Beltran to Yanks...details coming.

3 for 45 for Beltran.

Wow. That will be one fragile ass outfield

Jeff Wilson now tweeting Texas wasn't in strong on Nap fwiw.

Come on Rangers...we need another bat at least and hopefully another pitcher.

Trust in JD!

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And he didn't even get a qualifying from Texas last year. Wow.

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I think much of that had to do with him wanting to play Catcher and them wanting him to move to 1B\DH.

Now that he is a 1B\DH... he has more value.

he didn't have any problem taking a one year deal to strictly play 1B last year for the Sox. No reason for him to "want" to play C with a degenerative hip condition. Rangers messed up by not giving him the QO

beltran, ellsbury, ichiro, wells, gardner, soriano.

where are the mfy gonna play all these guys?

Soriano to DH...trade Ichiro...Wells to beer vendor?

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he didn't have any problem taking a one year deal to strictly play 1B last year for the Sox. No reason for him to "want" to play C with a degenerative hip condition. Rangers messed up by not giving him the QO

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beltran, ellsbury, ichiro, wells, gardner, soriano.

where are the mfy gonna play all these guys?

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wells is getting paid zero by the Yankees next year, he'll ride the pine with Ichiro. I think they'll try and DFA Ichiro anyways

These contracts are completely insane.

If Ryan Braun, Miguel Cabrera, Melky Cabrera, et al has taught us nothing... It assures us that PEDs are totally worth the risk and they are back to stay.

When looking at this FA class, during the season and after... I felt there was Cano and then a bunch of slightly above average early-mid 30 guys that'd be looking for one last score for 3-5 year deals. There wasn't much I was interested for the Rangers, although they have some holes.

I feel the Rangers have been prudent and disciplined.

Seems like $15M/yr is pretty much the standard for aging hitters on the back-side of an above average career.

$10M/yr for a SP that has had success at any time in their career (See Scott Feldman).

Yanks are now up to about $173M with 13 players (my estimate on Ells), counting Wells and Kuroda.

Boston at $150M, counting Nap as 1 of the 14.

Rangers with 14, at $102M.
Feliz, Ross, Cotts, Ogando, Moreland, Scheppers, Profar, Tepesch - all Arbs and Serfs will be on the team... so 22 players. I expect Wilmer Font to make the team in ST, as well.

Glad Feldman scored some coin... but remember when everyone was complaining about his $4.4M salary.

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he didn't have any problem taking a one year deal to strictly play 1B last year for the Sox. No reason for him to "want" to play C with a degenerative hip condition. Rangers messed up by not giving him the QO

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You mean... the 1 year deal he signed to play 1B AFTER he had signed a 3yr/$39M contract to play catcher?

Yeah, he didn't have any problems taking that after he failed his physical. And yes... there is no reason for him to "want" to play Catcher after it was announced he had a degenerative hip... which was disclosed AFTER he had signed the 3yr deal to play catcher.

So yeah... the Rangers really screwed up not giving him a QO to play catcher... a position the Rangers and Napoli knew he was unlikely to be physically capable of playing.

Show me one piece of evidence that the 3 year deal he originally agreed to was for him to play C. It was never boston's intent to have him play C at any point. They had Salty and signed david ross to a 2 year deal to back him up before offering napoli anything.

they had nobody at 1B, they didn't want to re-sign loney and had no 1B prospects ready to make the jump. first base was their only focus when it came to napoli last year, on the original 3-year offer and the eventual 1-year incentive-laden deal

and if the rangers had given him the QO like they should've, boston never would've picked up the phone on him, because they value their draft picks so much (a bunch of other teams would've probly felt the same way).

with the QO attached to him, it would've likely allowed the rangers to let the market on him dry up like the nationals did with Laroche and get him back on a shorter-term deal with a lower AAV than what the QO would've been.

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Boston at $150M, counting Nap as 1 of the 14

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If you're getting this number from baseball reference, that 134 number before Napoli includes the estimates for all their Arb-eligible players (so way closer to the full roster than 14). If they eventually re-sign Drew or another backup IF plus a right-handed OF to compliment JBJ in CF, that number climbs some, but they'll still easily be able to slide in under the luxury-tax limit.

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These contracts are completely insane.

If Ryan Braun, Miguel Cabrera, Melky Cabrera, et al has taught us nothing... It assures us that PEDs are totally worth the risk and they are back to stay.

When looking at this FA class, during the season and after... I felt there was Cano and then a bunch of slightly above average early-mid 30 guys that'd be looking for one last score for 3-5 year deals. There wasn't much I was interested for the Rangers, although they have some holes.

I feel the Rangers have been prudent and disciplined.

Seems like $15M/yr is pretty much the standard for aging hitters on the back-side of an above average career.

$10M/yr for a SP that has had success at any time in their career (See Scott Feldman).

Yanks are now up to about $173M with 13 players (my estimate on Ells), counting Wells and Kuroda.

Boston at $150M, counting Nap as 1 of the 14.

Rangers with 14, at $102M.
Feliz, Ross, Cotts, Ogando, Moreland, Scheppers, Profar, Tepesch - all Arbs and Serfs will be on the team... so 22 players. I expect Wilmer Font to make the team in ST, as well.

Glad Feldman scored some coin... but remember when everyone was complaining about his $4.4M salary.

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the rangers, who are paying beltre 17M, yu and prince fielder a boat load of money, are always fiscally prudent. They're like the rays

Forgot they're paying a SS who can barely hit the ball over an outfield, 15+M a year for the next who knows years.

What would the Yankees pay for Elvis right now?

I'm glad I don't have to find out

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with the QO attached to him, it would've likely allowed the rangers to let the market on him dry up like the nationals did with Laroche and get him back on a shorter-term deal with a lower AAV than what the QO would've been.

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That just doesn't seem like the way the Rangers roll.

And...

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/2012/12/03/red-sox-agree-three-year-deal-with-mike-napoli/IStALIT42YlAMfexMNCPEJ/story.html

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The Red Sox want Napoli to be their first baseman and part-time catcher, as well as provide a boost to their offense.

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Which is what you say RIGHT before you trade one of your catchers.

http://blogs.thescore.com/mlb/2012/11/12/red-sox-may-corner-the-market-on-catchers-with-pursuit-of-mike-napoli/

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A potential Napoli/Ross tandem with the former pencilled into some sort of time share at first base could allow the Red Sox to carry a third catcher, more likely Lavarnway, and pursue a trade for Saltalamacchia.

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Why would Boston pursue a trade of Salty, if he is their C? Remember this was when Salty had finished a .227 season. He has a .246 average. So... don't go telling me after his 1st decent season with a .273 BA that he was all entrenched like a Molina, at backstop. Dude was living on a short leash as a Cather, himself.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121102&content_id=40154710&c_id=tex

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The Rangers still have interest in re-signing Napoli, but weren't interested in paying him $13.3 million if he accepted the offer.

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Let's not pretend that what is was.

Once the Red Sox got the medical report on Napoli... information the Rangers were already aware of...

And what did Boston agree to? An offer like the QO you suggest the Rangers should have committed to?

Nope!

http://www.boston.com/news/local/new-hampshire/2013/01/22/red-sox-officially-sign-mike-napoli-for-year/m1KBqgNpFtM5bf55ekm7nN/story.html

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The contract Napoli signed on Tuesday is for $5 million with possible bonuses that could take its value to $13 million.

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If he was worth the $13M guaranteed payment for 1 year... why would Boston not have ponied up? Because prior to the 2013 season... there was a huge risk playing Napoli at Catcher... less risk at 1B, but enough to get him less than half guaranteed on an open market, that you think the Rangers should have committed to up front.

HTH.

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If you're getting this number from baseball reference,

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Got them from COTs.

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the rangers, who are paying beltre 17M, yu and prince fielder a boat load of money, are always fiscally prudent. They're like the rays

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Beltre went .315\30HRs. At $17M... that's a steal.

They are paying Darvish the same annual amount ($10M) the next 3 years, that Scott Feldman just signed for. Darvish was #2 in Cy Young voting. Let's see how much he signs for after his tenure in Texas is up. I mean, $10M isn't the $23M CC will get, in 2014. Yeah... 32 year old CC with his 4.78 ERA is a steal compared to the inflated 2.83 ERA the aging 26 year old Darvish performed.

Fielder... I've said my opinion about that deal.

It was their intent to play him primarily at 1B. They had no other first basemen on their roster and there was virtually no trade market last off-season for Salty unless they wanted to move him for pennies on the dollar. I'm sure they explored the possible market on him, but they do the same thing for every player on their roster not named Pedroia or Ortiz.

And all of the incentives that were included in his 1-year deal were very easily attainable. He reached all the performance-based ones by the ASB, with only the games played one to be reached later on.

and if they truly had wanted him to occasionally catch, the risk of having him do so on a 1-year deal is significantly less than it would've been on the original 3-year offer. But it was never mentioned once, even in ST

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Forgot they're paying a SS who can barely hit the ball over an outfield, 15+M a year for the next who knows years.

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Which is funny when you realize the Yankees just paid $12M for a guy who hit exactly 1 HR and went .190 in 2013, to play that exact position.

Face it... the Yanks got punked, now that they have a self-imposed salary limit. They thought Andrus would be available to get them past Jeter, and they thought nobody would compete with them for Cano.

They paid Ellsbury 7yrs @ $21.8M average ($152.6M), and then limit the offer to Cano for seven-year and $175M ($25M), thinking NOBODY would be dumb enough to go higher and longer.

Now they sit with a 40-year old SS and a Util guy at 2B who hit .225 and .235 the past 2 seasons. Both on 1 year contracts.

I think not going after Cano for as much as Seattle was willing to pay, was the right thing for the Yanks. Don't get me wrong there. Add Kuroda as another 1-year player.

I'll have to look at the FAs for next year, but the Yanks don't look good for 2013, and have serious holes coming for 2015. Because Jeter, Johnson and Kuroda will all likely not be back in 2015. But hey... A-Rod might.

DM and DA make this thread unreadable

It's DA's fault for repeatedly taking pot shots at the mfy and Red Sox between his ridiculously long, pie in the sky musings of what he thinks/wants the rangers to do.

he probably knows nobody (even fellow ranger fans) reads those anymore, and is just desperate for someone to respond to him.

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I like what Texas has done so far. They have tons of flexibility heading into the winter meetings. They are not bound on having to make any desperate moves just to fill a hole and they have the trading chips to pull of a major deal if they chose to. With having Rios for another year and Choice not quite ready I could see the Rangers signing Cruz or Choo. A top of the order pitcher is another area to keep an eye on.

Sorry DKM if you think posting that the Red Sox attendance figures showing a 94.4% attendance rate is offensive and a flame.

Vinny - That is the thing I like about where the Rangers are this off-season. No pressure to sign a Berkman as a high risk\reward. They have revenue space to do so, but shouldn't feel obligated.

I would certainly keep an eye on Seattle, though...

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Sorry DKM for posting the Red Sox attendance figures showing a 94.4% attendance rate, which is completely unrelated to the topic of this thread. This was an obvious and pathetic flame and troll because i had nothing of value to contribute but wanted to post something anyway

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FIFY

Rumors Cruz turned down 5/75 from the Mariners. If true, THANK YOU!!! I wouldn't want anything near that. Just horrible.

Both reporting it's the DBacks also in on Choo.

Wonder what happened to DET being in.

JD and the Rangers are doing an aweful lot of "nope, not going there" in regards to more moves right now, have to wonder how serious that is vs. playing to the media and other teams