How many people actually know someone who has or had coronavirus?

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9:13a, 4/2/20
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I know 4 so far

My best friend is having awful symptoms but has not crossed the hospitalization threshold yet. (Late 30s)

Two are married in their late 60. One is hospitalized but not on a ventilator, the other was briefly admitted but decided to ride it out at home

Last one is a friend's uncle. He fell ill and died in the first big wave of deaths in Italy. He was in his 80s
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In reply to Fireman • 9:20a, 4/2/20
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I know a previously healthy 29 year old nurse who died.

I know a family of four who all had it and were each moderately sick. (Ages 8-40)

A very good friend, 60 and incredibly fit and healthy had it and was very sick for 10 days, now recovering, never hospitalized.

Young fireman friend of my son currently has it.

Brother of a good friend has it (He lives in Sweden).

So yeah, it's real.
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9:20a, 4/2/20
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Next door neighbor's parents. Both elderly. Her Mom is doing ok. Dad had diabetes and died from the virus.
Maroon and White always! EKU/TAMU
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In reply to Fireman • 9:31a, 4/2/20
Fireman said:
Here's some math for you. The government just approved 2 trillion in stimulus package. The next 3 generations of our families will have to pay back this debt plus interest. Millions of people are losing their jobs, their business and their homes over this.

If we assume 300,000 people will die, we could give each of their families $6.6 million with that 2 trillion. What percentage of voting adults would choose to go back to life as normal, if the government just provided a $5 million death benefit for each family member that dies from this disease? We live in a democracy don't we. Who's ready to take a vote?
Wrong forum.


But to humor you, if we just "vote and go back to normal", way more than 300k are going to die. From coronavirus and lack of access to healthcare.
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In reply to Fireman • 9:35a, 4/2/20
Fireman said:
Here's some math for you. The government just approved 2 trillion in stimulus package. The next 3 generations of our families will have to pay back this debt plus interest. Millions of people are losing their jobs, their business and their homes over this.

If we assume 300,000 people will die, we could give each of their families $6.6 million with that 2 trillion. What percentage of voting adults would choose to go back to life as normal, if the government just provided a $5 million death benefit for each family member that dies from this disease? We live in a democracy don't we. Who's ready to take a vote?
FYI... The 100k - 300k estimate is IF we continue to isolate and stay in this mode for several more weeks.
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9:38a, 4/2/20
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Found out an employee of mine is positive. Luckily she works in Brussels so no worries for me. She is mid-thirties and was very sick at home for 4 days. Better now and received her positive diagnosis after she had turned the corner. Not hospitalized.
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In reply to Fireman • 9:44a, 4/2/20
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Federale01 said:
Skeptical of what? Skeptical this is all happening?
Skeptical we need to hide in our home for 30 days hiding from this virus.
If you've bothered to read the thread you started and are still skeptical then people like you are why government must step in and mandate things.
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In reply to Fireman • 9:48a, 4/2/20
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Fireman said:
Here's some math for you. The government just approved 2 trillion in stimulus package. The next 3 generations of our families will have to pay back this debt plus interest. Millions of people are losing their jobs, their business and their homes over this.

If we assume 300,000 people will die, we could give each of their families $6.6 million with that 2 trillion. What percentage of voting adults would choose to go back to life as normal, if the government just provided a $5 million death benefit for each family member that dies from this disease? We live in a democracy don't we. Who's ready to take a vote?
Though I haven't seen 300k tossed around that would be a number reduced by these measures. Not worth arguing with someone who clearly thinks money matters more then lives.

Sounds like you'd be willing wipe out your family for that cash.

Personally, I'd rather be broke then lose a family member.
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In reply to Fireman • 9:48a, 4/2/20
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Fireman said:
Federale01 said:
Skeptical of what? Skeptical this is all happening?
Skeptical we need to hide in our home for 30 days hiding from this virus.


No worries, just hide on your recliner at work instead.
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9:49a, 4/2/20
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You can't stop stupid, but you can sure as heck make sure it's identified so people can know not to listen to it.
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In reply to Fireman • 9:50a, 4/2/20
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Fireman said:
Here's some math for you. The government just approved 2 trillion in stimulus package. The next 3 generations of our families will have to pay back this debt plus interest. Millions of people are losing their jobs, their business and their homes over this.

If we assume 300,000 people will die, we could give each of their families $6.6 million with that 2 trillion. What percentage of voting adults would choose to go back to life as normal, if the government just provided a $5 million death benefit for each family member that dies from this disease? We live in a democracy don't we. Who's ready to take a vote?


OP didn't read the thread or didn't care. He just wants his biases and feelings confirmed.
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In reply to Fireman • 9:50a, 4/2/20
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Fireman said:
We live in a democracy don't we. Who's ready to take a vote?


No, we live in a Constitutional Republic. But just keep being wrong..... about everything.
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In reply to Fireman • 9:51a, 4/2/20
Also, since you are the OP and therefore this wouldn't really be considered thread derailment, can you imagine the amount of old people that would gladly get sick and die to give their families millions of dollars? Then imagine how many families that have some morally reprehensible members that would purposefully infect members of their family hoping they would get rich.
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In reply to ETFan • 9:53a, 4/2/20
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Fireman said:
Here's some math for you. The government just approved 2 trillion in stimulus package. The next 3 generations of our families will have to pay back this debt plus interest. Millions of people are losing their jobs, their business and their homes over this.

If we assume 300,000 people will die, we could give each of their families $6.6 million with that 2 trillion. What percentage of voting adults would choose to go back to life as normal, if the government just provided a $5 million death benefit for each family member that dies from this disease? We live in a democracy don't we. Who's ready to take a vote?
Wrong forum.


But to humor you, if we just "vote and go back to normal", way more than 300k are going to die. From coronavirus and lack of access to healthcare.

It's reached the point when you read posts like these that there's a 95% chance if you click the posters username his 1st or 2nd most active forum for posting is Politics. It's uncanny.
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9:55a, 4/2/20
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the next two are three weeks will actually be the telling. If projects are true in another week no one will be questioning if this is real/
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10:09a, 4/2/20
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Here's the current count of my extremely unscientific poll:

138 survived
7 on ventilators
22 deaths

My sincere condolences for those that have lost friends or family members to this terrible disease. I'm also praying for those with the disease and those hospitalized.

For those that believe other wise, I am fully following all of the governmental recommendations and strongly recommend others do the same and heed the warnings from the CDC and medical experts. It's healthy to debate the various issues impacting our lives relative to this pandemic.
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10:14a, 4/2/20
Flat Earth logic on display from OP.
Guessing his kids aren't immunized.
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In reply to Texaggie7nine • 10:32a, 4/2/20
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Texaggie7nine said:
Also, since you are the OP and therefore this wouldn't really be considered thread derailment, can you imagine the amount of old people that would gladly get sick and die to give their families millions of dollars? Then imagine how many families that have some morally reprehensible members that would purposefully infect members of their family hoping they would get rich.
How do you know this isn't already occurring? Maybe its artificially driving up the numbers? Life insurance policies existed before this virus and millions of people have them. Are you suggesting we completely isolate and take every person and put them in their own hotel room to make sure someone doesn't try to off them with the virus?
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In reply to Fireman • 10:34a, 4/2/20
Life insurance coming in on your 70 year old parent isn't likely to be anywhere near 5 mil.

I would bet a large sum of money that there are few, if any cases of family members intentionally infecting their family right now.

I'm saying that your proposal would greatly increase the incentive to infect family.
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10:41a, 4/2/20
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Revive this thread in two months and see how the answers change.
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10:51a, 4/2/20
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The "do nothing" scenario predicted by the CDC was 1.7MM deaths in the US. The Imperial College prediction was 2.2MM. That would be more deaths from any single cause in US history. More than the entire Civil War, WW1 and WW2 combined.

And your proposed solution is just to let the people die and pay their families off? I'm disgusted with the lack of humanity displayed by some people, giving human life such little value.

You realize that if there were hundreds of thousands of people dying in this country, overloading hospitals, there wouldn't be a functioning economy, right? The government wouldn't need to do a lockdown, people wouldn't voluntarily leave their houses if the death tolls got that high.

Maybe you don't believe that was the case, but our best experts were advising our elected leaders, including our President, of those risks. In that situation, what else could you do?
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10:55a, 4/2/20
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4 immediate family members very sick 2 tested positive 2 could not get a test. No need to be skeptical. I also have a number of friends who have tested positive. A new one this morning.
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10:57a, 4/2/20
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I know three. All three are in their 40's and healthy. The recovery time among them ranged from 13 days to 22 days with mild symptoms showing back up off and on following "recovery."
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11:01a, 4/2/20
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Yesterday Brazos County had 67 cases and three dead.
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11:01a, 4/2/20
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speaking of math, that $2T spending package is $62,000 for EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. THAT . PAYS. ANY SIGNIFICANT INCOME TAX

or to be more specific, every person that paid income tax LAST YEAR.

There's only about 30 million of us that pay more than $10k in taxes. if 1/3 get laid off, which is about what is being projected, then that number will be $100k for everyone that will pay taxes NEXT YEAR.

so enjoy your $1200 and your Kennedy center, folks. It is a typical government value proposition.

thankfully i only have 'friends of friends' on fb that i know of having the virus or symptoms.

that said,
i am not skeptical of whether this virus is bad.
i am frankly skeptical that it is not going to turn up worse than current stats may indicate.
yet i still think the 'cure' will end up being worse than the virus.

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In reply to cbr • 11:05a, 4/2/20
cbr said:
speaking of math, that $2T spending package is $62,000 for EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. THAT . PAYS. ANY SIGNIFICANT INCOME TAX

i am not skeptical of whether this virus is bad.
i am frankly skeptical that it is not going to turn up worse than current stats may indicate.
yet i still think the 'cure' will end up being worse than the virus.



Sovereign debt isn't what you think it is. Servicing costs on that debt have never been lower, and that's what matters most. If anything, interest rates and inflation imply we should take more sovereign debt, because it will just get refinanced when the bonds mature. Federal deficits become a problem when in inflation and interest rates rise.
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11:06a, 4/2/20
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I personally know 2. They were not hospitalized.

I know 3 more that are getting tested and we only have 64 confirmed cases in our county but 16 more tested positive yesterday.

These mostly political people who are self styled 'Coronavirus Truthers' are dangerous to all of us because we need all of us to stay home so this thing has a short shelf life and we can get back to making money and living our lives.
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In reply to Gordo14 • 11:08a, 4/2/20
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Gordo14 said:
cbr said:
speaking of math, that $2T spending package is $62,000 for EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. THAT . PAYS. ANY SIGNIFICANT INCOME TAX

i am not skeptical of whether this virus is bad.
i am frankly skeptical that it is not going to turn up worse than current stats may indicate.
yet i still think the 'cure' will end up being worse than the virus.



Sovereign debt isn't what you think it is. Servicing costs on that debt have never been lower, and that's what matters most. If anything, interest rates and inflation imply we should take more sovereign debt, because it will just get refinanced when the bonds mature. Federal deficits become a problem when in inflation and interest rates rise.
oh, i do know that we will either inflate, default, or war our way out of repaying it.... but that doesnt mean the debt doesnt exist. good post though, for sure.
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11:09a, 4/2/20
2- Pregnant friend in her 30s mild symptoms
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In reply to HotardAg07 • 11:24a, 4/2/20
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The "do nothing" scenario predicted by the CDC was 1.7MM deaths in the US. The Imperial College prediction was 2.2MM. That would be more deaths from any single cause in US history. More than the entire Civil War, WW1 and WW2 combined.

And your proposed solution is just to let the people die and pay their families off? I'm disgusted with the lack of humanity displayed by some people, giving human life such little value.

You realize that if there were hundreds of thousands of people dying in this country, overloading hospitals, there wouldn't be a functioning economy, right? The government wouldn't need to do a lockdown, people wouldn't voluntarily leave their houses if the death tolls got that high.

Maybe you don't believe that was the case, but our best experts were advising our elected leaders, including our President, of those risks. In that situation, what else could you do?
Disclaimer: this post isn't meant to be sensationalist or hyperbolic, but to illustrate the relative magnitude of what it means to say this disease "only" kills 0.5-1% of the population.

For context....
  • Civil War: 498,300 deaths
  • WWI: 116,500 deaths (53,400 in combat / 63,100 from disease) source
  • WWII: 405,400 deaths source
  • Korean War: 54,200
  • Vietnam War: 90,200
  • Global War on Terror: 6,600

That totals 1.17 million. All the great wars of the last 160 years of American history together work out to around 45-88% fewer deaths than the 1.7-2.2 million conceivable in a "do nothing" scenario - in a couple of weeks.

Yes, there is a lot of economic pain right now and there will continue to be uncertainty and anxiety in the next several weeks and months...but weigh a couple of weeks/months of economic slowdown against the loss of life and the social upheaval that could/would bring on. At those death figures you're looking at world events like the communist revolution in China.
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In reply to Fitch • 12:11p, 4/2/20
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Fitch said:
HotardAg07 said:
The "do nothing" scenario predicted by the CDC was 1.7MM deaths in the US. The Imperial College prediction was 2.2MM. That would be more deaths from any single cause in US history. More than the entire Civil War, WW1 and WW2 combined.

And your proposed solution is just to let the people die and pay their families off? I'm disgusted with the lack of humanity displayed by some people, giving human life such little value.

You realize that if there were hundreds of thousands of people dying in this country, overloading hospitals, there wouldn't be a functioning economy, right? The government wouldn't need to do a lockdown, people wouldn't voluntarily leave their houses if the death tolls got that high.

Maybe you don't believe that was the case, but our best experts were advising our elected leaders, including our President, of those risks. In that situation, what else could you do?
Disclaimer: this post isn't meant to be sensationalist or hyperbolic, but to illustrate the relative magnitude of what it means to say this disease "only" kills 0.5-1% of the population.

For context....
  • Civil War: 498,300 deaths
  • WWI: 116,500 deaths (53,400 in combat / 63,100 from disease) source
  • WWII: 405,400 deaths source
  • Korean War: 54,200
  • Vietnam War: 90,200
  • Global War on Terror: 6,600

That totals 1.17 million. All the great wars of the last 160 years of American history together work out to around 45-88% fewer deaths than the 1.7-2.2 million conceivable in a "do nothing" scenario - in a couple of weeks.

Yes, there is a lot of economic pain right now and there will continue to be uncertainty and anxiety in the next several weeks and months...but weigh a couple of weeks/months of economic slowdown against the loss of life and the social upheaval that could/would bring on. At those death figures you're looking at world events like the communist revolution in China.
I don't want to disrespect your post but you have to put those numbers in context with the corresponding populations and not just consider the sheer number of deaths.

For context....
  • Civil War: 498,300 deaths US pop 31.4 million 1.5% pop/death
  • WWI: 116,500 deaths (53,400 in combat / 63,100 from disease) source US pop 101 million US pop/death .1%
  • WWII: 405,400 deaths source USpPop 132 million .3% pop/death

If we have 1.7-2.2 million die in a do nothing scenario that would be a .5-.7%. So the effect would be somewhere between the WWII and Civil War effects. Would we survive and not have a communist revolution? Probably. Would we see a generation defined and changed by the events? Absolutely.

Other factors that would be greatly different from the wars without a way to predict the effect would be the flash effect of deaths versus spread out over multi-years of the wars and the war deaths being heavily young males versus CV deaths would be both male and female and have a higher concentration in older adults. Who can truly say how the deaths would effect us moving forward compared to our prior war deaths?
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12:14p, 4/2/20
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And I know one condition 6. Mid 40s healthy father of five with one at Aggieland on vent.

And 2 health care workers with conditions under management at home.
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AggieBiker said:
And I know one condition 6. Mid 40s healthy father of five with one at Aggieland on vent.

And 2 health care workers with conditions under management at home.

This kinda stuff really hits home. That's me too. Hearing lotsa stories of people with no known medical conditions getting hit hard with this.
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12:49p, 4/2/20
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Obesity is one of the factors and seeing as over half of Americans are over fat this could be an issue. A lot of the people that claim to have no preexisting conditions are considered obese.
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12:51p, 4/2/20
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https://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/news/20170111/high-blood-pressure-often-undiagnosed-untreated

Tons of studies like this one. Fairly random sample of the population and 50% have high blood pressure but don't know it, with 2% at extreme risk of medical complication.

Many unhealthy people don't know it. They don't exercise, they don't see a doctor and they "feel fine" becuase that's the baseline they know.

A lot of these are the same people that suddenly and unexpectedly die - leaving the same shock and unanswered questions

That doesn't mean Covid kills lots of healthy people.
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