I think he'd be insane to turn down $43 million for next season. Teams that are making runs at championships don't have $30 million to spend on a single player, let alone anything near what he would make if he opted in.
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Definitely a risk. I'm not sure what the financials look like as far as what he will be able to get here vs elsewhere. Supposedly has a good relationship with AD at least. I think the chance he stays is very high, but the chance he bolts is not 0
Yeah it could end up being like the KD/Kyrie/Harden Nets where we never really see the roster take shape.zgolfz85 said:what's not being talked about here much....I think we lose Kyrie this offseason without getting guys back healthy for a post season run. I'm sure he's pissed about the trade and has growing doubts about this roster's ability to maintain the health necessary to get a ring.DannyDuberstein said:
I do wonder if we'll ever see the new look Mavs much. Partly a function of deciding you are ok with the core of your team being 32-33
After being on good behavior and showing out for the Mavs for several seasons, he'll be a hot commodity and he'll have plenty of old heads on other rosters wanting to share the court with him for a final championship push.
I was wondering if Kyrie could get more than the roughly $44 mil he'd get from his PO on the open market…looked back at the transactions from the summer and PG13 got close to $50 mil a year and he's older than Kai.
Thats why its a huge risk. For most athletes across all sports, 25-29 tends to be the body's peak years. Add in the injuries and wear and tear they put on themselves and their longevity can definitely be affected. And its even harder for the bigger guys. Its still a relatively newer thing to see some of these guys really last into late 30s and perform at a high level. Hoping that they can all stay fit across a season is a big ask.DannyDuberstein said:
I do wonder if we'll ever see the new look Mavs much. Partly a function of deciding you are ok with the core of your team being 32-33
agreed, but it's kyrie. He's a different dude. Now, if I'm his advisor...I'm saying bro....think about all the amazing charitable things you can do post-career with that money. But, he's a different dude and one who's been through the media ringer (mostly unnecessarily). I could see him wanting to have full control over his last few seasons, regardless of the paycheck. This is a dude who was happy to lose out on a lot of $ during covid after all.shack009 said:
I think he'd be insane to turn down $43 million for next season. Teams that are making runs at championships don't have $30 million to spend on a single player, let alone anything near what he would make if he opted in.
He has a player option for $43 million next season. Looking at projected cap spaces for next season, the only playoff contenders who have even close to $20 million available to spend are Houston and Memphis. Memphis wouldn't make any sense because of Ja and Bane. Houston will have about $19 million in cap space as of right now.DannyDuberstein said:
Definitely a risk. I'm not sure what the financials look like as far as what he will be able to get here vs elsewhere. Supposedly has a good relationship with AD at least. I think the chance he stays is very high, but the chance he bolts is not 0
Interesting speculation piece on AD's injury from "InStreetClothes" and certified athletic trainer, Jeff Stotts.
ICYMI: My attempt to make sense of everything we know about Anthony Davis' current injury issue. https://t.co/6rwCnZJJHz
— Jeff Stotts (@InStreetClothes) February 11, 2025
Quote:
The adductors are a muscle group located on the inside aspect of each of the lower extremities. Their name is derived from the motion they perform, a movement known as adduction. This occurs when the leg is pulled inward toward the midline of the body. The adductors are more commonly referred to as the groin.
. . .
Davis has a history of left adductor strains, dating back to his time in New Orleans. A low-grade groin strain forced him to sit Game 5 of LA's first-round contest against Phoenix in the 2021 postseason and limited him to just five minutes played in the season-ending loss in Game 6.
Davis' injury history is extensive and well chronicled, but he was able to play in a career-best 76 games just last season and had missed very little time this season before suffering an abdominal strain less than a week before being traded to the Mavericks.
. . .
Sifting through all the available information, including Davis' previous injury, the nature of how the latest ailment occurred, and the whispers of surgery, it seems possible that Davis' injury is more than a common adductor strain. AD could easily being managing a sports hernia or core muscle injury (CMI).
. . .
Given the numerous muscles in the area and complexity of any associated injuries , there have been attempts, most notably by renowned surgeon Dr. William Meyers, to get rid of the term sports hernia. Dr. Meyers, who has successfully performed surgery on numerous NBA players including Damian Lillard, Jrue Holiday, and Rajon Rondo, opts to use the term core muscle injury. The term eliminates the misleading hernia verbiage and correctly specifies the injury can occur to any of the many muscles that comprise an individual's core.
Conservative treatment, like rest and physical therapy, is often tried initially following a CMI injury. If the pain persists or the athlete remains functionally limited, surgery can be utilized. Surgery for a CMI involves repairing the injury site arthroscopically and is generally accompanied by a six-to-eight-week recovery window. The procedure has a high success rate and is often performed in the offseason or after a team has been eliminated from postseason contention. However, there have been cases of in-season surgeries that have allowed a player to return to action before the conclusion of the season. The average time lost in these cases is 24.5 games (~55 days or 7+ weeks). Only one of these cases occurred after January.
. . .
A "simple" adductor strain, even a more moderate Grade 2 strain, would likely be a best-case scenario. Since the 2005-06 NBA season, in-season Grade 2 adductor strains result in an average time lost of 14.8 games (34.2 days). A more complex injury, especially one warranting surgery, would increase that number and potentially end AD's season.
MW03 said:
Interesting speculation piece on AD's injury from "InStreetClothes" and certified athletic trainer, Jeff Stotts.ICYMI: My attempt to make sense of everything we know about Anthony Davis' current injury issue. https://t.co/6rwCnZJJHz
— Jeff Stotts (@InStreetClothes) February 11, 2025Quote:
The adductors are a muscle group located on the inside aspect of each of the lower extremities. Their name is derived from the motion they perform, a movement known as adduction. This occurs when the leg is pulled inward toward the midline of the body. The adductors are more commonly referred to as the groin.
. . .
Davis has a history of left adductor strains, dating back to his time in New Orleans. A low-grade groin strain forced him to sit Game 5 of LA's first-round contest against Phoenix in the 2021 postseason and limited him to just five minutes played in the season-ending loss in Game 6.
Davis' injury history is extensive and well chronicled, but he was able to play in a career-best 76 games just last season and had missed very little time this season before suffering an abdominal strain less than a week before being traded to the Mavericks.
. . .
Sifting through all the available information, including Davis' previous injury, the nature of how the latest ailment occurred, and the whispers of surgery, it seems possible that Davis' injury is more than a common adductor strain. AD could easily being managing a sports hernia or core muscle injury (CMI).
. . .
Given the numerous muscles in the area and complexity of any associated injuries , there have been attempts, most notably by renowned surgeon Dr. William Meyers, to get rid of the term sports hernia. Dr. Meyers, who has successfully performed surgery on numerous NBA players including Damian Lillard, Jrue Holiday, and Rajon Rondo, opts to use the term core muscle injury. The term eliminates the misleading hernia verbiage and correctly specifies the injury can occur to any of the many muscles that comprise an individual's core.
Conservative treatment, like rest and physical therapy, is often tried initially following a CMI injury. If the pain persists or the athlete remains functionally limited, surgery can be utilized. Surgery for a CMI involves repairing the injury site arthroscopically and is generally accompanied by a six-to-eight-week recovery window. The procedure has a high success rate and is often performed in the offseason or after a team has been eliminated from postseason contention. However, there have been cases of in-season surgeries that have allowed a player to return to action before the conclusion of the season. The average time lost in these cases is 24.5 games (~55 days or 7+ weeks). Only one of these cases occurred after January.
. . .
A "simple" adductor strain, even a more moderate Grade 2 strain, would likely be a best-case scenario. Since the 2005-06 NBA season, in-season Grade 2 adductor strains result in an average time lost of 14.8 games (34.2 days). A more complex injury, especially one warranting surgery, would increase that number and potentially end AD's season.
Seems like at best we're looking at grade 2 and a month out. If it was grade 1 and right back to it after the break, you'd think Nico and co would be leaning into that since they're being dragged through the mud. This isn't an ordinary injury silence kind of context given the climate.
Just repair it with surgery and do the same with Kyrie's back, or whatever needs to be done there. Get Lively and Martin completely right for next season.
Let Max Christie and O Max play 35 minutes a game the rest of the season.
Let Max Christie and O Max play 35 minutes a game the rest of the season.
So now our 2-3 yr window is a hard 2? If kai returns….
Man I hope not
Man I hope not
We were being held together with duct tape before the Gafford injury. It's impossible to win games when all of your big men are hurt. It's the most pragmatic thing to do, probably.zgolfz85 said:
So now our 2-3 yr window is a hard 2? If kai returns….
Man I hope not
And before people say "why trade for an oft-injured big man," Luka would not be able to carry a team with Lively, Gafford, Powell, and Maxi all injured. It's not possible.
Awesome.
Gafford wasn't injured before the trade, and the risk of AD injury when Luka was so close to coming back makes the deal even riskier. And we see now that Nico lost that bet. Do you think he regrets it yet? Or once people start just not showing up?shack009 said:We were being held together with duct tape before the Gafford injury. It's impossible to win games when all of your big men are hurt. It's the most pragmatic thing to do, probably.zgolfz85 said:
So now our 2-3 yr window is a hard 2? If kai returns….
Man I hope not
And before people say "why trade for an oft-injured big man," Luka would not be able to carry a team with Lively, Gafford, Powell, and Maxi all injured. It's not possible.
The Mavs made the WCF w a roster of Luka, Brunson, DFS, Dinwiddie, Maxi, Reggie Bullock, etc…shack009 said:We were being held together with duct tape before the Gafford injury. It's impossible to win games when all of your big men are hurt. It's the most pragmatic thing to do, probably.zgolfz85 said:
So now our 2-3 yr window is a hard 2? If kai returns….
Man I hope not
And before people say "why trade for an oft-injured big man," Luka would not be able to carry a team with Lively, Gafford, Powell, and Maxi all injured. It's not possible.
Conveniently forgetting Powell. And for some reason you threw in Maxi who was injured before the trade and will probably miss the rest of the season.
There were guys who could functionally play center.
There were guys who could functionally play center.
Just seems like the lower hanging fruit here was letting someone within the organization be the fall guy and leak to media that they're upset with Luka's weight etc more publicly so that we could reap the rewards (on the court and financially) of a Luka against the bad guy in front office revenge body tour. Instead we just let him go revenge body elsewhere.
Like they just don't exhaust their options before just throwing away a generational talent?
Like they just don't exhaust their options before just throwing away a generational talent?
You can almost just look at a fan section and if you wait long enough, a fan gets removed. pic.twitter.com/uw9OUClw4p
— Grant Afseth (@GrantAfseth) February 11, 2025
Make one of the most ridiculous trades in the history of sports, then punish fans for calling out your stupidity. Great way to keep the people engaged with the franchise.....
this is starting to get into serious wtf is the gameplan here for the biz side of things now. You've already got huge portions of your season ticket holders outraged and publicly showcasing the massive ticket increases and canceling for next year and all the other insanity.
I just continue to question the biz theory of this play at every turn. If the mavs were a stock, they'd be tanking and delisted soon.
I just continue to question the biz theory of this play at every turn. If the mavs were a stock, they'd be tanking and delisted soon.
just read the ralph strangis piece. nails.
Really does seem like they are going to burn it down so they can move the team.
They are just clueless. They've been divesting out of Vegas. If they wanted to move a team to Vegas, there were a number of other teams that would have been far more viable.
DannyDuberstein said:
They are just clueless. They've been divesting out of Vegas. If they wanted to move a team to Vegas, there were a number of other teams that would have been far more viable.
Or just pay way less to buy the expansion team that is inevitably coming to Vegas. It's why the theory makes no sense.
Luka's at 14ppg or 7points per chin
DannyDuberstein said:
They are just clueless. They've been divesting out of Vegas. If they wanted to move a team to Vegas, there were a number of other teams that would have been far more viable.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence
Guitarsoup said:
Luka's at 14ppg or 7points per chin
Weren't there posters on this site saying Luka looked skinny the other day? As if the Lakers wouldn't definitely photoshop Luka in their official photoshoot.
Def looks photoshopped just a bit, prob just widened him a little
Also, Luka is now tied with bronny at 14 pts on the all time Laker scoring list
No it doesntzgolfz85 said:
Def looks photoshopped just a bit, prob just widened him a little
He did not look like he was in great shape last night.
He definitely looked out of shape
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"Luka looks so skinny" (hes dressed completely in black)shack009 said:Guitarsoup said:
Luka's at 14ppg or 7points per chin
Weren't there posters on this site saying Luka looked skinny the other day? As if the Lakers wouldn't definitely photoshop Luka in their official photoshoot.
That too. The pictures they released of him in the uniform holding the ball for the promotional stuff were definitely photoshopped.
Those pictures looked like a brand new photographer took them. They were awful. Face looked way touched up and the lighting was awful.shack009 said:
That too. The pictures they released of him in the uniform holding the ball for the promotional stuff were definitely photoshopped.
Trippin over me leaving out Dyt lolshack009 said:
Conveniently forgetting Powell. And for some reason you threw in Maxi who was injured before the trade and will probably miss the rest of the season.
There were guys who could functionally play center.
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