*****2021 Spurs Offseason Thread*****

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the smartest place to put the "new arena" would be hemisfair
you may all go to hell and i will go to Texas
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Sure hope Primo was the right pick.
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Rockets did great with both their picks.
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Yea Sengun is looking really good. He's so comfortable out there. His size and foot speed defensively are going to be the main thing that limits him. If he grows a couple of more inches that dude is going to be scary.

But then again it's just summer league too. Will be interesting if he can hold is own against the starting bigs in the league . at 19.
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I wanted Sengun but Primo has looked promising.

After watching one Rockets summer league game I do have my doubts about Senguns ability to score on legit bigs. Hes living at the line in the summer league against lessor players. He could end up being a great 3 ball shooter though.
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Also Christopher is looking to be a good late first rounder. Their young core is looking nice.
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Looks like a trade will have to wait. Makes sense that we would want to at least see what Thad can do before.
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Enzo The Baker said:


Looks like a trade will have to wait. Makes sense that we would want to at least see what Thad can do before.

Will probably be able to move him for more at the deadline to a contender looking to make a run as compared to now. Provided he plays well and is healthy of course
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This makes it look a whole lot better.

Interested to see What Bryn's contract looks like. Unless I just missed it entirely.
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Enzo The Baker said:


This makes it look a whole lot better.

Interested to see What Bryn's contract looks like. Unless I just missed it entirely.
Makes him an excellent trade chip, too. Trade him this season and his contract for the following season would be guaranteed just 3.7mm, and could be stretched over 3 years.
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Tre Jones with the game winning drive.

https://streamable.com/f6bvky
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With two a days and the school year starting back up I haven't gotten to watch the summer Spurs, but Tre Jones has been putting up some killer numbers.

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West Texan said:

With two a days and the school year starting back up I haven't gotten to watch the summer Spurs, but Tre Jones has been putting up some killer numbers.


The one game I was able to watch, Primo wasn't having a good game so Tre and Devin were the only real scoring threats. He looked good but overall, that summer league roster isn't very good.
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San Antonio Spurs

I love what the Spurs did! With millions in cap room, they didn't get sucked in by overpaying guys they didn't need, instead focusing on taking some value-driven shots on upside and extorting draft picks from DeMar DeRozan's departure. The Spurs can dedicate this season to player development and take max cap room into the 2022 offseason; they also retained the flexibility to pounce on a trade opportunity at basically any point.

Not only did they turn DeRozan into a future first and two seconds from Chicago, but also the Spurs could easily profit a second time at the trade deadline by turning Thaddeus Young's expiring contract into more draft equity. The Spurs got another second-round draft pick by using a small bit of leftover cap room to take in Chandler Hutchison from Washington.

The Spurs also took some well-thought-out gambles, most notably with a three-year, $22 million deal for Zach Collins that is 50 percent guaranteed. Collins may be either too injured or not quite skilled enough to make an impact, but San Antonio gave itself a chance to win big on this contract if everything breaks right, with near-zero downside given its cap situation. Australian big man Jock Landale, meanwhile, has some Aron Baynes 2.0 possibilities.

One surprise to monitor: They went for Doug McDermott instead of Lauri Markkanen. The Spurs easily could have thrown the latter name into the DeRozan deal but instead gave McDermott three years and $42 million. The Spurs need shooting, had the room and his contract doesn't seem to take them out of any future possibilities, but this is definitely at the high end of McDermott's value.
https://theathletic.com/2766222/2021/08/12/john-hollingers-nba-free-agency-winners-nets-wizards-among-teams-in-a-better-place/
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LawHall88 said:

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San Antonio Spurs

I love what the Spurs did! With millions in cap room, they didn't get sucked in by overpaying guys they didn't need, instead focusing on taking some value-driven shots on upside and extorting draft picks from DeMar DeRozan's departure. The Spurs can dedicate this season to player development and take max cap room into the 2022 offseason; they also retained the flexibility to pounce on a trade opportunity at basically any point.

Not only did they turn DeRozan into a future first and two seconds from Chicago, but also the Spurs could easily profit a second time at the trade deadline by turning Thaddeus Young's expiring contract into more draft equity. The Spurs got another second-round draft pick by using a small bit of leftover cap room to take in Chandler Hutchison from Washington.

The Spurs also took some well-thought-out gambles, most notably with a three-year, $22 million deal for Zach Collins that is 50 percent guaranteed. Collins may be either too injured or not quite skilled enough to make an impact, but San Antonio gave itself a chance to win big on this contract if everything breaks right, with near-zero downside given its cap situation. Australian big man Jock Landale, meanwhile, has some Aron Baynes 2.0 possibilities.

One surprise to monitor: They went for Doug McDermott instead of Lauri Markkanen. The Spurs easily could have thrown the latter name into the DeRozan deal but instead gave McDermott three years and $42 million. The Spurs need shooting, had the room and his contract doesn't seem to take them out of any future possibilities, but this is definitely at the high end of McDermott's value.
https://theathletic.com/2766222/2021/08/12/john-hollingers-nba-free-agency-winners-nets-wizards-among-teams-in-a-better-place/
Good write up. I think they wanted Lauri over Doug, but Lauri was demanding 18mm+ and we landed Doug for 14. Easy choice, especially because it means we got Thaddeus+picks for DeRozan.
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He reminds me of Vinny del negro
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And it's not just 3s

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MookieBlaylock said:

He reminds me of Vinny del negro


Because his name sounds Italian?
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Enzo The Baker said:

MookieBlaylock said:

He reminds me of Vinny del negro


Because his name sounds Italian?


Primo Ginobli Del Negro and Enzo all eyetalians
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Fischer from B/R
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That leaves San Antonio as perhaps the most interesting potential trade partner. And there is a faction of the Spurs front office rumored to strongly covet Simmons.

There's a well-documented history of Gregg Popovich incorporating Australian talent such as Patty Mills, Aron Baynes and others, along with New Zealander Sean Marks, not to mention the connection with former Spurs assistant and Simmons' first head coach, Brett Brown.

Personnel who spent time with Team USA during the Tokyo Olympics also suggested to B/R that longtime Spurs shooting czar Chip Engelland would relish the opportunity to rework Simmons' mechanics, just as the noted assistant coach ironed out Kawhi Leonard's jump shot and others before him.

San Antonio was open to discussing Dejounte Murray and Lonnie Walker IV before the draft, sources said, and the Spurs added more enticing future draft capital in their sign-and-trade that delivered DeMar DeRozan to Chicago. Could the starting points of that package be enough to truly intrigue Philly? Portland's eventual interest, as always, would factor heavily into any further discussions, too.



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Thats future HOFer Lonnie Walker

What a terrible trade package hope they take it
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Stein.


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Popovich is 26 wins shy of passing his dear friend Don Nelson for the most regular-season coaching victories in league history and I've heard enough whispers to believe that he wants that milestone more than he would ever admit.

It is not Pop's way to chase statistical honors, much less discuss them, but the fact that one of his mentors is the record holder (Nelson has 1,335 wins) presumably gives the target added appeal. At a critical juncture in his climb up the NBA ladder, Popovich spent two seasons in Golden State as Nelson's top assistant, which helped establish the former Division III college coach from Pomona-Pitzer in the big leagues. After the Spurs hired Popovich as their general manager in August 1994 for his second stint with the team, he stayed in the front office for two seasons and change before abruptly firing Bob Hill in December 1996 and installing himself as Hill's replacement.

After both the regular season and the Olympics, Popovich declined to share firm details about how long he intends to keep coaching the Spurs, since it is especially not his way to clarify such timelines for the media. It must surely be enticing to ponder walking away on the ultimate high after triumph in Tokyo, and a stressful job he called "the most responsibility I've ever felt," but the working assumption is that Popovich is likely to spend at least one more season on the Spurs' bench before stepping aside.

After 25 seasons in charge, 22 trips to the playoffs and those five titles, Popovich will naturally leave his post how and whenever he chooses. He has earned that right. Chances are we won't hear from him on any topic until training camp begins, but it's fair to say with less than 40 days until camps open leaguewide that there is far more chatter circulating about the Spurs' attempts to barge their way into the Ben Simmons trade sweepstakes than Pop's future.

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If the Spurs didn't win the lottery and get Timmy, do you think he would have stayed as coach or hired someone else?

Also the schedule...looks interesting. There's an unusually long road trip that's not the RRT so I wonder why that is.
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superunknown said:

If the Spurs didn't win the lottery and get Timmy, do you think he would have stayed as coach or hired someone else?

Also the schedule...looks interesting. There's an unusually long road trip that's not the RRT so I wonder why that is.

Tim Duncan single handedly made more careers than we probably realize. If we don't draft him, I think it's likely that Pop would have moved on from the Spurs at some point. Just the nature of not having nucleus for an extended period of time. Your Spoelstras of the world are really the exception to the rule.
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97 would have been a bad year to not win the lottery. McGrady was the only other franchise player in that draft and teams were hesitant to pick HSers early.

The top 4 picks in 98 were Olowkandi, Bobby, Raef LaFrenz, and Jamison. There wasn't a cornerstone in 99 or 00.

Would have been rough
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superunknown said:

If the Spurs didn't win the lottery and get Timmy, do you think he would have stayed as coach or hired someone else?


Thank god we only have to speculate about that scenario.
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Min is great for Jocko. Spurs have a lot of flexibility for next year.

Murray: 16.5
White: 16.4
Doug: 13.75
Jakob: 9.4
Collins: 3.7
Primo: 4.1

Team options:
Luka: 4.6
Vassell: 4.4
Keldon 3.9

Unguaranteed:
Eubanks: 1.9
Tre: 1.8
Jock: 1.6
Collins other 3.75

Cap Hold:
Lonnie: 13.3

Max open: ~50mm
Realistic cap space: ~30mm (keeping Luka, Vassell, Keldon, Collins and S&T Lonnie
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Guitarsoup said:

97 would have been a bad year to not win the lottery. McGrady was the only other franchise player in that draft and teams were hesitant to pick HSers early.

The top 4 picks in 98 were Olowkandi, Bobby, Raef LaFrenz, and Jamison. There wasn't a cornerstone in 99 or 00.

Would have been rough


Egads that's terrible. Thanks for reminding me, maybe?

No Tim = no '99 LOB trophy. Without that, do voters still OK the arena project? If theres no arena, do the Spurs even still exist?

Thank you, Timmy.
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If Duncan had gone to Orlando with Grant and McGrath the Spurs would have moved

If pop doesnt get Duncan he doesnt make it another 2 years

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MookieBlaylock said:

If Duncan had gone to Orlando with Grant and McGrath the Spurs would have moved

If pop doesnt get Duncan he doesnt make it another 2 years




Never knew Sugar Ray was going to Orlando
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Booger Sugar Ray has a mean jumper
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Guitarsoup said:

MookieBlaylock said:

If Duncan had gone to Orlando with Grant and McGrath the Spurs would have moved

If pop doesnt get Duncan he doesnt make it another 2 years




Never knew Sugar Ray was going to Orlando


He ended up in Denver

 
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