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BenTheGoodAg said:

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Aggie09Derek said:

He's the OG course guy and hard to call him a scammer since his thing is hard to argue with - spend less and save more.

His advice is sound but what he has in common with scammers is that the way he got so rich was by selling courses, not doing the things he says in the courses.

Again at least the core message is solid.

I know a dentist that is an absolute trainwreck with his money and could definitely benefit from following Dave's plan. He's almost 40 and I would guess his net worth is negative. His big beef with Dave is that he sells his curriculum for a profit, so out of spite he won't follow any of his advice. This guy is like $330k in student loan debt (ie money he paid for an education), but he thinks paying $100 for a financial class is somehow a scam.

I guess the point being, I don't think it is scammy for Dave Ramsey to have made money on his curriculum if you agree that his plan and the information he teaches is actually helpful for a lot of people.

Not defending everything DR does, but I've got no problem with him getting rich doing what he's doing.


Dave does practice what he preaches though. He lives debt free. No mortgage on his house, no notes on his cars or credit cards.

The money initially all came from his best selling books. Later he branched out into the radio program and courses. He also made and lost and made again a lot of money in real estate.

And you can pick up most all his advice for free on the web and by listening to his show. Heck, his book Total Money Makeover is all you really need if you want the main gist of his message.
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I'm curious how many here make more than seven figures per year?

What percentage do you save if you do?

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Ramsey is so ignorantly stubborn about debt that he publicly stated he would refuse a 10 year $1Billion interest free loan, completely irresponsibly asinine take
Cyp0111
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I save 70%+ of take home.
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EliteZags said:

Ramsey is so ignorantly stubborn about debt that he publicly stated he would refuse a 10 year $1Billion interest free loan, completely irresponsibly asinine take


His audience is the irresponsible. Anyone that is not should ignore him.
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EliteZags said:

If your net worth is above zero, Dave Ramsey has zero to offer you

I disagree with this. If you are financially prudent, there is always something good that can be taken away from one of these 'financial gurus'.

Heck... I even pulled a couple of nuggets out of Kiyosaki's ridiculous pyramid book.
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Dr T and the Women said:

I'm curious how many here make more than seven figures per year?

What percentage do you save if you do?



For lots of entrepreneurs almost all of it stays in the business. Basically just taking distributions to pay taxes and reinvest the rest.
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Someone brings thread to top by posting their success.

Bickering about other totally non-related to thread topics ensue.

Rinse and repeat for over a decade.
Never change TexAgs B&I, the consistency is nice.
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aggiebq03+ said:

Someone brings thread to top by posting their success.

Bickering about other totally non-related to thread topics ensue.

Rinse and repeat for over a decade.
Never change TexAgs B&I, the consistency is nice.


Saying Dave Ramsey's name is like lobbing a hand grenade.
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aggiebq03+ said:

Someone brings thread to top by posting their success.

Bickering about other totally non-related to thread topics ensue.

Rinse and repeat for over a decade.
Never change TexAgs B&I, the consistency is nice.


Also need to add the argument about if your house should be included in your net worth.
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Daytona22 said:

aggiebq03+ said:

Someone brings thread to top by posting their success.

Bickering about other totally non-related to thread topics ensue.

Rinse and repeat for over a decade.
Never change TexAgs B&I, the consistency is nice.


Also need to add the argument about if your house should be included in your net worth.

We really to need to up our game. $1.47MM is the new threshold based on inflation. And if you're under 59 1/2 then you can't count retirement assets.
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Unless they are Roth contributions!!

With all these new rules looks like I need to recalculate
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cgh1999 said:

Daytona22 said:

aggiebq03+ said:

Someone brings thread to top by posting their success.

Bickering about other totally non-related to thread topics ensue.

Rinse and repeat for over a decade.
Never change TexAgs B&I, the consistency is nice.


Also need to add the argument about if your house should be included in your net worth.

We really to need to up our game. $1.47MM is the new threshold based on inflation. And if you're under 59 1/2 then you can't count retirement assets.


Long ago I advocated that we should have a $5M threshold for posting on this thread. Would weed out all of the trash and lolpoors.

We could then have a proper conversation around the latest issue of Robb Report.
TXTransplant
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Everyone who is married should cut their number in 1/2, since thats all that's really yours anyway.
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The worst part is the last page should be mostly parody but people actually fight for these ideas ..
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TXTransplant said:

Everyone who is married should cut their number in 1/2, since thats all that's really yours anyway.


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aggiebq03+ said:

Someone brings thread to top by posting their success.

Bickering about other totally non-related to thread topics ensue.

Rinse and repeat for over a decade.
Never change TexAgs B&I, the consistency is nice.


I'd love to see how well the activity in this thread corresponds with stock market peaks. I bet it's strongly correlated.
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bagger05 said:

Aggie09Derek said:

He's the OG course guy and hard to call him a scammer since his thing is hard to argue with - spend less and save more.

His advice is sound but what he has in common with scammers is that the way he got so rich was by selling courses, not doing the things he says in the courses.

Again at least the core message is solid.

Yeah he's probably worth $500 million I'd bet. Almost all of that is from the Ramsey Brand. Not his advice. I think he's good for financial idiots, especially those that have racked up a lot of debt. I disagree with him on some other things he teaches somewhat on investing, expected returns and also his take that literally no one can handle a credit card so you shouldn't have one. I'd agree with the morons that call into his show with mountains of debt yes they shouldn't own one as they obviously don't have the discipline for it, but for people like me and others, I totally get a ton out of using a credit card to pay for almost everything and collect points. Not everyone is the same Dave I always think.
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Is it really even possible to not have and use a credit card nowadays?
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Debit card
Dr T and the Women
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Aggie09Derek said:

Debit card


It is easy to get 3% cash equivalent back on rewards cc


So why would you not?
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Dr T and the Women said:

Aggie09Derek said:

Debit card


It is easy to get 3% cash equivalent back


So why would you not?

Less secure than CCs or used to be. I won't use mine unless it's an absolute emergency.
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YouBet said:

Dr T and the Women said:

Aggie09Derek said:

Debit card


It is easy to get 3% cash equivalent back


So why would you not?

Less secure than CCs or used to be. I won't use mine unless it's an absolute emergency.




Sorry should have been more clear

Use cc is what I meant

Rewards are worth it
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Right. Just saying that is what people should use who can't handle a CC.

Ramsey disciples also claim a study that shows people spend more when using CC's vs they would using cash or even debit cards. Less "pain" felt when using your credit card.

The delta on that apparently is more than rewards.

I'm sure that is true for a lot of folks and more people should probably follow Ramsey type principles.
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Aggie09Derek said:

Right. Just saying that is what people should use who can't handle a CC.

Ramsey disciples also claim a study that shows people spend more when using CC's vs they would using cash or even debit cards. Less "pain" felt when using your credit card.

The delta on that apparently is more than rewards.

I'm sure that is true for a lot of folks and more people should probably follow Ramsey type principles.
I am not sure anyone could argue they would spend the same monthly if every dollar spent was cash denominated. I would guess discretionary spending would drop in half for most.
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Cyp0111 said:

I save 70%+ of take home.

Really? Wow.
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Question: I realize this is anecdotal, and every situation will be different but that's ok.

Once you reached the 1MM mark, how long did it take you to double that? And then double that again?

It's taken me 5 years to go from 1MM to 2 (2020-2025). I realize that there are tons of factors and variables in this, but I'm curious and just want to hear different experiences.

All answers are appreciated, but my specific situation is a corporate cube-dweller maxing out 401k, HSA, Roth, IRA, etc., as well as a modest personal investment account. No stock options, windfalls, or real estate sales. Home equity excluded from that number. I'm asking about growth of cash savings/investments.
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I'm not there yet, but it's normally thought that your investments should double every 7-10 years. When you add in your additional contributions, 5 years seems about right.
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Impossible. You sure you are not a tech bro?

I like your question though. I would imagine the 2nd million takes significantly shorter than the first obviously.

I'm at the point now when I look at financial calculators. My new contributions have a negligible impact on the estimated value amount at retirement age.
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txaggie_08 said:

I'm not there yet, but it's normally thought that your investments should double every 7-10 years. When you add in your additional contributions, 5 years seems about right.


FINC 101 (maybe it was 341?) at TAMU taught the rule of 72. Years x ARR doubles at 72.

Since 2020 sp500 has been at 14% ARR so should have done a little more than doubled in the last 5 years.
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TXTransplant said:

Question: I realize this is anecdotal, and every situation will be different but that's ok.

Once you reached the 1MM mark, how long did it take you to double that? And then double that again?

It's taken me 5 years to go from 1MM to 2 (2020-2025). I realize that there are tons of factors and variables in this, but I'm curious and just want to hear different experiences.

All answers are appreciated, but my specific situation is a corporate cube-dweller maxing out 401k, HSA, Roth, IRA, etc., as well as a modest personal investment account. No stock options, windfalls, or real estate sales. Home equity excluded from that number. I'm asking about growth of cash savings/investments.

I was 45 when hit $1million net. 50 when hit $2MM, 52 hit 3MM and just hit 4 and I'm 54 will be 55 in two mos.
I hit $1MM in 401k at 48. Then changed jobs and rolled that to IRA both regular and ROTH. Already had ROTH as well. Total retirement is right at $3MM in a little less than 7 years time.
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TXTransplant
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Congrats...that's awesome! And it's exactly the kind of answer I was looking for.

I posted in another thread...going through a very tough time professionally right now, and I'm trying to work through what my options might be if my current plan for retirement crashes and burns. So, I'm trying to get an idea of what the next few years could look like.
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crossed 1 early-mid last year, and both my taxable and retirement portions are within single digit % gains of each getting there this year
very small portion of the jump came from income, still ~60% indexes tho my tech heavy positions have been juicing in this market
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Well once you hit critical mass in your retirement of around $500,000 that's when compounding really takes effect. You'll make much more or possibly lose in a down market but generally make more in just compounding than what you can contribute. I read your post and you said you have $2MM. So if you have to back off contributing for financial reasons you'll be fine. A 20% up market is 400k. I realize we could have a bear and you could lose (on paper ) a lot but just stay the course it will go up over time.
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YouBet said:

cgh1999 said:

Daytona22 said:

aggiebq03+ said:

Someone brings thread to top by posting their success.

Bickering about other totally non-related to thread topics ensue.

Rinse and repeat for over a decade.
Never change TexAgs B&I, the consistency is nice.


Also need to add the argument about if your house should be included in your net worth.

We really to need to up our game. $1.47MM is the new threshold based on inflation. And if you're under 59 1/2 then you can't count retirement assets.


Long ago I advocated that we should have a $5M threshold for posting on this thread. Would weed out all of the trash and lolpoors.

We could then have a proper conversation around the latest issue of Robb Report.

LOL! Great post
When we were down, and we would come to Lubbock, you people would treat us like kings.-Paul Stanley of KISS
 
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