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hah, as I'm reading this, Down - Bury Me In Smoke comes on my internet radio station.


It's def. tricky. Proud, if you slam 12 beers on sunday, pass out at 6pm and sleep it off, and then monday afternoon, work decides to randomly test you, and you still have traceable amounts of alcohol, is that fair that they fire you?

Like sun said, of course it is their right, but that is a feasible case involving alcohol, and I don't really think that would be fair. Marijuana on the other hand stays in your system for weeks...

in the hypothetical world where alcohol stayed in your system for several days, and employers were known for testing and firing if positive, that would dramatically change the landscape of social drinking.
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I just don't see employers ever treating weed like alcohol, and I support that. I've worked for multiple companies that allow the occasional drink at lunch & work-hour functions & of course off-site/after-hour functions..... I highly doubt my boss will ever spark up his employees at a business lunch.

Consider the NFL/NBA/other sports. Weed can get you in trouble; drinking is not that big a deal if you're not driving.
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Ags win, where the f*** are we partying??
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Hell yeah!!

Any South Denver Aggies wanna meet up? I am contemplating heading downtown, but I'm not thrilled about a 45-minute train ride.
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The more I think about it, the more I realize I want make it past 11pm
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Anyone going to watch SHSU?
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Not at the goat. I have this bar right my my place that said they'll put it on a projector if I bring my laptop and an HDMI input. They have Comcast interwebs so I should be able to espn3 it.
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Anyone bored tonight is welcome to join me at Old Chicago downtown for pub quiz, possiy followed by bar crawl. My team bailed. Wearing a blue tie and khakis if I don't get back on here.
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Hey guys!

I just moved to the Denver area in the last few weeks. Right now, my roommates and I are staying outside of town (around Longmont) but are looking for a place near the airport/downtown.

If anybody has any good recommendations, that would be great.
Also, any favorite things to do in the area - we're still getting situated but want to start enjoying the city! Thanks in advance!
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I'm fairly new as well. I assume you meant downtown or near airport, because the airport is pretty for from downtown. I don't even know if there is much out near DIA. It's kind of in the middle of nowhere. 16th street mall can be fun. 15th and Market area has a lot of bars. The light rail is a pretty easy way to get around. Hiking is fun, but will damn near kill you if you just came from low elevation. Maybe someone who has been here longer can be a little more helpful. Welcome!

[This message has been edited by Tauchi21 (edited 11/25/2012 5:50p).]
Maggie_2010
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Thanks so much! And yep, we're trying to look out by the airport because we work out of DIA but we're attempting to find a happy medium so that we're not completely out in the middle of nowhere. Thanks for the tips, hope you're enjoying it here as well!
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If you don't mind paying the toll (or maybe your employer pays it?) you can live anywhere off E-470 and you are max 25 min. to the airport. Like the southeast corner (aurora/parker). Nice area, lots of bang for your buck. It will cost about $6 to the airport each way though.. but there is NEVER traffic on it, because it's not a commuting route, it's 75 mph, and there is no stopping for tolls. (tag or license plates)

You could also live on north side near E470, but there is no light rail up there to downtown. Light rail is along 25 corridor from downtown south to lone tree, as well as santa fe, but that's getting far from airport.
Or you could stay close to town, plenty areas to choose from, but a little less for your money.


Welcome! There is no shortage of stuff to do. Find a trail if you like to bike/walk. They are everywhere. Or take a quick drive to the mountains for skiing or summer activities. The weather is great. Just about this entire month has been in the 60s. So many people think it's all snow here in the cold months. Far from it!

[This message has been edited by 62strat (edited 11/26/2012 10:01a).]
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I would recommend living around downtown, City Park, Cherry Creek, or even Stapleton (though it's more of a 30s with kids area) if you're going to work at DIA. It's a 20-25 minute drive from downtown to DIA, assuming you avoid rush hour traffic. Another option is DTC (Denver Tech Center), which is 25 minutes from DIA via 225. DTC has several beers and restaurants, is 15 minutes from downtown, has great parks and open spaces, and is a good spot for mid-late 20s that are looking to still have fun but not go clubbing every night.

Some of the near downtown/near downtown neighborhoods to consider are: LoDo, Wash Park, Cherry Creek, Highlands, Cap Hill, Congress Park, and Cheesman Park.

As far as activities, Denver is loaded with things to do. The outdoor scene is great, with tons of awesome parks, bike trails, hiking, golf, and much more. Also, there are probably 15 skiing options within 90 minutes. Live music is good, and there are plenty of festivals throughout the year (especially Summer).

Some specific activities I recommend, based largely on Winter right around the corner:
-Drinks at the Hyatt downtown near the Convention Center (go to the bar on the top floor).
-Cherry Creek: this is an awesome shopping/eating district surrounded by one of the nicest neighborhoods in Denver. Very upscale. There is a mall, as well as many, many more shops and restaurants.
-16th Street Mall: ride the free bus and check out bars, restaurants, and shops.
-Great bars near Coors field and going from Coors/LoDo toward 14th street.
-Larimer Square (Larimer & 14th-15th) has great restaurants/shops, and it looks great with Christmas lights over the street.
Maggie_2010
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Great! Thanks so much for all of the information guys! We started looking out in Stapleton but the prices were a little high out there (we're new-hire flight attendants so we're basically broke, lol) but we did love it out there. I've heard Cherry Creek is a good are too so we will definitely look out there as well. The search continues! Thanks again for all of the help!
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We just moved to Parker and my boyfriend drives to the airport every Monday and home Friday evening. His commute is very easy. We're enjoying the town but have found that it's too easy to use distance to downtown Denver as an excuse to not get out and explore the city more. We have however found plenty of fun things around here, Lonetree, Aurora etc. to do on the weekend though and it's been a great move. Congratulations and Welcome!
Maggie_2010
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Yep! that's part of our problem being out in Longmont - we make excuses not to get out and do things because we're so far away from everything! We are definitely wanting to enjoy being a little bit closer to the city and having some fun! Thanks for the suggestions!
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Yep! that's part of our problem being out in Longmont

Hah, well you can't compare parker or lone tree to Longmont. The former is 15-05 miles from downtown (and on the light rail), longmont is like 40 miles.

To the poster that says distance to downtown from parker is discouraging.. You must not be fom a BIG city hah. I'm from houston, my old house was basically in the 'parker' (the furthest suburb) of houston, but was 32 miles from DT.
The spot we're scoping out in Parker is only 20 miles.. quite a difference. I love how you can live in the burbs, but still be so close to DT.

But you're right, there are many things to do in addition to downtown, especially outdoor related activites. Chatfield and cherry creek (and the soon to be Hess reservoir), waterton canyon, red rocks area. But a weekend trip downtown is just a 25 minute drive.

[This message has been edited by 62strat (edited 11/28/2012 9:21a).]
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Hah, well you can't compare parker or lone tree to Longmont. The former is 15-05 miles from downtown


LoneTree/Parker are 20+ miles from downtown.

If you're in the Longmont area, I would go to Boulder before Denver downtown for evenings out. Much closer with many fine eating/drinking establishments.

[This message has been edited by Sooner Born (edited 11/30/2012 9:42a).]
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sooner.. that was a typo, 15-05 should have been 15-25. Figured it was obvious enough.

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LoneTree/Parker are 20+ miles from downtown.

My office is 19 miles from my house in Lone Tree... so, in your face!

The people of Lone Tree resent you for lumping us in with Parker. But seriously, I can get to work in 22 minutes if I miss traffic. Most of Parker takes forever to get to compared to about any other suburb. It takes 15-20 minutes on the other side of 25 (from Lincoln) to get to a friend's house in Parker. Parker has some cool neighborhoods (and I could live on Saddle Rock golf course near Parker), but you're looking at 35-45 minutes from downtown assuming no/light traffic. If you live in the part of Prker that is close to 25/Lincoln or E-470/25, then it is not that bad.

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I will say this about Parker- our friends that live there are tight with most of their neighbors & have some huge block parties. I like that.

I've found people in Parker to be the most Texan-like, which is both bad and good. People seem to care way too much about what you do/how much you make/what you drive/how big your house is. On the positive, I've met some pretty cool guys that like to drink beer and eat BBQ.
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proud, yeh we went with parker, but it's 'west' parker if there is such a thing. Right near ridgegate pkwy and chambers. just 3-4 miles from 25, and it's just fields (for now)

But I work at arapahoe and 25, so it's less than 10 miles.
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I'm moving to Denver in January and can't be more excited!

Glad to see there some other Ags that'll be in the area.
Hank Mardukas
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It's a great place


Anyone doing the ugly sweater run on Saturday? I was thinking about wearing a sip sweatshirt but couldn't brig myself to do it
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I was thinking about wearing a sip sweatshirt but couldn't brig myself to do it


that my friend, would only win an ugly sweater contest in aggieland, haha
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Wife and I may be making the move to Denver in the next 6 months. Offer is there, just have to decide it is truly what we want. How was the transition for most of you? We are both right at 30. No kids (maybe in 2 years if we move to Denver after we get settled in). I love cold weather and love the fact that it never gets scorching hot. Was the increased cost of living / state income tax noticeable? I see on some places it is not that far different and then I see some sites where they make it seem like a mini-New York. Also, if any of you moved from Houston or Dallas, where you concerned about the economy and have your concerns been alleviated after seeing the economy first hand? My only way to gauge is my Company's office in Denver is 1/10 the size of the Dallas office (100 vs 1000) and the number of forturne 500s is similarly favorable to the DFW area. May have another post in the future about living. Saw some conversation earlier in the thread. We will most likely want to live in or around downtown to truly enjoy the city. Sorry for the rambling but lots of things running through my mind.
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Fwiw:

Cost of living can be quite the increase. Look a housing prices and be prepared.
Look at what it costs to register your vehicle.

The economy in Denver typically lags a bit behind the rest of the country. But I do think things are okay.

Realize people are a little different here. The hospitality and family feel of Texas is few and far between.

Now that I have been negative, realize that this is the greatest place on earth. It's Colorado for gods sake. Ski, hike, drink beer. I love Colorado and I met my wife here. You only love once and you might as well give it a shot.

You can always go back, but I doubt you will.
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planoaggie, you sound exactly like wife and me. We were 31, no kids. We both up and left old jobs behind. I got one within 6 weeks, she got one within 9-10, but a completely different field, (from HS counseling to HRIS at major retailer). However, we are making half of what we made our last year in Houston. But again, as soon as she gets back in HS counseling, that will get her back to where she was, and in 2-3 years I'm confident I'll be making 80-90% of what I was in Houston.

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Cost of living can be quite the increase. Look a housing prices and be prepared.


Cost of living outside of house, I think it's exactly the same. Gas, groceries, bars/restaurants, entertainment.. all the same as Houston. Yes car registration is maybe $300 instead of $75 in Houston.. who cares, just once a year.

On the house price, don't let the statement above give you jitters. Yes the price is higher here for same house, but you'll quickly find your monthly payment is not. Simple explanation is property taxes, and lack thereof here in CO.

Prop taxes are 0.5% to 1% here. WAAAY less than Houston.

Do some quick math and you'll quickly see. For a quick reference, our new home we're about to buy here is 3.25X the price as our Houston home (120K to 390K), but our monthly payment is only 1.6X more ($1200 to $1900). The new house is also 3900 sqft when we finish basement, twice as big as our 1750 sqft houston house. Same size/age/relative location home here would have been say $250K, and would have been cheaper per month than houston home.


As you can see that is a huge disparity when comparing the increases.. so DO NOT let sticker shock get you nervous. Do the math.
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Thank you for the replies and would still love to get anyone else's persepective. We are going to actually try and squeeze in a trip the weekend just before Christmas and sprint all over Denver and surrounding areas and also enjoy some good food and beer in the evenings (hoping for little to no snow so we can cover a lot of area). If we move, we are going to live downtown for a minimum of 1 year and probably 2 (not sure I feel comfortable buying in state after less than 2 weeks of visiting) but we also want to check out some surrounding suburbs and get a feel for what they are like. Looking online, we are not overly impressed with what we see and that is taking our current house X 1.5 and even X 2. I think part of it is just the style of the homes. I try to remdind myself the house we are currently living in is one I nixed just looking at online and as soon as we pulled up it was far and away our favorite after months of looking.
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The houses def. are a little different. Very little brick is used (houston is mostly brick of course), but there are basements.

A basement in an old house can be hit or miss; could be low ceilings and overall kind of dungeon-y looking. But a newer house in burbs, the basement is totally useable living space and same quality/feel/openness as main floors. Also, further out, you'll be likely to get a 3-car garage, which may or may not be important to you.

Remember, Denver suburbs are only 10-20 miles from city center; most of Houston suburbs are 30+ miles. So that's a big difference to consider. We just bought out in Parker and our house is 21.8 miles from downtown, and parker is def. one of the farther suburbs. We're close to light rail which is a great option. We got an oversized 3 car garage and very bright/open garden level basement backing up to a kid park..

Once kids are in the picture, the go-to seems to be highlands ranch. It's like the woodlands of houston, but again, only 15 miles from downtown; Half of the woodlands distance. (and a pretty short light rail ride) Tons of trails/parks, good schools, 4 huge recreation centers included in HOA..

of course, our house like I said is 3.25X the price of Houston home. If we only went 1.5X ($185K), we'd have a dump that would need a lot of work.

Remember the math, don't just pick a house price out of thin air based on what you owned/paid in Houston, you just can't do it. Plus rates are 3% right now.. so that helps.

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The houses def. are a little different. Very little brick is used (houston is mostly brick of course), but there are basements.
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The houses def. are a little different. Very little brick is used (houston is mostly brick of course), but there are basements.

I've heard a few visiting Texans express concern over why there aren't more brick houses here... like it's a big deal. I think it's funny. And yes, basements are great. In general, I like houses a lot more here than in Texas. The average/median home is probably 3 levels: 2 floors and a basement. Yards are nicer (at least from April-October). The views and scenery are MUCH better.
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Offer is there, just have to decide it is truly what we want. How was the transition for most of you? We are both right at 30. No kids (maybe in 2 years if we move to Denver after we get settled in).

The transition was awesome. Moving from TX to Denver is a huge upgrade, especially after spending 5 years in Houston. My wife and I were 29 when we moved, no kids. We loved Denver from day one (actually, I visited here in 2007 and was obsessed about moving here for 2+ years). We now have an 18-month old and another one on the way, and I can’t think of a better place to raise kids.
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I love cold weather and love the fact that it never gets scorching hot.

The weather is outstanding. Denver gets a decent amount of snow, but it usually melts pretty quick because it’s sunny 320 days a year. There are tons of 50-75 degree days and 35-50 degree nights in Fall and Spring. Even when it gets “hot” in the summer (like 90* & 20% humidity), you can drive an hour to the mountains and the temps drop 15-20 degrees.

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Was the increased cost of living / state income tax noticeable?

A little, but not much. Property taxes are about 1.5% less here, but state income tax is 4.6% or so. A hypothetical of 175k income & 300k house price = 4,500 less on property taxes & 8,000 more on state income tax…. So, it costs 2% more of income considering only prop taxes and state income. Of course, this % will fluctuate as you vary the income and house price. And, I’d expect to pay 30-40% more for a house here. There are plenty of nice houses for 260-325k in the suburbs; it will generally cost more to live in the city but you can still find some deals there too.

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Also, if any of you moved from Houston or Dallas, where you concerned about the economy and have your concerns been alleviated after seeing the economy first hand?

I’m in oil/gas, and the industry is doing well. With that in mind, I don’t have a great pulse for how other industries are doing. I will say a couple things about the job market in Denver: (1) Denver has a very high % of college-educated people so there is solid competition, and (2) Denver is a really good size- if you network, do a good job, and treat others well…. You will have plenty of open doors and opportunity for upward mobility.

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We will most likely want to live in or around downtown to truly enjoy the city. Sorry for the rambling but lots of things running through my mind.

Great idea. Some of the neighborhoods to consider are: Cherry Creek, City Park (or even Park Hill, if you don’t mind kicking down doors and rescuing people from fires- like one poster on this thread has done), Wash Park, Congress Park, Cheesman Park, LoDo, Capitol Hill. There are tons of good eats and bars, parks, festivals, and always something to do.

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Realize people are a little different here. The hospitality and family feel of Texas is few and far between.

This can go both ways. People here tend to be a little less in your face, confrontational, and judgmental, and they also tend to not gossip nearly as much as Texans. More of a “what you see is what you get”. People here are much more laid back. People care a lot more about where you ski/what kind of beers you like/what you do on the weekends than where you work/how much do you make/how big is your house. In other words, I really enjoy the lack of pretentious people. It may be an adjustment for some, especially if you’re of the mindset that TX is the greatest place ever. If you have an open mind and enjoy all that CO has to offer, I think you’ll enjoy it quite a bit. I was very ready to get out of TX, and like I expected, I plan on living in CO forever.

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Now that I have been negative, realize that this is the greatest place on earth. It's Colorado for gods sake. Ski, hike, drink beer. I love Colorado and I met my wife here. You only love once and you might as well give it a shot.

You can always go back, but I doubt you will.

I agree 100%, other than “only loving once” like my pal db said.

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Cost of living outside of house, I think it's exactly the same. Gas, groceries, bars/restaurants, entertainment.. all the same as Houston. Yes car registration is maybe $300 instead of $75 in Houston.. who cares, just once a year.

I agree. Just for comparison (because I haven’t been to a TX grocery store in a long time), I pay around $2.50-$3.00 for a gallon of milk ($2 last week) at King Sooper/Costco/Sprouts, get apples for $.79-$1.79/pound depending on variety, get choice Rib Eye from Costco for $6-8/pound. Sprouts also usually has BlueBell for $5-6.


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On the house price, don't let the statement above give you jitters. Yes the price is higher here for same house, but you'll quickly find your monthly payment is not. Simple explanation is property taxes, and lack thereof here in CO.

I agree here also. I think property taxes were around 2.25% in the Houston burbs, and they are less than 1% here. I think you can expect to pay 30-45% more for a home here than in Houston/Dallas. However, there are exceptions. We paid less than $90/square foot in a nice suburb 20 minutes from downtown, and we really like our house (in great shape, lots of upgrades). There are many nice suburbs here. However, there are also several nice neighborhoods surrounding downtown- some are fairly affordable & some you’re looking at 400-500k for a 1,500-1,800 sf bungalow.
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proud, I don't care much about lack of brick, but I can see the viewpoint. Brick will last forever and is maintenance free (no not so much for siding), and in Houston a house w/o any brick is usually just really cheap/in a cheap neighborhood. So that's the perception when a texan comes here: just a bunch of cheap houses. Not realizing, brick just isn't a commonly used material.. a regional thing I guess.

I didn't know you are oil/gas, so am I.. what do you do?

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