Even if "only the tournament matters" is true, its a bad decision making barometer. Lets say we beat Houston last year, does that change future expectations for this year in any meaningful way? Do you believe NCAA wins are predictive of future NCAA wins and vice versa? If so then why are a coach's wins at a previous stop not predictive?

Like many weird modes of thinking, it almost seems like this comes from the recruiting forum mindset. I believe that recruitniks in a lot of ways believe that you have to win games to recruit better (their ultimate goal) rather than vice versa.

It is something that I too believe to be true through observation, but for a different reason than they do, I think its true because recruiting services are bad at evaluating players except through seeing what schools are recruiting them.

JJxvi said:

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Even if "only the tournament matters" is true, its a bad decision making barometer. Lets say we beat Houston last year, does that change future expectations for this year in any meaningful way? Do you believe NCAA wins are predictive of future NCAA wins and vice versa? If so then why are a coach's wins at a previous stop not predictive?

Like many weird modes of thinking, it almost seems like this comes from the recruiting forum mindset. I believe that recruitniks in a lot of ways believe that you have to win games to recruit better (their ultimate goal) rather than vice versa.

It is something that I too believe to be true through observation, but for a different reason than they do, I think its true because recruiting services are bad at evaluating players except through seeing what schools are recruiting them.

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The problem with it IS the tournament. College basketball viewership is actually pretty terrible sans the tourney. It can be argued that it's the only thing that matters. I don't agree with that thinking, but the vast majority of 'fans' only care about this tourney.

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As to your last point, we aren't going to move our highest paying and loyal season ticket holders to put students who don't regularly show up on the sidelines. I do agree they would be well served to convert some areas to suites if it is doable. They've sent out surveys before and have looked at it, so I'm guessing there either wasn't enough interest or it was cost prohibitive.

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We have reseated at Kyle and moved some serious donors and loyals folks (lettermen) out of their sideline seats. You have to have some concessions made to make it happen, but the broader point is you have to think outside the box to create an environment to get people to come.

Course, I am on record as stating we need a new arena, 9k seats, on the grounds where Koldus is now. but you have to get the students on one sideline stacked up against the lines. I believe just that drives excitement. It's worth the gamble IMO.

JJxvi said:

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Even if "only the tournament matters" is true, its a bad decision making barometer. Lets say we beat Houston last year, does that change future expectations for this year in any meaningful way? Do you believe NCAA wins are predictive of future NCAA wins and vice versa? If so then why are a coach's wins at a previous stop not predictive?

Like many weird modes of thinking, it almost seems like this comes from the recruiting forum mindset. I believe that recruitniks in a lot of ways believe that you have to win games to recruit better (their ultimate goal) rather than vice versa.

It is something that I too believe to be true through observation, but for a different reason than they do, I think its true because recruiting services are bad at evaluating players except through seeing what schools are recruiting them.

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No, especially not now in this ever changing roster world…the predictive nature still applies to football, just not as much as before. It's simply a way to tie a bow on the season. For a mid major, I think making the tournament means success and conference championships mean a ton more. Winning a game in the tournament for a mid major is a majorly successful season. For a non blue blood major university, you should be making the tournament at least 75% of the time and to be considered a serious program blue blood or not, I think you need to make the sweet 16 every 3-4 years. The coaches and players can say whatever they want, but they view it the same way. And, while it's an opinion I share, I take a lot of this from podcasts with former college hoopers, media, analysts, coaches, etc. They start to give the "serious rounds" names like sweet 16 etc for a reason. There's no special names for round of 64 or 32 and first 4 is a marketing gimmick to distract people from realizing it's not the real thing.

Getting bounced in the second round after telling us the tournament isn't important and trying to throw Aggies under the bus as racist is enough for me. He is not going to build the relationships needed for NIL or big fan buy-in, and he is o scheme is not going to make up for a supossed shortfall in NIL funds.

The program is not going to dump him, but I believe he is done with A&M. Maybe he strings it along another year if he has to.

He has it an easy as possible. 0 expectations to make it far in the dance and get paid 4.5 mill a year to do so. Why on earth would he leave?

Writing is on the wall. If he doesn't leave on a mid-high note, he will be fired in 2 years and close to out of the profession.

He doesn't have NIL, we are to believe, so he will have a real bad squad next year, and be on a hot seat the following year.

Instead of that, he can bow out or find another job now and reset his clock for another 4-6 years of employment

Ya, that's how this works. Also, no.

Buzz is about buzz. That's fine if you deliver and he doesn't

Heineken-Ashi said:

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I've been frustrated plenty, but Buzz is a great man and a great coach. I hope he stays. I want to see him try to build the next team to be more than just a down and dirty bunch. I want to see more guys that can compete in the paint and not be undersized or underskilled against traditional centers. It would be really nice to have a big that has some outside range to keep defenses honest. And on the outside, obviously more shooting and less erratic bowling into the paint without a plan. It's possible to marry our hard-nosed grit style with a little more individual skill.

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In the 6 years Buzz has been here, when has he done this?
Maybe I'm wrong, but his teams have essentially been the same. Great hustle and defense. Terrible shooting

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It's Buzz. He loves to hear himself talk. Wants everyone to know he's an intellectual. And to be fair, the guy has a **** ton of great wisdom... But he wants to make sure you know that. You can almost see the gears turning in his head when they get the 30 second clip heading into halftime on what the team needs to better... "what can I say that sounds really deep and is not at all an actual answer?"

He's not a Bruce Pearl who caters to the fans -- he caters to his players. Which is great, but it also creates a "us against the world block everything else out" type scenario and that's not going to make people want to open up their pocketbooks.

Regarding NIL I go both ways on it... Is there a clear-cut failure in our solicitation of donors? Absolutely. I was there Day 0 pointing out the soliciting the Longhorns were doing for NIL from a crowd-sourcing standpoint and how we were falling way behind. It doesn't seem like we now even have our footing. I'm not sure what it's like now, but it sure looked like we went cheap on infrastructure early and gave it to a group that said "yeah, we can do this!" and we got lapped by those who treated it like a real business.

On the other hand, Buzz has given several indicators that it's not lack of NIL funding that is holding his roster back. We gave a guy double-digit minutes for 5 years that was replacement level or below for much of it. That's a coach not doing everything in his power to build a championship roster. We run an offense that seemingly revolved around doing the opposite of what the game typically asks (taking good shots). There's far more evidence this "predictable shots" approach was not one of necessity but one of design. And if you've heard Buzz for 5 years that absolutely isn't far-fetched.

If he stays... and I hope he does (though I'm not worried if he leaves), do I think he'll adapt? Sure... I can't fathom he's going to continue to lean into this "predictable shots" that has us as one of the worst in shooting % in the nation year over year. At worst I think he'll at least acknowledge it's short-comings and adapt. I hope.

But I'll put it this way... As an Aggie fan if I give $100,000 to football I know it's going to talent. If I give $100,000 to baseball I know it's going to talent. But if I give $100,000 to basketball, I'm not convinced it's not going to go to a role player that "fits the mold".

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That is pretty well put

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Mr.Milkshake said:

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Writing is on the wall. If he doesn't leave on a mid-high note, he will be fired in 2 years and close to out of the profession.

He doesn't have NIL, we are to believe, so he will have a real bad squad next year, and be on a hot seat the following year.

Instead of that, he can bow out or find another job now and reset his clock for another 4-6 years of employment

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Can't believe I am engaging here, but please provide actual concrete backup to your assertions. Actual interviews, quotes, etc. to back this stuff up. Or stop.

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What do you have to say now?

Mr.Milkshake said:

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Texas_Ag11 said:

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Mr.Milkshake said:

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Writing is on the wall. If he doesn't leave on a mid-high note, he will be fired in 2 years and close to out of the profession.

He doesn't have NIL, we are to believe, so he will have a real bad squad next year, and be on a hot seat the following year.

Instead of that, he can bow out or find another job now and reset his clock for another 4-6 years of employment

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Can't believe I am engaging here, but please provide actual concrete backup to your assertions. Actual interviews, quotes, etc. to back this stuff up. Or stop.

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What do you have to say now?

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People that didn't think there was a good chance he was leaving after this season had their head in the sand. I hoped he would stay but the dude has a well established pattern.

The thread title comment he made is frustrating. I seriously hate the "team bus 1" mentality. Why can't it be A&M vs everyone, not "these 12 players " vs everyone? The buy-in and community building would be huge.

I've been all in with this team since the beginning, but his comments like the one above makes it feel like the players and coach don't care how much we try to support the team. We're all "haters" trying to hold them back.

Love someone asking for "quotes" from a coach who wants to leave. Very dumb and I've seen it over and over.