***** Spurs Offseason 2014 *****

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Ulrich
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5 stars on each side for 5 rings.

Roster/payroll/needs analysis to follow, but I'll open with an advanced stat. The top four players in distance traveled per 48 minutes in the playoffs were Spurs*. And yet, Tony Parker was the highest Spur in distance traveled per game, ranked 38th. Those two numbers together tell you a lot about the Spurs' depth, movement, and effort.

On average, Patty "Happy Feet" Mills moved at 4.9 mph, 0.3 mph faster than second place Tony Parker.


*filtering for players with 15+ mpg. Remove that filter and the Spurs have 5 of the top 8 with an interesting side note that 3 more of the top 9 are former Spurs. 8 of the 9 fastest-moving players were current or former Spurs.
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I think Spurs actually resign BoBo and Patty. Patty around 3m/year for 2-3 years and BoBo for around 5mm/year for 2-3 years.
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I can't sleep so I'm gonna go ahead and check in here.
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Leonard's defense on James in the series was key. James shot 57.6 percent against him, but he wasn't always able to get his shot off or even get the ball. - 19 percent of James' touches against Leonard in the Finals resulted in a James field goal attempt. Against all other defenders, that rate jumped to 33 percent. - James was held without a touch on 33 percent of the Heat's possessions when he was guarded by Leonard. Against all other defenders, he was held without a touch 23 percent of the time. - When Leonard did find himself on someone other than James, his defense was still strong. The rest of the Heat shot 27.8 percent (5-of-18) against Leonard in the Finals.

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Leonard shot 65.0 percent (13-of-20) when guarded by LeBron James in the series.

-ESPN

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Ulrich
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Salary cap is estimated at 63.2 million next year. Luxury tax threshold is supposed to be 77 million. I'm not going to pretend to really understand the ins and outs of the NBA salary cap, but the Spurs spent 63 million this year (5 million over the cap at the time) and have 53 million committed for next year. That includes a team option on Austin Daye and a qualifying offer on Aron Baynes.

Assumptions: Timmy and Manu are not retiring.

This was the last year on Diaw, Bonner, and Mills contracts. The only player signed through 2015/2016 is Splitter (8.5mm that year).

Personally, I don't see much reason to change things up. Maybe shift roles around, but no major roster changes. We can see that they were able/ok with spending 5 million over the cap last season.

So, taken altogether, that means the Spurs have 10-15 million to resign Diaw and Mills and make whatever other moves are necessary.

1. Will anyone restructure to reduce their salary? Duncan and Manu seem to be the most likely candidates.

2. What will make Patty and Diaw stay? Diaw made 4.7 last year and Patty made just 1.1. Patty deserves a raise. I could see Diaw coming back for not much more than what he's making, but there is always the possibility that some dumb GM will offer him more money to go to a system where he won't be nearly as good.

3. Will they try to hang on to Bonner (probably for a price cut), go with the younger, currently cheaper Austin Daye as an undersized stretch 4, try to gut it out with Diaw as the only stretch 4 on the roster, or dig up someone new?

4. The inside looks a little better with Splitter having become a reliable rim protector (think MGasol rather than Ibaka), but with Duncan starting to look a little slow on rotations against playoff teams, can Baynes make a dramatic improvement to his defensive timing? Do we have anyone taller than Boris who could develop a legitimate post game? The Tiago Splitter shy hook does NOT count as a post move.

5. What weaknesses need to be shored up?
Depth chart:
1 - TP/Mills/Joseph. I'll take that lineup any day of the week and twice on Sundays in June. Does either Mills or Joseph become superfluous?
2 - Green/Manu/Belli. Belli needs to learn to play defense or the backup 2/3 spot is going to become a need position very quickly. There is the possibility of trying to slide one of Mills or Joseph over, but that leads to some pretty small lineups.
3 - Leonard. Other than Leonard being the STARter at this position, the backup threes are also the backup twos. Daye is technically a three, but I'd like to see another 6'7 or 6'8 defender to rotate in. Especially with less depth on defense in the post, it's becoming more important to cut off drivers before they get a head of steam up. We also saw how critical it is to keep Leonard out of foul trouble right now.
4 - Duncan/Diaw. It's kind of hard to decide who plays exactly where the way Pop fiddles with lineups, but this rotation is good for another year.
5 - Splitter/Baynes/Ayres. I'd be a lot more comfortable if Baynes showed better defensive instincts. He seems to have acceptable scoring ability close to the rim, so hopefully he'll figure some things out defensively this offseason.

The post situation is a patch work. An effective one, but a patchwork nonetheless that will get more patchy as Duncan and Diaw slow down. I like Splitter, but he's not the answer in terms of a stud post player. He's a great defender and glue guy, but not someone you can toss the ball to down low to stop the bleeding. He also can't stretch the defense and still gets overpowered at times by bigger guys with post moves. This is the first need, imo, and one that everyone is looking to fill. Tim Duncans don't grow on trees.

The second need is a backup 2/3. Ideally around 6'7 with good defense and a couple spots where he can hit a three. Anything more offensively is a luxury.
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I don't see anyone giving Patty the keys to the car as a starter. As such, you don't give your backup PG a MLE contract. I think most Patty sees is a 2y6mm or 3y9mm contract, and the Spurs easily match that to keep him.

Same with BoBo. He can play on a team perfect for his skillset with a coach that takes care of him and allows him to succeed and with his best friend and fellow countryman, or he can go be on a team he is completely out of place on like he was in Charlotte, Phoenix after DAntoni or Atlanta. I think Diaw stays and gets a MLE-type contract from the Spurs for 2-3 years.

Bonner can stay if he will take the vet min. We need someone to keep wrecking the AC and being white but not foreign.

Will the Spurs actually get some players wanting to take a pay cut to play for a ring? Miami, Boston and LA have all gotten that over the years.
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They will let Bonner and Daye go. Baynes, no telling.

Hopefully they talk Diaw and MIlls into staying. If they can do that, use whatever money is left for depth down low. Who are the free agents at the SF, PF, and C positions this year?

Edit - I see Luol Deng is available. He seems to fit the Spurs mold. Foreign. Facilitator. Vet that probably wants to win it all.

Edit 2 - Then Pau Gasol joins the Spurs for pennies to add Spain to their collection.

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aggie_2001_2005
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So while I'm dreaming here, that'd give them:

Parker Mills Joseph
Green Ginobili Marco B
Kawhi Deng
Duncan Splitter
Gasol Diaw
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SF:

1. Lebron
2. Melo
3. Deng
4. Gay
5. Gordon Hayward (RFA)
6. Ariza
7. Even Turner
8. Marion
9. AK47 (option for 3.3mm)
10. Granger
11. Marvin Williams
12. Caron Butler
13. Mike Miller
14. CJ Miles
15. Beasley
16. Al-Farouq Aminu
17. PJ Tucker
18. Ron Artest

PF:
1. Bosh
2. Dirk
3. Pau
4. ZBo (option)
5. McRoberts
6. Kris Kardashian
7. Jordan Hill
8. Ed Davis
9. Patrick Patterson
10. Dejuan
11. Jason Smith (I could see this. VERY good midrange shooter.)
12. Elton Brand
13. Big Baby
14. Darrell Arthur (from Texas, can be tough defender, injury concern)
15. Royce White (hey, we like passers, right?)

Centers:
1. Greg Monroe
2. Marcin Gortat
3. Spencer Hawes
4. Channing Frye
5. Andrew Literally Cancer Bynum
6. Jermaine ONeal. No really, he still plays and is two years younger than Timmy. Plus he helps keep the fat kids off the court.
7. Chris Kaman - only no defense ever played.
8. Okafor - could he come for the vet min for a year?
9. Camby
10. Andris Biedrins.
Ganondorf
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In.

Spurs should bring back the whole gang. Only our resident stars are old.
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This team just obliterated the two time champs by the largest margin of victory in NBA finals history. Priority #1 is to bring back 100% of the key players on this team and keep enough depth to keep minutes low. Make someone beat you with a team that looked damn near unstoppable at the end of the season.

Mills - I think Patty is going to get an offer closer to $5-7 million from some team after his game 5 and finals performance. I hope its closer to $5 million since he is a bit small for a PG. I think unless he gets the starting role on a decent team or a coach he is comfortable with (Atlanta or Philly possibly) then he would give the Spurs a chance to match and may even give a home town discount for about $4 million. I hope the Spurs sign him for 3-years (12-15 million) and see how he develops. At then end of this contract you will know how Tony is holding up and if Mills is the future starter or not in San Antonio. If he wants to start now, there may be nothing the Spurs can do to keep him.

Diaw - I worry that a dumb GM may go crazy for a player like Diaw, but at then end of the day you have a slightly overweight, pass first, 32 year old, that is an inconsistent scorer. He is better on the Spurs than he would be anywhere else. How much is a 9 ppg scorer worth? I can't see his market value being over $5 million per season, but there is always the concern that one moron GM will think that signing Diaw means they will move the ball like the Spurs. I think the Spurs give him a slight raise and sign him to 3 years for $5 million per year.

Depending on how much Patty and Boris command. I think the Spurs may be able to offer the full MLE to a player. I think their #1 priority out of the expected free agents should be Pau Gasol. I doubt he signs for that amount, but he would be great in this offense. You could sign him to a low amount in year one and then bump him up for next year and beyond once Timmy and Manu's contracts expire.

I think Belenelli will take a big jump and play much better next year as most players do in the Spurs offense so that will be a big offseason development.

Sign and stash a foreign player in the draft and defend your title with basically the same team plus possibly Gasol if he is serious about winning another title and doesn't mind taking a one year pay cut.
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I saw the replay of Stuart Scott's quick interview on the court with Tim where he says that he still feels he can contribute and the time hasn't come where either Pop or his body tells him he can't compete.

I'd say that's a good sign for him to come back.
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Never heard of the distance traveled per 48 stat but decided to look it up.

In last place (with at least 3 min/game)... old man Paul Pierce haha
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I think Austin Daye can be a player for us
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IMO no need to change much. But, the Heat went with the stand pat approach last year (aside from Miller) and it just left them a year older. If the Spurs of the last 15 years have taught anything it is that you have to constantly keep your role players fresh or you'll fall behind.

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Ganondorf
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But is there a bench/role player that you feel has a deficiency or is old? Boris has the most chance to get old and everyone else is rather young.

Since no one is going to get really old except Manu/Tim and the regular rotation people aren't bad (think Gary Neal - couldn't dribble) then I don't know where to change.

Marco's defense and lack of shot during the finals is suspect but I think he'll be better in year 2 like Patty and Green.
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It would be nice to add a little more above the rim athleticsm if possible, but the Spurs game isn't predicated on that. Although I did like seeing that designed alley oop to Kawhi coming out of the timeout!

Looking into the future, you have to consider how much Leonard will command when making any contract decisions past this year. I would love to see a nucleus of Parker, Leonard and Gasol for the next 3-4 years. With Manu and Timmy holding out as long as they can for less money. I wouldn't give parker more than 7-8 million per year though. I am not sure he stays for under 10million after next year in what should be his last big contract.

Duncan is still solid, but if he drops off just a bit, then the Spurs lack of post scoring could start to be a problem. Splitter is getting better at finishing though. His FT shooting improved drastically since last year. I hope he works on developing a short jumper this offseason and works on some quicker post moves. This is where Gasol would be huge.

And going back to the Austin Daye comment. I think you let Bonner go if you think Daye could be a player. Otherwise give Bonner the vet minimum.

As far as getting old goes, Tony is the only player I worry about. No other old Spur's game is predicated on his athleticism. Parker should have gone for 30 last night against the Heat's lineup and he just couldn't. I hope it was his ankle and an offseason off will help him come back strong.
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Pass on Gasol. That guy is done.
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Mills is analogous to Speedy Claxton...
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If you get Gasol for around the MLE, you would be a fool to pass. Let him play fewer minutes in a rotation with Duncan, Splitter and Diaw and you may be surprised how effective he is.

His passing and shooting skills would fit in great in San Antonio and he could be a solid rebounder and defender.

Folks said Diaw was done too before he got to San Antonio. Gasol is 33 I think he has three years minimum left.
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I don't buy his shooting ability. He has missed 20+ games each of the last 3 years. He will only get softer inside.
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Come on LeBron. If you want seven rings, you only have one choice. MLE to the Spurs.
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I wish Lebron would really consider that. He would be awesome in this system. He could take his marketing international as well with all the foreign players the Spurs have and could market himself as the face of bringing back team basketball to America. Plus if you are taking a pay cut, might as well do it in a state without income tax.

I know it's not the Spurs way to ever sign a big free agent, but if there ever was a year to do it then now would be the time to start taking over the reigns from Duncan and Manu and to pair up with Kawhi to form a very formidable team for the next decade or so.
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I mentioned in the Finals thread, I'd love to see the Spurs draft Mitch McGary. He's a very good passing big man; has range on his shot; runs well and dives for loose balls ala Patty Mills


In Chad Ford's v6 Mock Draft, he had the Spurs taking him with the final pick in the 1st round.

Analysis:
6'10
250lb
Overall Rank 29
Position Rank 8
Hollinger PER 25.23
Projection Late First Round Pick

Positives:
Physical, high energy big man
Excellent motor
Strong and imposing in the paint
Amazing hands
Good leaper and an aggressive dunker
Excellent rebounder and shot-blocker
Solid range on his jumper out to 18 feet

Negatives:
Still needs to work on his post game
Can be overactive to the point of hyper
Back issues
Suspended from NCAA for one year for marijuana violation
Guitarsoup
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I know it's not the Spurs way to ever sign a big free agent,


It's not that they haven't tried. Big free agents have never wanted to play in SA, no matter how good the Spurs have been. Old players have, though. (Doc, Porter, Kersey, Sleepy, etc)
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I know they have tried. I guess what I am saying is if we ever were going to be an appealing destination it would be now. I think we have finally shed the boring label and we may have some real money coming available next year to pay someone to go along with Kawhi if we really wanted to.

Heck if Lebron was serious, you could trade Tony (sign Mills) and let bonner go and get to $16 million right there. Duncan would probably take a little less as well. We could probably pay close to 20 million if Lebron or another big time free agent seriously showed interest.
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Suspended from NCAA for one year for marijuana violation


sounds like he'd get along with duncan.
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Kawhi is younger than five guys expected to be drafted next week.
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This is going to be a big offseason. I think we will (hopefully) see a lot of moves that would reflect future spurs line up.
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Kawhi is younger than five guys expected to be drafted next week.
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“The last time I tried that I got blocked badly by Caron Butler of OKC … I got made fun of badly. My teammates made me promise I wouldn’t ever try that again.” —Manu Ginobili.


BlackGold
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What do spurs fans think of Kevin love? If he played defense he would be even better than he is.
Guitarsoup
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If.

He is a max player. He isn't coming to SA.

The only way the Spurs sign a big name in free agency is if someone big wants to take significantly less money to work hard, play defense and pass for the chance at one or two titles to cap off the end of the Duncan era.

The only player that has a real reason to do that is LeBron and I put the chances of him even thinking about it at .005%. LeBron would fit perfectly and is really his best shot at getting anywhere near Jordan's 6 titles. DWade sucks and won't opt out this offseason. Wade would be leaving 43mm on the table for the next two years and I don't think he could even get a 43 million dollar contract for 4 years at this point.
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Of course we would love to get Love, but he is a pipe dream like Lebron. I don't see these guys signing for the MLE.
 
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