the north section is.
But do agree that probably every other reduced main lanes for bike lanes project has been dumb.....
Aggie71013 said:
There has to be a better way. On top of this the City of Houston decided that repaving Franklin Street in front of Post Houston and blocking access to the 1-10 HOVconnector ramp was a good idea. Took me 45 mins to exit downtown yesterday because they were actively paving during rush hour.
The entire downtown is a mess.
I got to the light at Chartres/Congress at 4:06pm yesterday. I didn't get to 59 until 5:21pm.
Just wtf
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he got rid of those idiotic "bus only" lanes downtown. Now hopefully we can get rid of the super popular bike lanes on Waugh and 11th.htxag09 said:drumboy said:Ryan the Temp said:Quote:
This will suck for a couple years, but it will be so much better than the current bumpy ass road and they should've started a year ago when the north section was completed.
It got delayed because Whitmire tried to kill the project due to bike lanes being part of the design.
Look i get it bike lanes are the devil, but it would be pretty stupid to kill the bike lanes plan when you already built half of the route.
I wouldn't say he tried to kill it, unless I missed something.
Didn't he just pause any not started project that reduced main lanes? At the end, this one made sense, so it is going to proceed. Granted the delay at all was dumb just based on how much better the north section is.
But do agree that probably every other reduced main lanes for bike lanes project has been dumb.....
ThunderCougarFalconBird said:he got rid of those idiotic "bus only" lanes downtown. Now hopefully we can get rid of the super popular bike lanes on Waugh and 11th.htxag09 said:drumboy said:Ryan the Temp said:Quote:
This will suck for a couple years, but it will be so much better than the current bumpy ass road and they should've started a year ago when the north section was completed.
It got delayed because Whitmire tried to kill the project due to bike lanes being part of the design.
Look i get it bike lanes are the devil, but it would be pretty stupid to kill the bike lanes plan when you already built half of the route.
I wouldn't say he tried to kill it, unless I missed something.
Didn't he just pause any not started project that reduced main lanes? At the end, this one made sense, so it is going to proceed. Granted the delay at all was dumb just based on how much better the north section is.
But do agree that probably every other reduced main lanes for bike lanes project has been dumb.....
Getting rid of that double bus lane crap is a big plus. Now if he could make it so that I could grab food from a restaurant downtown without a chance of seeing a homeless person's butt he might just earn my vote.
Did something change with getting onto 10 around Studewood/Heights today? I take Arlington South to 10 and there are usually 2-3 cars waiting at the stop sign to get on the feeder, but today it was backed up for 2 blocks.
drumboy said:
Did something change with getting onto 10 around Studewood/Heights today? I take Arlington South to 10 and there are usually 2-3 cars waiting at the stop sign to get on the feeder, but today it was backed up for 2 blocks.
I take that same route to I-10 and it was ok at 6:15 this morning but I have seen it backed up a few times like that recently. Have to imagine it has to do with the lane closures on 10.
drumboy said:
Did something change with getting onto 10 around Studewood/Heights today? I take Arlington South to 10 and there are usually 2-3 cars waiting at the stop sign to get on the feeder, but today it was backed up for 2 blocks.
They shut down the left turn to I10 going north on Taylor, so all that traffic gets routed through there now. Got stuck in that yesterday leaving target
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