True Anomaly said:

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Grapesoda2525 said:

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Link to an interesting Dallas Mavericks chat.

I'm looking forward to free agency starting

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-mavericks/mavericks/2018/06/21/eddie-sefko-answers-mavericks-questions-10-am-tuesday-june-26-ask-now

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I like a lot of what Sefko says. However, I can't see Wes Matthews coming off the bench because of how insistent he is on starting- it's like some weird disease for him. So if he ain't coming off the bench, and Carlisle projects Doncic as a starter...what does the starting five look like, especially if they get a free-agent center?

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I definitely agree with him about Jordan.

He definitely inflicted some damage on this franchise. Please please stay away.

I think there is a good chance the Mavs land one of Boogie/Deandre Jordan.

Boogie or Dre
Dirk
Barnes
Matthews
Dennis

Luka will run the second team, much like Manu ran the second team on the Spurs. Still gets 30+ MPG

But I think there is a good chance that Wes' ending contract gets moved in any deal made for Boogie or Dre. I realize Dallas has the room to outright sign Boogie, but NOLA needs shooters anyway so it is something that would make sense for both teams. Not like players are knocking down the door to play in NOLA.

I thought I heard in the press conference the day after the draft that Carlisle said he could see Doncic starting? Could be mistaken.

Luka is going to be a huge stud and I think will be the best player in the draft. However, since he can run the point and creates mismatch problems, especially when he is transitioning to the NBA, it likely makes sense to let him come off the bench for a while, especially when you already have WM/HB/DS.

I would imagine if WM is causing problems by taking a bench/6th man role, he will be gone by February. Luka is the future. But having a great creator coming off the bench is invaluable.

Is he really wearing #77? I hope not.

All need to remember he is 19... I think the most likely scenario is he is a 20 mpg player most of the season and he gets ramped up at the end of it.

Doncic is a great prospect, but I don't hink he has the athleticism to just jump in and be an all star or consistent 30 mpg player year 1. Mavs fans need to prepare for them to be not very good next season and get contribution from Doncic that makes you worry that the Hawks fleeced you,

There aren't many players who come in at 19 and are automatically massive contributors and those that do aren't just #1 picks but almost always runaway number 1's.

Nope, im all in on him being an allstar year 1

ATM9000 said:

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All need to remember he is 19... I think the most likely scenario is he is a 20 mpg player most of the season and he gets ramped up at the end of it.

Doncic is a great prospect, but I don't hink he has the athleticism to just jump in and be an all star or consistent 30 mpg player year 1. Mavs fans need to prepare for them to be not very good next season and get contribution from Doncic that makes you worry that the Hawks fleeced you,

There aren't many players who come in at 19 and are automatically massive contributors and those that do aren't just #1 picks but almost always runaway number 1's.

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This is not a typical 19 year old who is getting drafted out of a U.S. college. This particular guy has been playing against pros already for years including teams with some former and current NBA players. He isn't going to be playing in the summer league because he just wrapped up a long EuroLeague season.

I think he is a starter Day 1. Not going to jump on All-Star hype in Year 1 but he does look like an NBA starter right out the gate.

PooDoo said:

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Is he really wearing #77? I hope not.

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Guitarsoup said:

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Luka is going to be a huge stud and I think will be the best player in the draft. However, since he can run the point and creates mismatch problems, especially when he is transitioning to the NBA, it likely makes sense to let him come off the bench for a while, especially when you already have WM/HB/DS.

I would imagine if WM is causing problems by taking a bench/6th man role, he will be gone by February. Luka is the future. But having a great creator coming off the bench is invaluable.

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Agree about him being valuable running the 2nd unit, but I'd rather him and DSJ learn together on the starting unit

Who "starts" is ultimately a fruitless dileneation. Minutes is the important metric. Carlisle won't play anyone who hasn't earned it but I have no doubts Luka and DSJ will get significant PT together (20+ min per game).

Only thing the Mavs can really offer is cap relief. Flip DJ at 25M for Mathews at 18M. Maybe toss in a future 2nd rounder or one of Finney-Smith/Kleber. That would be a poo poo platter deluxe.

The main thing playing in the Mavs favor is the fact that the Clippers don't need DeAndre. They have Gortat and should be tanking anyways. Best part would be that the Mavs would still have a bunch of cap space.

I was hoping they had something lined up with cousins.

What does Jordan do for us? Get us to bounced in the 1st round if we're lucky?

Cousins is elite but is he going to recover and be worth the price tag and headaches?

If we move Matthews when we get Jordan, we can still sign a big name in free agency.

Throw a max at Capella early. Houston likely won't bite in time as they have to wait out the LeBron possibility. If they do their rolling with what they had last year and nothing else.

PatAg said:

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If we move Matthews when we get Jordan, we can still sign a big name in free agency.

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If we don't trade for Deandre, we can sign two big names. One this year and one next, or two next year which would be my preference. I don't agree with spending big money on a center bc the game is moving away from it, as I explained in earlier posts. I can't imagine building a championship roster while spending a lot on a center.

But if the mavs are dead set on spending money on a center, I guess they should get one this season when there aren't many teams with cap space. Tons of teams will have cap space next year so it will be harder to attract free agents.

What's Tyson doing? Could always go back to the well with him for cheap and save the DJ potential money for a stud FA

He's got another year on his deal with PHX, paying $13 mill

I like the idea of trading for a 1 yr deal with DJ. It keeps our flexibility and fills a short term need. It's a band-aid. Looking into the future, i'm not sure there's an obvious or easy answer for the Mavs long term plans at Center (classic Mavs dilemma right? lol).

Signing Capela is the best option with the least likelihood of happening. My second choice may actually be signing Derrick Favors in addition to trading for DJ. I know Favors is not really a 'big' or a prototypical '5' but he is versatile on offense and can actually rim protect enough to make an impact (think Powell but with a higher ceiling if healthy).

Outside of the above, I think the plan going forward (like EVERY other team) is Project: Sign AD. My #1 goal, as a Mavs GM/Coach, would be in developing DSJ and Doncic (duh) to the point that they emerge in 2 years as THE TOP backcourt in the NBA (or at least the most promising). That + Max Offer will be the biggest help in attracting a future star at the Center position. Without it, we might as well be Orlando or Chicago. Like Mavsfan4ever said, tons of teams will have cap space in 2 years, so the Mavs need to offer something enticing beyond money to get a guy like AD.

In the meantime, keep looking for band-aids and keep throwing darts at the board in terms of drafting hidden gems (ie a Capela or Draymond) that can project as a starting Center one day.

Jordan is expiring (assuming the whole opt-in and trade occurs). Picking up Jordan doesn't ruin the Mavs flexibility next year. It only takes away about 7M from this year's room. But Jordan would be much more useful next year than Mathews anyways. It is a neutral move long term. Hopefully the Mavs can use the remaining 20M to sign a young RFA that could be useful long term. I would like to see the Mavs use that 20M to pick up some flyers on young guys like Exum, Len and Hezonja.

If the Mavs trade for Jordan, next year they would have a cap hold around $30mm until he resigns or is signed by another team or is renounced by the Mavs.

Guitarsoup said:

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If the Mavs trade for Jordan, next year they would have a cap hold around $30mm until he resigns or is signed by another team or is renounced by the Mavs.

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Are you saying that's a problem? Idgi.

Why would the clippers take Mathews?

He's not good and his contract is terrible.

M.C. Swag said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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If the Mavs trade for Jordan, next year they would have a cap hold around $30mm until he resigns or is signed by another team or is renounced by the Mavs.

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Are you saying that's a problem? Idgi.

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It means that he takes up a lot of room next year and there may or may not be room for a big FA.

Harrison 25mm
Jordan 30mm
Luka 7mm
Powell 10mm
Dirk 5mm?

That is 77mm right there, plus a 750k cap hold for each of the other 7 spots is another 5mm. So not enough for another max guy without other major moves or signing DJ to significantly less.

If the plan is not to sign Jordan long term, then I'm neutral with trading for him. I just assumed the Mavs were planning to sign him past next year., which I don't want.

Guitarsoup said:

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M.C. Swag said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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If the Mavs trade for Jordan, next year they would have a cap hold around $30mm until he resigns or is signed by another team or is renounced by the Mavs.

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Are you saying that's a problem? Idgi.

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It means that he takes up a lot of room next year and there may or may not be room for a big FA.

Harrison 25mm
Jordan 30mm
Luka 7mm
Powell 10mm
Dirk 5mm?

That is 77mm right there, plus a 750k cap hold for each of the other 7 spots is another 5mm. So not enough for another max guy without other major moves or signing DJ to significantly less.

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Why wouldn't we just renounce him?

Grapesoda2525 said:

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Why would the clippers take Mathews?

He's not good and his contract is terrible.

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Ending contract and he is a rotational player that can hit threes. They will probably want something else in the deal, too.

You can, but who are you going to get to play center next year that is better? The centers available next summer are trash outside KAT who will probably get the max from Minn. This year you can get Jordan and lock him up or Boogie - much better long term outlook than next year (Enes Kanter, Dwight Howard, Robin Lopez headline the group.)

Guitarsoup said:

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Grapesoda2525 said:

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Why would the clippers take Mathews?

He's not good and his contract is terrible.

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Ending contract and he is a rotational player that can hit threes. They will probably want something else in the deal, too.

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I seem to recall at least 10 games last year where Matthews would miss big shots at the end of games.

It's great now because we have Doncic, but it sucked at the time.

Mathews should be a 3 year / 30 mill type player but Cuban way overpaid.

I'm not wanting to pay any center big money. I'd rather renounce and have the cap space available to pay big money to other positions and find a cheaper, serviceable center. I agree that if our front office has already decided that they are going to pay big money to a center, then getting Deandre or Boogie makes sense because we really have no competition for them. I just don't want to pay a center.

Grapesoda2525 said:

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Why would the clippers take Mathews?

He's not good and his contract is terrible.

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Because the $24m is a sunk cost for LA. The Clippers already made it clear they dont want Deandre Jordan, but they don't have a say in whether they pay that $24m or not. So trading for Mathews at least reduces that by about $6m and it gets rid of a guy they no longer want or need (with the addition of Gortat).

M.C. Swag said:

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Grapesoda2525 said:

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Why would the clippers take Mathews?

He's not good and his contract is terrible.

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Because the $24m is a sunk cost for LA. The Clippers already made it clear they dont want Deandre Jordan, but they don't have a say in whether they pay that $24m or not. So trading for Mathews at least reduces that by about $6m and it gets rid of a guy they no longer want or need (with the addition of Gortat).

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Doesn't Matthews have a player option after this year that he could opt in to?

I thought the mavs were stuck with Matthews this year and next year.