A good shooter wouldn't hurt either. We are just really lacking in a lot of areas.

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I wouldn't mind drafting him either. Most mock drafts have him available at the time the Spurs draft. He fell from 10 to 17 on KOC's draft.

If the Spurs really are looking to move DJ or White, there might be some good back court options available at 12 too. Regardless I hope we take BPA.

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If we're gonna trade one of our two primary ball handlers, then I really like Josh Giddey. He's second on my personal list of prospects available at 12 right now, but his current fit isn't great with both White and Dejounte running the offense.

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I like both of those and would be OK with either. Jalen Johnson is intriguing but the fact that he sat out last year bothers me a little. He seems like he has a huge upside but may be more of a gamble.

I am also interested to see if Luka continues to progress and how he will be used this year.

One things is certain, this offseason should be more interesting than most of the recent past. At least I hope it is.

Enzo The Baker said:

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A good shooter wouldn't hurt either. We are just really lacking in a lot of areas.

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Most definitely. I don't hate Corey Kispert and I think he'll be a really good player for a long time similar to Kyle Korver. However, he's the type that's a really good piece on a team but not the guy you build around. I'd rather trade back and pick up multiple picks/wait for the 2nd round, or see who we can acquire in free agency to address our shooting needs.

Chris Duarte, Trey Murphy, Joe Wieskamp, Kessler Edwards are just a few names that will be available in either the late first or second round.

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West Texan said:

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Enzo The Baker said:

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I wouldn't mind drafting him either. Most mock drafts have him available at the time the Spurs draft. He fell from 10 to 17 on KOC's draft.

If the Spurs really are looking to move DJ or White, there might be some good back court options available at 12 too. Regardless I hope we take BPA.

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If we're gonna trade one of our two primary ball handlers, then I really like Josh Giddey. He's second on my personal list of prospects available at 12 right now, but his current fit isn't great with both White and Dejounte running the offense.

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I like both of those and would be OK with either. Jalen Johnson is intriguing but the fact that he sat out last year bothers me a little. He seems like he has a huge upside but may be more of a gamble.

I am also interested to see if Luka continues to progress and how he will be used this year.

One things is certain, this offseason should be more interesting than most of the recent past. At least I hope it is.

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Even with all the upside he has, I have a hard time seeing PATFO drafting Johnson. They've built a reputation on not drafting knuckle heads and after the Kawhi debacle I imagine they're more gun shy than normal.

The likelihood of getting a franchise cornerstone at 12 is slim.

I just hope we don't squander our cap space on long term offers to Lauri or Collins. I'd rather take on a bad contract for two years and get another first rounder, say like a Wiggins with #14.

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The likelihood of getting a franchise cornerstone at 12 is slim.

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Booker and Giannis were both drafted after 12. But in all seriousness I know you're right but there are some that are more likely than others.

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Guitarsoup said:

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The likelihood of getting a franchise cornerstone at 12 is slim.

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Booker and Giannis were both drafted after 12. But in all seriousness I know you're right but there are some that are more likely than others.

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Going back ten years with just a quick look at Win Shares. Hard to call all these guys franchise cornerstones, though Kawhi, Giannis, Lonnie, and Jokic all are.

2011: Jimmy Butler 30th
2011: Kawhi 15th
2012: Middleton 39th
2013: Gobert 27th
2013: Giannis 15th
2014: Jokic 41st
2014: Capela 25th
2016: Siakam 27th
2018: Lonnie Walker 18th
2018: Michael Porter 14th

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I just hope we don't squander our cap space on long term offers to Lauri or Collins. I'd rather take on a bad contract for two years and get another first rounder, say like a Wiggins with #14.

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Speaking of

Atlanta has extended the qualifying offer to John Collins, which makes him a restricted free agent, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Collins is one of the top free agents on the market.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) July 22, 2021

If Middleton opts out does Lonnie get the call?

Sengun is #4 on Hollingers big board.

DD we'll take a pay cut to play for the Lakers

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/spurs-former-all-star-demar-derozan-willing-to-take-a-pay-cut-to-join-lakers-per-report/

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DD we'll take a pay cut to play for the Lakers

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/spurs-former-all-star-demar-derozan-willing-to-take-a-pay-cut-to-join-lakers-per-report/

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If he's willing to sign for the MLE, then good for him. If he wants anything more than that it's probably gonna have to be a sign and trade.

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DD we'll take a pay cut to play for the Lakers

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/spurs-former-all-star-demar-derozan-willing-to-take-a-pay-cut-to-join-lakers-per-report/

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If he's willing to sign for the MLE, then good for him. If he wants anything more than that it's probably gonna have to be a sign and trade.

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Lakers are at 123mm with just seven players. Doesn't include Caruso, Schroeder, etc.

They will only have the taxpayer MLE, which is 5ish, not 10ish

In this article, I analyzed the drafting records of all thirty #NBA teams over the past twelve years. To do this, I used the LEBRON metric to measure player performance from @The_BBall_Indexhttps://t.co/2T2VhsKc6F

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— Brayden Gerrard (@braydengerrard) July 24, 2021

Interesting article, but pretty much tells us with numbers what we can see anyway. The teams that are always picking in the lottery aren't very good at drafting.

Yea, I think he will likely take the tax payer MLE. Taking on any of the Laker's assets is just so meh. The 22nd pick would be good, but everything else I'm just really lukewarm on, even Kuzma.

I think we will likely lose DeMar for nothing. I can see why the Spurs made the move for DeMar to remain competitive. It just didn't work out. I really think it was the best they could do when Kawhi completely tanked his value. But they could have acknowledged the terrible fit of LMA and DeMar a lot sooner and done something about it. Oh well. At least we got Big Body.

So who do yall think will be a good fit in free agency? I've seen some talk about Fournier and Oubre. What do yall think? I haven't really watched Fournier enough to even know what his game is and I'm not sold on Oubre.

This free agency class is pretty bleak. I'm not a fan of anyone. Depending on who we draft, we really need to shore our front line up. But is Collins at $20 million really worth it? Duncan Robinson is the only player that piques my interest, but he's gonna get that Bertans money, if not more.

Enzo The Baker said:

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This free agency class is pretty bleak. I'm not a fan of anyone. Depending on who we draft, we really need to shore our front line up. But is Collins at $20 million really worth it? Duncan Robinson is the only player that piques my interest, but he's gonna get that Bertans money, if not more.

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I agree. Definitely not a player to build your team around in free agency this year. Gotta hope we strike gold with somebody in the draft and our young players keep developing.

Really would like to see a big jump from Lonnie, Luka and Keldon.

We need playmakers (especially with the loss of DD) and there aren't really any in FA.

Lauri would fit well next to Poetl, but meh.

Yea. I'd much rather have Collins than Lauri. He does nothing for me.

Enzo The Baker said:

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Yea. I'd much rather have Collins than Lauri. He does nothing for me.

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Same, but with the addition of Vuvuec, I do l think the bills let Lauri go. I think Atl will run it back since they were so close.

Very true. Unless the Spurs offer the max, which might be tough for Atlanta to match, as they would likely be in luxury tax territory after next season.

Not saying we should offer the max by any means though.

Enzo The Baker said:

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This free agency class is pretty bleak. I'm not a fan of anyone. Depending on who we draft, we really need to shore our front line up. But is Collins at $20 million really worth it? Duncan Robinson is the only player that piques my interest, but he's gonna get that Bertans money, if not more.

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I demand Duncan Robinson be a Spur!!!!

The patented 3rd quarter collapse followed Pop to Tokyo. Great job, man.

Yea. It might be Pop. Or it might be the team's three best players playing like dog **** on offense.

Why does Lillard play like a chump?

He's the worst type of player for international ball. It's like '04 AI. He's a high volume low percentage guy. Jrue should take over starting point guard duties (while picking and choosing his stuff better). Booker gets a pass for today's game, but Dame, KD and Tatum? Come on man.

The Spurs haven't had a good point guard since Parker left. That's the biggest need, and landing one could potentially unlock a lot of the talent on the team.

That said, even with a good point guard they are stuck in purgatory with a ceiling of scrappy second round exit. Totally unsurprising given their roster decisions for the last few years, but at this point they have to get really lucky in the draft or just deal with it until the team collapses. No big free agents are going to San Antonio.

Shams is reporting that LAL and SAC are in discussion for a Kuzma-Hield trade. This would likely torpedo any chances of a s&t for Derozan with LAL.

Enzo The Baker said:

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Shams is reporting that LAL and SAC are in discussion for a Kuzma-Hield trade. This would likely torpedo any chances of a s&t for Derozan with LAL.

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Max for Collins, here we go!

https://ahnfiredigital.com/nba/team-usa-players-are-frustrated-with-gregg-popovich-running-the-san-antonio-offense/

Pop trying to teach Team USA the Spurs offense in three weeks. What a fool.

Get some pick and roll going with your shooters and profit, you old fool.

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https://ahnfiredigital.com/nba/team-usa-players-are-frustrated-with-gregg-popovich-running-the-san-antonio-offense/

Pop trying to teach Team USA the Spurs offense in three weeks. What a fool.

Get some pick and roll going with your shooters and profit, you old fool.

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All NBA players were missing wide open shots all game. This has nothing to do with any system. They just choked.

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The Spurs haven't had a good point guard since Parker left. That's the biggest need, and landing one could potentially unlock a lot of the talent on the team.

That said, even with a good point guard they are stuck in purgatory with a ceiling of scrappy second round exit. Totally unsurprising given their roster decisions for the last few years, but at this point they have to get really lucky in the draft or just deal with it until the team collapses. No big free agents are going to San Antonio.

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There's always luck involved unless you are the Lakers. All you can do is keep stacking assets and hope some of these guys become breakout stars or they get valuable enough to bundle and trade for a disgruntled star.

I understand the impatience but its no use trying to rush anything.