texasaggie2015 said:ttha_aggie_09 said:
So is there any chance we sign Framber to a one year deal?
I would be speechless.
Framber in our rotation would make me care a lot less about our infield logjam, which I already don't think is a big deal
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Framber in our rotation would make me care a lot less about our infield logjam, which I already don't think is a big deal
texasaggie2015 said:ttha_aggie_09 said:
So is there any chance we sign Framber to a one year deal?
I would be speechless.
Yeah, I was wondering if the ship officially sailed or not. I mean if you could sign him to a one year $25-30MM deal, would you even want to do it? I think we could use him but not sure I would pay a headcase like him that kind of money
I know it would never be public but I can't help but wonder if when teams are doing their due diligence Dana is spilling the beans about the BS they've had to deal with that comes along with Framber.
His mental shortcomings and extra baggage are no secret so I imagine other interested teams are inquiring and GMs talk.
I'd love to be a fly on that wall listening to those phone calls.
His mental shortcomings and extra baggage are no secret so I imagine other interested teams are inquiring and GMs talk.
I'd love to be a fly on that wall listening to those phone calls.
tjack16 said:
Are we trying to fight the chase? Or chase the fight? Or fight a guy named Chase?
I originally read it as "Chas the fight" and thought to myself, wait, didn't we let Chas go?
Mr.Ackar07 said:tjack16 said:
Are we trying to fight the chase? Or chase the fight? Or fight a guy named Chase?
I originally read it as "Chas the fight" and thought to myself, wait, didn't we let Chas go?
Dusty thought it said "fight the Chas" and got really excited
Ag_07 said:
I know it would never be public but I can't help but wonder if when teams are doing their due diligence Dana is spilling the beans about the BS they've had to deal with that comes along with Framber.
His mental shortcomings and extra baggage are no secret so I imagine other interested teams are inquiring and GMs talk.
I'd love to be a fly on that wall listening to those phone calls.
That would be collusion by Dana, so I highly doubt that's happening
SpaceCityAg05 said:
They have not gained the QO pick yet - that only happens when another team signs him.
But it is correct that the Astros would lose the opportunity to gain a comp pick if they bring him back in any capacity.
First he screws his team out of a playoff spot; now he's gonna make em lose the pick.
Mr. Awesome Time said:SpaceCityAg05 said:
They have not gained the QO pick yet - that only happens when another team signs him.
But it is correct that the Astros would lose the opportunity to gain a comp pick if they bring him back in any capacity.
First he screws his team out of a playoff spot; now he's gonna make em lose the pick.
Isn't it crazy that with all of the injuries, had Framber just pitched like an average major league pitcher in the second half, we would have been in the playoffs.
iBrad said:Mr. Awesome Time said:SpaceCityAg05 said:
They have not gained the QO pick yet - that only happens when another team signs him.
But it is correct that the Astros would lose the opportunity to gain a comp pick if they bring him back in any capacity.
First he screws his team out of a playoff spot; now he's gonna make em lose the pick.
Isn't it crazy that with all of the injuries, had Framber just pitched like an average major league pitcher in the second half, we would have been in the playoffs.
Yep pretty much every time we rolled him out there in a August or September game last year it was a guaranteed loss. Except of course the very last one when it didn't matter and he actually pitched well
He threw a fit because the Astros wouldn't give him what he wanted.
You don't think GMs call each other to talk off the record and gather information as part of their due diligence before signing a guy?
That's not collusion.
That's not collusion.
Ag_07 said:
You don't think GMs call each other to talk off the record and gather information as part of their due diligence before signing a guy?
That's not collusion.
I'm sure the union would disagree with you on that point. Pretty sure they've filled grievances over things like that in the past
I don't think it happens as often as you think to be honest with you. Word gets around. You don't want to ruin relationships with agents.
If an agent founds out you were keeping his guy from getting a contract, he likely won't be doing you any favors moving forward.
Not saying it doesn't happen - but it likely doesn't happen often.
If an agent founds out you were keeping his guy from getting a contract, he likely won't be doing you any favors moving forward.
Not saying it doesn't happen - but it likely doesn't happen often.
Agents would make a deal with a guy who murdered his mother so I don't know how much of an issue that is.
But team's don't need Dana to tell them Framber is mentally unstable. It's painfully obvious and I'm sure their own scouts have even more info we don't see from watching games.
But team's don't need Dana to tell them Framber is mentally unstable. It's painfully obvious and I'm sure their own scouts have even more info we don't see from watching games.
There are a lot more egregious scumbags than Framber out there getting paid plenty.
I know it's an easy mark to bag on him for the incident last year and a bad second half, but i put myself in the unpopular opinion camp that this team is going to badly miss him this year. He's been the rotation's constant for the past 6 years
I know it's an easy mark to bag on him for the incident last year and a bad second half, but i put myself in the unpopular opinion camp that this team is going to badly miss him this year. He's been the rotation's constant for the past 6 years
So, throw us a bone on some other knucklehead Framber incidents
MaxPower said:
Agents would make a deal with a guy who murdered his mother so I don't know how much of an issue that is.
I think there's a little truth to both.
I'm sure Dana doesn't have to say anything. A team can have someone, such as one of its trainers, call a friend or counterpart in the Astros clubhouse to get the same scoop- maybe better and more unfiltered.
Dana and Joe get a check minus for the way they handled the Framber situation last year
their approach failed
try a tougher approach next time -- the soft approach didn't work
their approach failed
try a tougher approach next time -- the soft approach didn't work
CharleyKerfeld said:
There are a lot more egregious scumbags than Framber out there getting paid plenty.
I know it's an easy mark to bag on him for the incident last year and a bad second half, but i put myself in the unpopular opinion camp that this team is going to badly miss him this year. He's been the rotation's constant for the past 6 years
I don't think it's an unpopular opinion. I think most agree this team will miss when he pitches well. He's a legit #1 when he's locked in.
What soured me was the not once, but twice he aired out publicly frustrations on defensive alignments. Then he follows it up with hitting his catcher, an actual teammate and battery mate, out of frustration.
That isn't just a scumbag, thats a clubhouse cancer. Those guys destroy locker rooms and chemistry. Chemistry is super important at the professional level. It is much more rare for teams to have sustained success when they don't get along.
So yeah, going to miss his pitching, but pain is a part of surgery.
To add: maybe it's all overblown and perception from thr outside looking in.
CharleyKerfeld said:
There are a lot more egregious scumbags than Framber out there getting paid plenty.
I know it's an easy mark to bag on him for the incident last year and a bad second half, but i put myself in the unpopular opinion camp that this team is going to badly miss him this year. He's been the rotation's constant for the past 6 years
I don't put Framber on the level of Carlos Gomez as far as scumbags go. Dude won us a title and gave us a shot the previous year when LMJ got injured at the worst possible time. Sometimes character flaws (I know it's more complicated with him) are part of what make athletes great.
As exciting and unexpected as the Imai signing was, he won't be near the kind of workhorse Framber was. Maybe Framber catches more of the blame that the offense should have since it's really up to them for this team not to fail again.
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To add: maybe it's all overblown and perception from thr outside looking in.
I think it's safe to say this is not the case.
Otherwise, he would've been signed to a lucrative long-term deal by now.
Dude is a legit ace. One of the best LHP in the game. Reasonable deduction would indicate this is the reason teams are reluctant to give the guy that kind of contract.
Scumbag =/= psychopath. And intentionally throwing at his catcher puts Framber squarely in the psychopath category. That set of the Venn diagram has very few elements.
Beat40 said:
To add: maybe it's all overblown and perception from the outside looking in.
All I'll say is that if anything it's probably underblown.
I believe I downplayed it throughout the year - but some things I've heard recently tell me I was admittedly way off base on that one.
Framber's agent is in a tough spot with zero leverage. I assume some mid-market team will take a one-year flyer on him and hope the change of scenery works wonders.
The problem for that mid-market team is if it works out he very likely will jump to a bigger market club for more money (but probably no more than a 2 year deal if that).
I can't see any team giving him a multi-year deal going forward.
The problem for that mid-market team is if it works out he very likely will jump to a bigger market club for more money (but probably no more than a 2 year deal if that).
I can't see any team giving him a multi-year deal going forward.
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texasaggie2015 said:Beat40 said:
To add: maybe it's all overblown and perception from the outside looking in.
All I'll say is that if anything it's probably underblown.
I believe I downplayed it throughout the year - but some things I've heard recently tell me I was admittedly way off base on that one.
Yeah, I added that kind of as a "benefit of the doubt," but my read on it last year is it was bad. That's why I called it a cancer. If it boiled over to hitting a catcher straight in the chest with a fastball in a game, it had to be pretty bad inside.
Oh absolutely.
Who are the clubhouse leaders for this team?
Re. the Framber psycho/scumbag moves he made last year, we think we know Joe and Dana handled it pretty softly and it didn't work, clearly...who are the ones that should've sat his ass down and told him what was up?
Altuve doesn't strike me as the "hard conversation" guy, he seems pretty reserved to my uninformed eye and more of a "lead by example" person. Correa I can see doing it, guys like Springer and JV when they were here I could see doing it.
Re. the Framber psycho/scumbag moves he made last year, we think we know Joe and Dana handled it pretty softly and it didn't work, clearly...who are the ones that should've sat his ass down and told him what was up?
Altuve doesn't strike me as the "hard conversation" guy, he seems pretty reserved to my uninformed eye and more of a "lead by example" person. Correa I can see doing it, guys like Springer and JV when they were here I could see doing it.
Correa
Not sure if he was on the team when all that went down, but now that he's starting the season with the club I have no doubt he's the vocal leader in that clubhouse.
Hell he's already made a couple public comments about stuff he noticed since joining the club at the deadline.
Not sure if he was on the team when all that went down, but now that he's starting the season with the club I have no doubt he's the vocal leader in that clubhouse.
Hell he's already made a couple public comments about stuff he noticed since joining the club at the deadline.
I think Correa is probably the biggest clubhouse leader we have. I wonder if it's just coincidence that Framber's performance went downhill when Correa came back. Possible that he started calling him out on his **** and Framber finished the year with an IDGAF attitude?
Ag_07 said:
Correa
Not sure if he was on the team when all that went down, but now that he's starting the season with the club I have no doubt he's the vocal leader in that clubhouse.
Hell he's already made a couple public comments about stuff he noticed since joining the club at the deadline.
CC was definitely on the team when Framber hit Salazar. I think I remember he threw a chair in the clubhouse that night. Or at least that was reported.
Didn't really matter what they tried. Framber is a different specimen. There was no lack of effort.
bodaciousbood14 said:
Who are the clubhouse leaders for this team?
Re. the Framber psycho/scumbag moves he made last year, we think we know Joe and Dana handled it pretty softly and it didn't work, clearly...who are the ones that should've sat his ass down and told him what was up?
Altuve doesn't strike me as the "hard conversation" guy, he seems pretty reserved to my uninformed eye and more of a "lead by example" person. Correa I can see doing it, guys like Springer and JV when they were here I could see doing it.
I don't think we know at all what Dana and Joe tried and did't try to do. There is a MLBPA and an owner to deal with. It seems soft from the outside, but who knows what actually happened.
Hell, when Joe and Dana asked about the in-game situation Caesar could have covered for Framber and confirmed it was just a mix up. Can't give discipline for that if they are both going with that story.
texasaggie2015 said:
Didn't really matter what they tried. Framber is a different specimen. There was no lack of effort.
When Framber is gone and your contacts end up further from the org, we're going to need a tell all from you!
I must admit I want to know what last year looked like with Framber fairly badly.
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