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It's ludicrous how Judge Ken Curry issued a temporary injunction that allowed Brandon Sorsby to return to the field because he determined that Sorsby would otherwise face "probable, imminent and irreparable injury.

Though the NCAA is appealing, the ramifications of Curry's initial decision are enormous. For the first time in major American sports, a player known to have bet on his team will be permitted to keep playing.

"It's a major black eye for college athletics," Kansas State athletic director Gene Taylor said. "It is so unacceptable to bet on the sport in which you play."

The rest of college football is outraged. Several schools, including Georgia and Nebraska, have indicated that they will no longer schedule games against Texas Tech in any sport and might cancel contests already on the docket. Even some schools in Texas Tech's own Big 12 Conference are debating similar moves. Commissioner Brett Yormark hastily scheduled a meeting with the league's athletic directors, presidents and chancellors later this week to discuss the outcome.

The NCAA was alerted to Sorsby's gambling and opened an investigation in April before he took a single snap for the team. Shortly afterward, Sorsby entered into a five-week inpatient treatment program for gambling addiction. He said in an affidavit that he placed bets on everything from Romanian soccer to the Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest.

Sorsby's lawyers argued in court that given their client's clinically diagnosed gambling addiction, a lifetime ban meant the NCAA was punishing him for having a mental illness. And Curry, the only person whose opinion matters, appears to have agreed. Jeffrey Kessler, one of Sorsby's attorneys, called the outcome "a just result."

"It's not black and white," Texas Tech president Lawrence Schovanec said. "This probably is one of the instruments that will lead to broader changes in how we deal with such matters."

Now, Sorsby is free to embark on his fifth season of college football after a two-game suspension stipulated in the injunction. The games he will miss are against Abilene Christian and Oregon State. Texas Tech has promised to monitor him closely to ensure he is no longer betting.

The NCAA, meanwhile, is hoping an appeals court reinstates Sorsby's ban. Outsiders see just one potential problem: All four judges on the Texas Seventh Court of Appeals went to law school at Texas Tech.

The Quarterback Who Was Banned for Betting on His Own Team Just Got a Hail Mary Reprieve - WSJ
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Skubalon said:

Mega Lops said:

Skubalon said:

don't think Tech has done anything wrong

Hey you techtard, Sorsby hasn't been sh-tcanned by the program yet.

The athletic department is complicit with this business. The longer Sorsby is allowed wear the bass boat black and red, the guiltier the football program is.

Selective editing on your part. I specifically said:

"I don't think Tech has done anything wrong - yet."

The first thing Tech did when they found out was to report to the NCAA and declare Sorsby ineligible.

Now that this injunction has been filed, Tech has to decide what is the right thing to do. I suspect that you and I are in complete agreement as to what is the right thing.

I have very clearly stated that in my opinion Sorsby shouldn't be allowed to play another down of college football, period. So I'm not sure what your beef is with what I said.

To say the athletic department is complicit is not true. Tech wasn't a named party in the lawsuit between Sorsby and the NCAA. The athletic department will, however, become complicit if Sorsby sees the field as a player.

Candidly, I am afraid that's what is going to happen, and I'm very unhappy about it.


Tech should come out and say 'until further clarification of future impacts or punishments from the NCAA, Sornby will not be playing. Due to the unprecedented nature of this situation, we don't want to risk potential future penalties from the ncaa. We support Brandon in his recovery. Thank you for your attention to this matter.'

Then go play, win 11 games, probably win the big 12, probably get the 5 seed in the CFP, probably play some joke of a CUSA team at home, probably win, pocket additional $10s of millions, then go get blasted by a real team in Round 2.

Clears up the situation, gets a CFP banner on the south plains, makes some tee shirt and beer revenue.
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Eliminatus said:

Honestly, the thing that truly bothers me, the betting aside, is how this much power has been consolidated to such a tiny group of people. The federal judge thing is something that has bothered me for a while, but then someone like Campbell that is able to use their wealth to effectively buy an entire school is just so….absurd to me. And yet, here we are. A few people just turned the CFB world on its head and in all likelihood, will get away with it.

This should have never happened. Not even close. Abuse of power sickens me and it is just so rampant in sports these days and this is just the shining case in point this year.

****, I hate that the NCAA is truly this weak. And how our BoR system works.


No one truly cares about the gambling.
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AozorAg said:

Sparkie said:

I've read a couple opinions about the appeal process. They all agreed the process will take time. The season will most likely end before the appeal is heard. If this happens, the appeal will be dropped.

Lol. No. Injunctive relief is appealable on an interlocutory basis, and those appeals usually take a week or two. I have had many. If they appeal it, Amarillo will issue a decision before the season starts, easily.
lol. All four judges currently serving on the Seventh Court of Appeals attended Texas Tech.
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Skubalon said:

A few things:

I don't think Tech has done anything wrong - yet. I don't think Tech had any idea that this was going on with Sorsby or they would have chased a different target. This is bad for Tech and whether you like them or not, the people that have been running the show lately for Tech are smart people. They wouldn't take this on knowing about all the hair on Sorsby. When Tech found out about it, they reported it to the NCAA, and they declared Sorsby ineligible. The NCAA isn't contesting that at all. Tech complied as they should.

I think the NCAA should be actively investigating Cincinnati, because it is clear that they knew and didn't say anything.

I think it is obvious that Sorsby knew what he was doing was wrong, because he clearly tried to hide it. I also think he had help hiding it from someone not at Tech. Say what you will but Tech has been forthcoming on this.

And finally:

I think Sorsby shouldn't take another snap for any college team, period.

We are in unclear legal fog right now, IMHO. Sorsby brought the suit against the NCAA, and the temporary injunction was granted to Sorsby, not to Tech. Tech is a member institution of the NCAA. So far, I have no reason to believe that Tech has violated any NCAA rules. But if Tech suits up Sorsby and plays him, I think the NCAA could come after Tech, and the injunction doesn't seem to grant Tech any relief from that.

And all that horse crap aside, Tech students have to agree to a code of conduct as terms of enrollment. Sorsby has violated that code of conduct, and as a proud Tech alum, I find that unacceptable. I applaud Tech for supporting Sorsby's recovery, but it would be a very bad look for Tech to allow him to play a single down.

Tech has been the point of the spear in helping level the playing field that the SEC and B1G have tried so hard to tilt in their favor, and I'm here for it. But if Sorsby plays at all for Tech, Tech will have crossed a line that I won't be able to stomach.


Not a fan of Tech by any stretch of the imagination, but I can respect this post on a rival fan site.
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El Chupacabra said:

Eliminatus said:

Honestly, the thing that truly bothers me, the betting aside, is how this much power has been consolidated to such a tiny group of people. The federal judge thing is something that has bothered me for a while, but then someone like Campbell that is able to use their wealth to effectively buy an entire school is just so….absurd to me. And yet, here we are. A few people just turned the CFB world on its head and in all likelihood, will get away with it.

This should have never happened. Not even close. Abuse of power sickens me and it is just so rampant in sports these days and this is just the shining case in point this year.

****, I hate that the NCAA is truly this weak. And how our BoR system works.


No one truly cares about the gambling.

wrong
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Why would the NFL ever allow him to play in the NFL? Everyone says he could go to the supplemental draft. What doesn't the NFL have rules about gambling on their sport?
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Cody is leading this circus and no one in the Tech administration is brave enough to reign him back.

Tech cannot really stand the moral high ground when the one controlling everything goes off on SM ranting about he's happy to pay Sorsby just bc they worked the legal system to this point. Jay Billas said it was a horrible judgement that will get overturned.
Gig ‘Em Baby!
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"I don't care about your feelings OP. I'm not going to let fandom replace reason, thought, and history"
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Teslag said:

Skubalon said:

Teslag said:

And why should you expect the SEC and B1G to give undeserved handouts to lesser products and programs that don't generate equal revenue?

You said in the past you hope tech joins the B1G. Well that bridge is ****ing burned.

I have no expectations about the SEC and B1G giving handouts to anyone. I have expectations about a level playing field, and the SEC and B1G are working hard to make sure there isn't one.

I have said in the past that I hope Tech can someday join the B1G. And I agree completely that if Tech allows Sorsby to play football this year that it will do significant damage to that hope. I'm not happy about it at all, and have made my opinion known to the powers that be, although I am sure they don't care.

Pile on all you like, but I think we are in agreement on this subject, so have fun watching the train wreck.


Why do the schools of the B1G and SEC owe you a level playing field? What do you bring to the table to demand that?

This, for the most part Big12 TV ratings are measured in the thousands while SEC/BIG10 are in the millions. It's like the WNBA girls wanting to get paid as much as the NBA guys. The demand isn't there for the smaller conferences to get the same money as the bigger ones.
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My God, tceh is actually doubling down. They went ALL in on this being a poor victim of addiction and how they are there for him and his recovery and how pulling him from the team and his millions would be disastrous for his wealth and health.

They are actually going to ****ing play him. Unbelievable. "There is no perfect answer". Yes, there ****ing is, you absolute clown.


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That's fine. I have no problem with Tech wanting to help this kid out. They can do that while he finishes his career as the scout team QB.
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Cody just sent him a couple hundred thousand dollars after that response!

It's crazy that they just keep going on this line of it's best for the kid. We are doing this for the kid! Guys have some balls and say it's best for us but actually in the end it's not gonna be best for Texas Tech.

And holy moly, this guy is actually saying this is what he would do for his son, Yeah, no that's not true.

No, if he actually said he would want his son to get the $5 million yes, but if he was actually going to help his son's addiction and his real problems. Hell no!

This line is starting to drive me crazy because Sorsby has been playing football for a very, very, very long time and it didn't cure any of his problems, all that coaching and camaraderie. But Texas Tech coaching and players are gonna be there for him and it's gonna make all the difference!
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At this point I am truly hoping that he plays. Besides the backlash and permanent damage to the dirt monkey
"school" in the dust bowl it will have. He is going to get completely annihilated. Every dline he plays will be frothing at the mouth to get a piece of his ass. They are going to invent all kinds new schemes and sleep at night dreaming of crushing him.
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Rec said:

At this point I am truly hoping that he plays. Besides the backlash and permanent damage to the dirt monkey
"school" in the dust bowl it will have. He is going to get completely annihilated. Every dline he plays will be frothing at the mouth to get a piece of his ass. They are going to invent all kinds new schemes and sleep at night dreaming of crushing him.


Except for their entire schedule has no decent team that could win a 3A high school championship on it, so they will be 12-0 anyway.
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This is peak "my mom says you have to play with me" energy
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Tech is digging their own grave.

The other teams just need to say it's best for their players, etc. Use the stupid Tech defense.
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I am getting the popcorn. Imagine the alligation of gambling if tt chokes and lose a few games.
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If Tech wants to ensure they support his "recovery" as a 22 year old gambling addict, they could easily convert him to some other scholarship and provide all of the same services and benefits he's receiving now while allowing him to finish his education.

That's high ground anyone would respect. If the kid then chooses to walk away, that's not on them.

But doubling down around a kid that's been part of Raider Nation for a handful of months just to hopefully win some football games is mind-boggling.
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ktownag08 said:

If Tech wants to ensure they support his "recovery" as a 22 year old gambling addict, they could easily convert him to some other scholarship and provide all of the same services and benefits he's receiving now while allowing him to finish his education.

That's high ground anyone would respect. If the kid then chooses to walk away, that's not on them.

But doubling down around a kid that's been part of Raider Nation for a handful of months just to hopefully win some football games is mind-boggling.

Probably bc they've already invested in NIL to him so of course they want to get their money's worth.
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"As Big 12 presidents consider sanctions, Texas Tech reps notified the league that any penalty will be met with legal action, sources tell @YahooSports.

Tech is exploring legal avenues with noted attorney Jeff Kessler, including seeking a second injunction"

Looks like they have confirmed it and are indeed, going all in.



Of all the things and all the people to find a hill to die on, this….this is the one the tceh tards have chosen.

It truly isn't every day I am just flat out floored, but here we are. What in the ever loving **** are they thinking up there?! Is it the syphilis or something finally sinking into the brain?
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Kessler making a killing off Tech. I heard his retainer was a half mil.
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the silver lining in all this is that this **** very rarely ever works out.

This will cause such a distraction, such vitriol that it will eventually break this team at the seams
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You wonder when a kid will get injunction for PED use and other pharmaceuticals
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Burpelson said:

You wonder when a kid will get injunction for PED use and other pharmaceuticals


Already been theory crafted. Internet has been cooking all day of what we can get away with now. The limit seems to be actual murder and there are some holdouts who are willing to test even that it seems.
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They really are as stupid as we thought they were. This is going to be fun to watch.
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Neither Sorsby or tt have any honor.
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AgEng06 said:

That's fine. I have no problem with Tech wanting to help this kid out. They can do that while he finishes his career as the scout team QB.

Been clean and sober for nearly 8 years and fully agree. Over the years, I've worked with guys that suffer from every addiction under the sun including gambling.

While I thank God every day for 2nd, 3rd, even 100th chances, there are instances where accountability simply can't be overcome by compassion for the person struggling. An airline pilot can't just keep flying after they're caught drunk, an anesthesiologist diverting narcotics can't just go back to the operating room, and a professional athlete (because that's what these guys are now) can't just go back to playing after he's caught betting on games he's played in.
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will be interesting to see if the Big 12 will or can do anything

unfortunately the league is headquartered in Texas...which means Texas courts

and the Red Raiders own those

however the schools on Tech's schedule...located outside of Texas...might be able to do better
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LB12MEEN said:

True

I guess the NCAA is poor bc I cannot remember the last time a judge ruled in their favor.

Most of their losses come from antitrust law which is a federal law just set up in a way that interferes with everything the NCAA does. What is weird here is that Soresby avoided pleading federal law so that it couldn't be removed to federal court. This was basically a state law contract case. Soresby clearly violated very specific prohibitions on gambling that were clearly set out and clearly showed the consequences. The NCAA should have won this, there is no antitrust alleged. I can't imagine what the state judge saw that inspired him to issue the injunction.
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you wouldn't know it because media just focuses on the losses, but ncaa wins most eligibility lawsuits

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One thing that really bothers me is they say he bet on games,, but what kind of bets were they, PROP BETS, this would absolutely be the worse, and ya notice the never say what types of bets.
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Burpelson said:

One thing that really bothers me is they say he bet on games,, but what kind of bets were they, PROP BETS, this would absolutely be the worse, and ya notice the never say what types of bets.

Yup. He bet the under on the starting QB for his team.

Obviously, a player would have inside knowledge into whether a WR is dinged up that might have an impact on those totals or if the QB just got dumped and is off his A-game mentally or something like that. It is wild to me that anyone is even making the argument he should be allowed to play college football. If you bet on your own team, you are insider trading. You should be banned. Period.

The only way I could see betting on your own team being viewed in a less harsh light would be if you are betting your team is going to win a game or something like that, but even that feels like a slippery slope.
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Does Paxton realize TT isn't the only university in TX?
 
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