Spurs should probably try and move Fox. Where there's smoke there is fire when it comes to Harper and his role. Spurs really need to avoid a James Harden-OKC situation here and they can't try to play both sides because it will backfire. Fox showed that he's a decent player but can't be relied upon. Not sure there will be many takers.

Maybe if Miami strikes out on some of those other big fish they would entertain a Fox for Herro swap.

The Spurs may be able to get away with it for one more season but I doubt it. Not when the noise is so loud. Harper will need to start next season. He knows how good he is and he deserves it. Zero percent chance he's going to be fine coming off the bench for much longer.

JMO. Spurs better be careful here.

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The Spurs may be able to get away with it for one more season but I doubt it. Not when the noise is so loud. Harper will need to start next season. He knows how good he is and he deserves it. Zero percent chance he's going to be fine coming off the bench for much longer.

JMO. Spurs better be careful here.

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Agreed. Harper was our second leading the scorer in the finals, and arguably our best player in the finals. He's not coming off the bench next season.

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The Spurs may be able to get away with it for one more season but I doubt it. Not when the noise is so loud. Harper will need to start next season. He knows how good he is and he deserves it. Zero percent chance he's going to be fine coming off the bench for much longer.

JMO. Spurs better be careful here.

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Agreed. Harper was our second leading the scorer in the finals, and arguably our best player in the finals. He's not coming off the bench next season.

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He's 2008 Manu next year

Here's you max salary PG:
Game 1: 3-13 23%
Game 2. 8-12 75%
Game 3. 4-14 29%
Game 4. 6-16 38%
Game 5. 3-15 20%
Total: 24-70 34%

That's such a loser performance on the biggest stage. Its hard to quantify just how awful he was. I think you could have replaced him with almost any other starting PG in the league and been better off.

His game is predicted on volume shooting and speed. He's not a great creator for his teammates and he's not a great 3pt shooter. I know his stats were better these finals but he's also not much of a defender. Why would we ride him out any longer if we can get out from under that contract? Best case he goes to the bench and can inefficiently score to his hearts content. Harper needs his minutes and certainly needs to close with Fox on the bench.

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The Spurs may be able to get away with it for one more season but I doubt it. Not when the noise is so loud. Harper will need to start next season. He knows how good he is and he deserves it. Zero percent chance he's going to be fine coming off the bench for much longer.

JMO. Spurs better be careful here.

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Agreed. Harper was our second leading the scorer in the finals, and arguably our best player in the finals. He's not coming off the bench next season.

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He's 2008 Manu next year

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I don't think it's the same situation as Manu. Harper ripped the deserving starting/closing role from Fox, someone 8 years older than him, on the highest stage. And the entire team saw it.

Harper has clear superstar potential just after his rookie season and is a highly touted pick. The spurs have to think about what's best for the team and Harper long term. Having a disgruntled star next to Wemby is not something I want.

Manu is my favorite all time player and Harper's ceiling is a lot higher. And he's already ahead of mid 20s Manu.

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08 Manu stepped back from starter role and led the team is PPG. Made all NBA. I think that's the usage Harper gets next year.

I would have taken Conley in 4 out of the 5 games. And what I said was that Ayo and Conley would be a better option than Fox.

As would a finals of Harper with increased minutes and Conley spelling him for keeping minutes and hitting big 3s like he did consistently against us

Also, compare salaries. Imagine that we use that salary for a good PF. Whatever Fox did to help Castle is easily replaced by year 2 Harper and year 3 castle growth.

Well Windhorst just said we're remaining committed to Fox so I think everyone just needs to reach the "acceptance" stage of the Fox situation.

Is Ayo going to I command more than MLE? I f it could get him for that then I would trade Fox to Minnesota for Naz Reid and sign Conley for vet minimum ((Barnes role) we would be in far better shape than keeping Fox. Minnesota could get their pick back as compensation for taking Fox off our hands.

I think Ayo would pair well with our guards and Reid would provide some toughness next to Wemby..

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I would have taken Conley in 4 out of the 5 games. And what I said was that Ayo and Conley would be a better option than Fox.

As would a finals of Harper with increased minutes and Conley spelling him for keeping minutes and hitting big 3s like he did consistently against us

Also, compare salaries. Imagine that we use that salary for a good PF. Whatever Fox did to help Castle is easily replaced by year 2 Harper and year 3 castle growth.

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No you wouldn't have taken Conley in that series over Fox. You know how you listed out how awful Fox's FG% was against the Knicks? It was still better than Conley 's FG% for the season.

Conley would get played off the floor faster than Harrison Barnes

The salary is sunk cost. It is part of the deal in getting him. We didn't want to trade for him when we did, we wanted to wait until the off-season. We almost ended up with Garland, which would have been way worse.

If the Spurs had been able to wait, we probably end up with JJJ aiming we still get #2. It didn't work out that way, but we are still in a fantastic position going forward even though we likely have to eat another year or two of Fox's salary.

If we could trade him for OG, obviously we would do it, but we aren't going to bend over and take 3 cents on the dollar because some fans think 33% shooting 39yo Mike Conley is better

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Is Ayo going to I command more than MLE? I f it could get him for that then I would trade Fox to Minnesota for Naz Reid and sign Conley for vet minimum ((Barnes role) we would be in far better shape than keeping Fox. Minnesota could get their pick back as compensation for taking Fox off our hands.

I think Ayo would pair well with our guards and Reid would provide some toughness next to Wemby..

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You realize Minnesota has to actually want to do this trade as well right? You think PATFO can just jedi mind trick them into doing this?

It would be idiotic to give a rival in your conference the one piece they need to potentially dominate while simultaneously making your team weaker against that same team you just traded that player to. You can keep typing this out but it's not going to happen.

Again, it's time to move to the "acceptance" stage that Fox isn't going anywhere.

They might for their pick back. Then they could try to deal Fox. They ain't winning much with all that money in Reid and no picks.

I actually would for the finals, because that means Mitch is forced to play Harper. It couldn't have been much worse.

Again, nobody is saying Conley is better at 39, but he absolutely wouldn't have been any worse that series.

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Is Ayo going to I command more than MLE? I f it could get him for that then I would trade Fox to Minnesota for Naz Reid and sign Conley for vet minimum ((Barnes role) we would be in far better shape than keeping Fox. Minnesota could get their pick back as compensation for taking Fox off our hands.

I think Ayo would pair well with our guards and Reid would provide some toughness next to Wemby..

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You realize Minnesota has to actually want to do this trade as well right? You think PATFO can just jedi mind trick them into doing this?

It would be idiotic to give a rival in your conference the one piece they need to potentially dominate while simultaneously making your team weaker against that same team you just traded that player to. You can keep typing this out but it's not going to happen.

Again, it's time to move to the "acceptance" stage that Fox isn't going anywhere.

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Yeah, just like the last time it was brought up, Naz for Fox doesn't work financially and they don't want to move Naz. Randle is awful and no one really wants him, including Minnesota..

I think Ayo is a RFA, too

And I love the argument by the way. Our guy Fox is so bad and overpaid that there is no way the Wolves would do it! Really makes the case for Fox doesn't it.

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I actually would for the finals, because that means Mitch is forced to play Harper. It couldn't have been much worse.

Again, nobody is saying Conley is better at 39, but he absolutely wouldn't have been any worse that series.

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You are seriously delusional. No backups so the kiddos have to play 45mpg means a sweep

Stop while you are behind. That's ridiculous

Ayo appear Unrestricted. I woulf take on Dante if required to make the money work. Not Randle.

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And I love the argument by the way. Our guy Fox is so bad and overpaid that there is no way the Wolves would do it! Really makes the case for Fox doesn't it.

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It's not even about how "good" or "bad" Fox is, I just doubt the Wolves want to move a player who is a good matchup against the Spurs and Thunder, much less trade him to one of them. Also, as Guitar has pointed out multiple times, they money doesn't even work out.

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I actually would for the finals, because that means Mitch is forced to play Harper. It couldn't have been much worse.

Again, nobody is saying Conley is better at 39, but he absolutely wouldn't have been any worse that series.

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You are seriously delusional. No backups so the kiddos have to play 45mpg means a sweep

Stop while you are behind. That's ridiculous

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It's a hypothetical but I do think the Spurs would have won at least one game. Bryant would have had to get more run too. Not the worst thing.

Again, not talking about the entire season, but for those 5 games an old Conley wouldn't have been any worse.

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I actually would for the finals, because that means Mitch is forced to play Harper. It couldn't have been much worse.

Again, nobody is saying Conley is better at 39, but he absolutely wouldn't have been any worse that series.

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You are seriously delusional. No backups so the kiddos have to play 45mpg means a sweep

Stop while you are behind. That's ridiculous

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It's a hypothetical but I do think the Spurs would have one at least one game. Bryant would have had to get more run too. Not the worst thing.

Again, not talking about the entire season, but for those 5 games an old Conley wouldn't have been any worse.

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One of the biggest problems for us was that we were only six deep and our bench gave us nothing outside Harper.

So your solution is to replace one of those six players with someone worse than replacement level.

We needed more bench help, not less

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Ayo appear Unrestricted. I woulf take on Dante if required to make the money work. Not Randle.

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DDV and Naz still doesn't work for Fox. It's just not possible in addition to them not wanting to do it.

They aren't going to want a swap back that bad. Sac owns the pick in 31 now.

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I actually would for the finals, because that means Mitch is forced to play Harper. It couldn't have been much worse.

Again, nobody is saying Conley is better at 39, but he absolutely wouldn't have been any worse that series.

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You are seriously delusional. No backups so the kiddos have to play 45mpg means a sweep

Stop while you are behind. That's ridiculous

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It's a hypothetical but I do think the Spurs would have one at least one game. Bryant would have had to get more run too. Not the worst thing.

Again, not talking about the entire season, but for those 5 games an old Conley wouldn't have been any worse.

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One of the biggest problems for us was that we were only six deep and our bench gave us nothing outside Harper.

So your solution is to replace one of those six players with someone worse than replacement level.

We needed more bench help, not less

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We only won one game. Maybe we get swep, maybe not. I think you could play this game with most the starting PGs and a handful of backups and come to a similar conclusion. It's close because Fox was that bad.

I know the Spurs won't trade Fox but I think they should. I know you are convinced it will be early to move him in 2 years but I'm not so sure. His role will likely decline here and he will lose a step on speed when he hits 30. What happens if nobody wants him in 2 years? That mac contract might go down as Bradley Beal level if we lose Harper or Castle due to it.

All I do is Nguyen said:

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The Spurs are emerging as a potential third team for Jaylen Brown in Giannis Antetokounmpo trade talks, with a deal that would send the No. 20 pick to Milwaukee with multiple future picks, per @GrantAfseth

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CFB/NFL guy with 151 followers. Seems legit.

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Ayo appear Unrestricted. I woulf take on Dante if required to make the money work. Not Randle.

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DDV and Naz still doesn't work for Fox. It's just not possible in addition to them not wanting to do it.

They aren't going to want a swap back that bad. Sac owns the pick in 31 now.

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Would Reid and an Ayo sign and trade work?

Feel like moving Reid or Ayo or both in a couple years would be easier than Fox, plus you get the PF help you need now and another slasher and outside shooter.

You are being so dramatic. Fox made the biggest mistake (outside the refs bc OG fouled him) but the losses were for a large number of reasons.

Shamet outscored our entire bench outside Harper and Shamet played like ****
Lack of actual plays on offense, no movement, not enough pressure on the rim
We didn't target KAT on offense until game 5 to take advantage of him being foul prone
When we got KAT out, we didn't take advantage
Sweeney had us over switch rather than hang Wemby back
What we knew before: we had no PF and this was always going to be a tough matchup
Our coaches letting Fox take so many pullups from three
Victor being passive on offense

There were a lot of factors that contributed. And nearly all can be addressed in the off-season

I'm only saying the Spurs aren't trading Fox because they aren't going to trade him at his lowest value ever. Players like him tend to lose a step around 32, not 30. The only thing that will bring his value up is time. He's more palatable with two years than 4. It was always an overpay, but the trade was an underpay. We got him cheaper than Bane to Orlando and less than half price of Bridges to NYK. That contract is the poison pill for dealing with Klutch

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I appreciate all the off-season move predictions and enjoy reading the wishful possibilities and scenarios, I for one am still too sad to think about the off-season. I'm still heartbroken because I know we were capable, we had it… i still can't move on

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Ayo appear Unrestricted. I woulf take on Dante if required to make the money work. Not Randle.

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DDV and Naz still doesn't work for Fox. It's just not possible in addition to them not wanting to do it.

They aren't going to want a swap back that bad. Sac owns the pick in 31 now.

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Would Reid and an Ayo sign and trade work?

Feel like moving Reid or Ayo or both in a couple years would be easier than Fox, plus you get the PF help you need now and another slasher and outside shooter.

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If you want overpay Ayo, yes. But again they don't want to do that
We aren't going to do that.

There are also better targets out there. Why are you so hyper fixated on Naz?

I think you are underselling what a solid PF would mean to this team. And how big a jump Harper will take. Fox should get at most the 4th most shots next year. Not sure his stock is ever going up.

It's going to be hard to build that depth we need once those max contracts kick in. I would rather trade Fox for 2-4 players that equal his salary, that would be easier to move off later and solve our depth.

Theoretically an Ayo, Dante, Reid for Fox and a first round pick. I think that's the kind of trade the Spurs should look to do. Nothing dramatic about it. We signed max contract for someone that's our 4th best player. That's both a blessing and a curse. Just think Spurs would be smart to explore those options before big salaries kick in.

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Ayo appear Unrestricted. I woulf take on Dante if required to make the money work. Not Randle.

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DDV and Naz still doesn't work for Fox. It's just not possible in addition to them not wanting to do it.

They aren't going to want a swap back that bad. Sac owns the pick in 31 now.

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Would Reid and an Ayo sign and trade work?

Feel like moving Reid or Ayo or both in a couple years would be easier than Fox, plus you get the PF help you need now and another slasher and outside shooter.

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If you want overpay Ayo, yes. But again they don't want to do that
We aren't going to do that.

There are also better targets out there. Why are you so hyper fixated on Naz?

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I just think Wolves may consider it. They are on the descend. Reid is one of many PFs that would help us. Ayo would give us alot more than Fox imo. I'm sure there are other deals. Just think it would be smart to trade Fox for a PF and depth.