Definitely one of the most boring superstars ever...

But who cares when you are winning 'ships

It's really boring when you aren't accused of rape.

Kobe: "Hate me because I'm a champion. Hate me because of my work ethic."

Daniel Tosh: "We hate you because you were accused of rape! What planet does he live in where he's like, 'Seriously guys, why are they pissed off? Because of the rape?! Are you sure? That doesn't add up"

roginaustin with a very good troll

6 pages and counting lmao

Horry

And for the record this isn't the first time Horry has been asked this and has said this answer.

This isn't breaking news or something. I guess when he's asked this again next year well have a new thread about it.

Olajuwon - 17 years in the league
26,946 points
3,830 blocks
2,162 steals AS A CENTER
13,748 Rebounds
and he has a better FT%, FG%, and while we are at at a better 3% lol....

Tim Duncan - 15 years in the league
23,785 points
2,652 blocks
872 steals.. lol
13,219 rebounds
AND FINALLY...the only stat Duncan beats Olajuwon in is ASSISTS... 3058 for Olajuwon 3612 for timmy.. that shows that Duncan had more help...

and Olajuwon has those stats with only 8 more reg season starts to this point in Duncan's career...


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Also, ROTFLMFAO that somebody tried to say that Malik Rose somehow had the equivalent impact of a Jason Terry. Wow. That is one of the most absurd things I have ever read on this board and that is one hell of an accomplishment.

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Typical spurs revisionist history. Obviously rose didn't step up in the playoffs like playoff legend Jason Terry, but you guys pretend he was a complete spare. Malik got more votes for 6th man in 03 than Parker got for MVP this year. Now you want to tell me it's laughable to say Parker is an MVP candidate this year? Malik fell off the map in 04 after Horry took his spot but he was great in his role in 03, with the 6th man votes to prove it.

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Obviously rose didn't step up in the playoffs like playoff legend Jason Terry, but you guys pretend he was a complete spare.

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Typical Dirk ********er revisionist history.

Malik never averaged 25MPG. If he was such a great player off the bench, why did he never average any minutes - especially in those years when Spurs had an injured Robinson and a no other post support for Duncan. Malik is a career .439 shooter, while never shooting outside the paint.

What Malik did in the playoffs isn't all that different from what he did the rest of his career. To say Malik=Terry is idiotic and you know it. They were no where near the same and didn't have even close to the same impact.

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Now you want to tell me it's laughable to say Parker is an MVP candidate this year?

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Lebron was 1 vote away from the first unanimous MVP. Yes, Parker deserved zero votes and Bron deserved the unanimous MVP without question.

So are you going to say that Malik was closer to 6th Man of the Year than Durant is to MVP with the same reasoning?

Same **** different day from you.

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Olajuwon - 17 years in the league
26,946 points
3,830 blocks
2,162 steals AS A CENTER
13,748 Rebounds
and he has a better FT%, FG%, and while we are at at a better 3% lol....

Tim Duncan - 15 years in the league
23,785 points
2,652 blocks
872 steals.. lol
13,219 rebounds
AND FINALLY...the only stat Duncan beats Olajuwon in is ASSISTS... 3058 for Olajuwon 3612 for timmy.. that shows that Duncan had more help...

and Olajuwon has those stats with only 8 more reg season starts to this point in Duncan's career...

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Some All-Time Playoff #s.

Double-Doubles:
1. Magic Johnson: 157
2. Tim Duncan: 144
3. Wilt Chamberlain: 143
4. Shaquille O'Neal: 142
5. Bill Russell: 137
6. Karl Malone: 124
7. Hakeem Olajuwon: 97
8. John Stockton: 87
9. Charles Barkley: 84
10. Kevin Garnett: 80

Scoring:
1.) Micheal Jordan 5,987
2.) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 5,762
3.) Kobe Bryant 5,640
4.) Shaquille O'neal 5,250
5.) Karl Malone 4,761
6.) Julius Erving 4,580
7.) Tim Duncan 4,482
8.) Jerry West 4,457
9.) Larry Bird 3,897
10.) John Havlicek 3,776
11.) Hakeem Olajuwon 3,755

Rebounding:
1.) Bill Russell 4104
2.) Wilt Chamberlain 3913
3.) Shaquille O'Neal 2508
4.) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 2481
5.) Tim Duncan 2437
6.) Karl Malone 2062
7.) Wes Unseld 1777
8.) Robert Parish 1765
9.) Elgin Baylor 1724
10.) Larry Bird 1683
11.) Dennis Rodman 1676
12.) Hakeem Olajuwon 1621

Blocks:
1. Tim Duncan 506
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 476
3. Hakeem Olajuwon 472
4. Shaquille O'Neal 459
5. David Robinson 312
6. Robert Parish 309
7. Patrick Ewing 303
8. Julius Erving 293
9. Kevin McHale 281
10. Dikembe Mutombo 251


Duncan's achievements: Bolded are the categories Duncan has over Olajuwon

# 4× NBA Champion (1999, 2003, 2005, 2007)
# 3× NBA Finals MVP (1999, 2003, 2005)
# 2× NBA Most Valuable Player (2002–2003)
# NBA Rookie of the Year (1998)
# 14× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2011,2013)
# 10× All-NBA First Team (1998–2005, 2007,2013)
# 3× All-NBA Second Team (2006, 2008–2009)
# All-NBA Third Team (2010)
# 8× All-Defensive First Team (1999–2003, 2005, 2007–2008)
# 6× All-Defensive Second Team (1998, 2004, 2006, 2009–2010,2013)
# NBA All-Rookie First Team (1998)
# NBA All-Star Game MVP (2000)


Hakeem Olajuwon's achievements Bolded are the categories he has over Duncan)
# 2× NBA Champion (1994, 1995)
# NBA MVP (1994)
# 12× All-Star (1985-1990, 1992-1997)
# 2× Finals MVP (1994-1995)
# 2× NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1993-1994)
# 6× All-NBA First Team Selection (1987-1989, 1993-1994, 1997)
# 3× All-NBA Second Team Selection (1986, 1990, 1996)
# 3× All-NBA Third Team Selection (1991, 1995, 1999)
# 5× NBA All-Defensive First Team Selection (1987-1988, 1990, 1993-1994)
# 4× NBA All-Defensive Second Team Selection (1985, 1991, 1996-1997)
# NBA All Rookie Team (1985)

again... all that proves is that Duncan had more help around him... Olajuwon was forced to do it all

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Lebron was 1 vote away from the first unanimous MVP. Yes, Parker deserved zero votes and Bron deserved the unanimous MVP without question.

So are you going to say that Malik was closer to 6th Man of the Year than Durant is to MVP with the same reasoning?

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So Lebron was the only MVP candidate this year? No. He was virtually unanimous but there's 5-7 players with enough votes to be considered candidates this year. The MVP debate goes year to year. Parker will get extra consideration in the debate next year knowing he was a candidate the previous 2 seasons.

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Spurs '03 run had Dirk and Webber both injured. kthxbye

And the eastern conference was teh lulz. '11 was harder competition. Deal with it.

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Come on Spurs fans! You need to understand that regular season stats are FAR more important than championships, playoff performances, or any type of recognition! /delusional Rocket fan

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Malik never averaged 25MPG. If he was such a great player off the bench, why did he never average any minutes - especially in those years when Spurs had an injured Robinson and a no other post support for Duncan. Malik is a career .439 shooter, while never shooting outside the paint.

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Throw out all the stats you want but you can't deny that in 2003 Malik Rose was a 6th Man award candidate. How could that possibly happen?

Just because Dirk is soft and decided not to play when he was already down 3-1 doesn't mean Duncan had less competition. Dirk didn't go through the 3-peat champions to win it all. Not even close.

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Throw out all the stats you want but you can't deny that in 2003 Malik Rose was a 6th Man award candidate. How could that possibly happen?

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He was a 9/6 player at his very best. And you put him as having the same contribution to the Spurs title as Jason Terry? Terry was an 18ppg scorer and had a PER of 20 in the playoffs. Come on, stop being a ****ing idiot.

Malik was no where near the same league as Terry and was never a legitimate 6th Man contender.

Mavs decided to stop a three peat from happening instead. By sweeping them.

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Just because Dirk is soft and decided not to play when he was already down 3-1 doesn't mean Duncan had less competition. Dirk didn't go through the 3-peat champions to win it all. Not even close.

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bringing out the big guns! Not sure what point to make since Duncan has a similar injury and sat out in 2000. And those 2003 lakers were not favored to win anything unlike the 3 peat WC champs 2 time defending finals champs that dirk swept.

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Throw out all the stats you want but you can't deny that in 2003 Malik Rose was a 6th Man award candidate. How could that possibly happen?

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Not sure what point to make since Duncan has a similar injury and sat out in 2000.

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Duncan tore his miniscus, which required surgery. Dirkypoo had a sprain. I'm sure it hurt a lot. No surgery required.

Resorting to completely baseless attacks on Dirk's toughness, in a thread about Duncan vs Hakeem, all because you can't handle the suggestion that Duncan's teammates weren't as bad as your are pretending they are for this argument.

Duncan could have played in 2000, but his coach wisely chose to sit him to avoid further devastatig risk. Same with Dirk.

Shaq>Duncan>Malone>Olajuwon. Kobe is at the bottom of this list. Great scorer and that's it.

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all because you can't handle the suggestion that Duncan's teammates weren't as bad as your are pretending they are for this argument.

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You are the one with the baseless argument that a 18ppg player is equal to a 9 ppg player. It is ****ing hilarious that you are still trying to defend that.

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Duncan could have played in 2000, but his coach wisely chose to sit him to avoid further devastatig risk. Same with Dirk.

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Duncan had to have surgery. He had a tear. Dirk had what his coach called a strain and thought there was a chance he would play. Dirk never had surgery.

There is a big difference there. The situations aren't remotely close. That's like comparing Kobe's torn AT to Wade's bruised thigh.


Tell me again how Malik Rose was just as good as Jason Terry. That was a good one.

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Duncan had to have surgery. He had a tear. Dirk had what his coach called a strain and thought there was a chance he would play. Dirk never had surgery.

There is a big difference there. The situations aren't remotely close. That's like comparing Kobe's torn AT to Wade's bruised thigh.

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Duncan could have played and his coach chose to sit him. Dirk's coach chose to sit him. Neither player was given the choice to play as they were both young and relied on their trustworthy coaches. Pretty simple.

ESPN:
On April 11, 2000, Tim Duncan tore the lateral meniscus in his left knee in the 78th game of the season. He missed the final four games of the regular season and forced Spurs coach Gregg Popovich into a monumental decision: go with Duncan in the playoffs, or keep him on the sidelines.

Duncan didn't make it easier.

"I was doing everything I could to get ready to play," Duncan said. He ran sprints up and down the court to show he could still move. But there was a loose bit of cartilage flapping around in his knee. The joint could have locked up at any moment.

Popovich was just too worried about his asset.
"He was young, a franchise player," Popovich said. "He wasn't just a No. 1 pick. With him, you've got an opportunity to win multiple championships, if you don't screw it up. I didn't know if [the injury] could get worse, or get chronic."

Popovich liked his team, and he liked its chances. He just liked Duncan even more. He told Duncan to shut it down.

"I don't know if it was right or wrong," Popovich said. "But we did it."

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Tell me again how Malik Rose was just as good as Jason Terry. That was a good one.

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Tell me more about how great you think Terry is and what a complete spare Rose was in 03. I have only equated them by describing how they were both 6th Man Award candidates, which is absolutely true. Again, how in the hell did Malik get all those 6th Man votes? You tell me?

If you want to get bogged down in a stats alignment then match Parker's 15.6PPG/5.3AST to Terry's 17.5PPG/3.2AST. Then match Ginobili's 9.4/2.9 to Barea's 8.9/3.4. And put Rose 9/6 + Jackson 13/4 against Marion 12/6 + Stevenson 4/1, etc.

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Calling Dirk soft because of that is so lame...such an insult to the great player that he is.

I strongly dislike Jason Terry, but he was a total bamf in the 2011 playoffs. He had numerous high scoring games and (even better) stepped up with cold-blooded shots in every big moment. He had numerous "extinguish all hope at the end of the game" threes as well as a bunch to extinguish runs by the other team before emotion and momentum could really get rolling. So I'd say his shooting stats and PER for the 2011 postseason (both of which are well above average) don't even tell the whole story. Yea it was Dirk's team, but Terry stepped up with clutch shots time after time after time. Along with Chandler in the paint, he seemed to help establish the team's mental toughness.

Comparing him to Rose is just LOL.

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Calling Dirk soft because of that is so lame...such an insult to the great player that he is.

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Dirk was soft early in his career.

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Duncan could have played and his coach chose to sit him. Dirk's coach chose to sit him. Neither player was given the choice to play as they were both young and relied on their trustworthy coaches. Pretty simple.

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And MRIs showed Dirk didn't have any damage to the structure of his knee. Duncan did and had to have surgery to fix it. Are you not willing to admit that those are different situations?

The bottom line is that either Dirk or Nellie decided not to play Dirk because the Spurs had just won 3 straight including two in Dallas with Dirk on the court. With Dirk, the Mavs weren't legitimately challenging the Spurs because they were a 100% jump shooting team with no one to guard Duncan in the blocks and no one that could score in the paint. So Dirk didn't play the rest of the series, but was playing Germany a week or two later because he only had a strain with no structural damage (as reported by the Mavs)

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Tell me more about how great you think Terry is and what a complete spare Rose was in 03.

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The stats prove it. Anyone wanting to argue otherwise is an idiot.

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If you want to get bogged down in a stats alignment then match Parker's 15.6PPG/5.3AST to Terry's 17.5PPG/3.2AST. Then match Ginobili's 9.4/2.9 to Barea's 8.9/3.4. And put Rose 9/6 + Jackson 13/4 against Marion 12/6 + Stevenson 4/1, etc.

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Let's go with stats, which is what i tried to do.

Has there ever been another NBA Championship team where only two rotational players have a PER of over 15 in the playoffs? Has there ever been another NBA Championship with only two rotational players shooting over 42%? Has there ever been another NBA Championship where the winning team only had ONE player score over 15ppg in the playoffs?

Duncan's 2003 teammates gave historically terrible performances. No intelligent person would argue otherwise.

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Comparing him to Rose is just LOL.

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Indeed.

Back on topic fellas. It's Duncan vs Hakeem. Not who had the best title run

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And MRIs showed Dirk didn't have any damage to the structure of his knee. Duncan did and had to have surgery to fix it. Are you not willing to admit that those are different situations?

The bottom line is that either Dirk or Nellie decided not to play Dirk because the Spurs had just won 3 straight including two in Dallas with Dirk on the court. With Dirk, the Mavs weren't legitimately challenging the Spurs because they were a 100% jump shooting team with no one to guard Duncan in the blocks and no one that could score in the paint. So Dirk didn't play the rest of the series, but was playing Germany a week or two later because he only had a strain with no structural damage (as reported by the Mavs)

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Both players at the time of the injury risked further damage if they came back too early. Both players were capable of playing with the injury. Their coaches made the choice to hold them out. Why does anything else matter? You are continuing to degrade yourself by digging into this non-issue.

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The stats prove it. Anyone wanting to argue otherwise is an idiot.

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Ive made no statistical comp of the 2.

NBA history books show that Malik was a 6th man candidate in 2003. He got more votes than Ginobili has received in recent seasons. Anyone who can't see that he had an important role as the Spurs 6th Man in 2003 is an idiot. No Spurs fans are willing to explain why his name shows up as a 6th Man candidate because they are taking the odd stance of completely trashing Duncan's teammates and management for the purpose of one thread. Typical.

Kelly Dwyer ranks the top 10 Spurs role players of the Duncan era and 5 of the top 7 were on the 2003 team.

http://sports.yahoo.com/photos/spurs-top-ten-players-of-the-championship-era-slideshow/1averyjohnson-photo--145103624.html

It's easy to explain why he got votes. The Spurs were the #1 seed and best team in the league. Duncan was the clear star but no one else was an All Star. At some point the media looks up and says, "The Spurs are really good and Duncan is the Star but somebody else must be a part of that. I guess it must be Rose for 6th Man. He really hustles out there even if he is a 6'4 PF who can't shoot outside of 12 feet." Rose was a pure energy player who could play well in bursts. That's pretty much it.

The real question here was supposed to be Duncan vs Hakeem. Unless you want to use things like "Who had slightly better regular season career stats" or "Who imo was more dominant at their peak" it's really not a debate. It may have been a debate 7 or 8 years ago but not now. Duncan has sustained his level of play as well as any big man outside of maybe Kareem. He's still almost as productive per minute now as he was a decade ago. Can he do it for 40 a night every night? Of course not, but the fact he can do it for 30 a night is incredible. He's also improved aspects of his game while his athleticism has declined, for instance he now shoots over 80% from the line whereas he was a sub 70% for much of his career.

I don't know where all the Dirk/Mavs stuff comes from. No one in their right mind would put Dirk above Duncan or the run the Mavs have had vs the Spurs. They had a great run in '11 and were always competitive in the '00s but in the end the Spurs were far more dominant. Who was "soft" is just stupid either way.

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Spurs '03 run had Dirk and Webber both injured. kthxbye

And the eastern conference was teh lulz. '11 was harder competition. Deal with it.

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How old are you?