How much transmission would be in the heat and Sun? Just curious. They were tubing at Dons Fish camp way before the protests.

I am just curious.

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I am a mayor within Hays County and have been tracking this closely since March.

I am 100% convinced that this spike is due to the protests, both because of the timing, and because of the large percentage of 20 to 29 year olds in the numbers.

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Same age group that goes out drinking and loses track of distancing.....why does it have to be one not the other? Seems quite obvious this spike is a cumulative effect of reopening, Memorial Day and protests. It's not just a single thing.

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I think there is also an aspect of people thinking, "well, if protests are now allowed, this thing must be over", and people stopped being as careful.

So cases may not be directly related to the protests, but the protests gave people permission, in their own minds, to stop being as cautious.

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It's coming across that you don't think reopening bars and resuming normal life also gives that message. I get it, you don't like the protests but these spikes are clearly multifaceted.

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My understanding was the cases in Kyle were mostly Hispanic. The service industry. At the time it was also 70 percent Hispanic cases in the county. That has now dropped to 50 percent Hispanic and whites and blacks have jumped up. Most people from San Marcos.

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But the demographics of the cities did not change. What was different between Kyle and San Marcos in the last 15 to 20 days?

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Probably more young people out at restaurants, bars, swimming pools, going tubing on the river, etc. No social distancing, etc. That's what I assume is the difference.

the protest fair catch completely broke the permission structure

if you can't see that, you're blind

Yep. No one is going back to much social distancing after the protests. When the leaders of a county join in and then tell everybody to hunker down again most will just ignore the hypocrites.

I agree that this spike is "muti-faceted, but based in the steepness of it and the timing of it, I think the protests were a major impact.

The impact of the protests was both in the actual protests themselves with large numbers of people out and in close proximity, yelling, marching, etc...; and in the shift in attitude that many people had after seeing it and seeing leadership and media praising the protests and downplaying any concern about covid.

If Covid isn't an issue for protesters, then there is no reason it should be an issue for anything else.

In addition, this is within weeks of these same leaders and media speaking out against other protests. So since protests are now OK, then it must be OK to be out in public without social distancing

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and in the shift in attitude that many people had after seeing it and seeing leadership and media praising the protests and downplaying any concern about covid.

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Exactly. Either there's a public health crisis or there isn't. You can't have it both ways. The "100,000 health professionals" who felt the need to sign that letter may as well have signed a letter saying "disregard everything we say"

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I agree that this spike is "muti-faceted, but based in the steepness of it and the timing of it, I think the protests were a major impact.

The impact of the protests was both in the actual protests themselves with large numbers of people out and in close proximity, yelling, marching, etc...; and in the shift in attitude that many people had after seeing it and seeing leadership and media praising the protests and downplaying any concern about covid.

If Covid isn't an issue for protesters, then there is no reason it should be an issue for anything else.

In addition, this is within weeks of these same leaders and media speaking out against other protests. So since protests are now OK, then it must be OK to be out in public without social distancing

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My issue with your thought process on this matter is that the majority of Texans weren't out protesting. Don't they matter? Shouldn't we keep social distancing and wearing masks when appropriate to help them? Or is it just easier to use the protests as another excuse to not do the right thing?

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I haven't used the protests to justify anything or change anything for myself. I am talking about what the larger society may do.

It is speculation on my part. It is something that I believe explains the recent spike in cases in Hays County and likely around Texas.

People are not stupid, they'll figure out hypocrisy rather quickly.

When an organization says, 'Stay home, it's safer', and 'don't go to those protests, it's irresponsible' (when the protests were against the shutdowns and stay home orders), then, only a few days later, say 'This is an important issue, we need to support the protests, just wear a mask and try to socially distance', AND we see that there was no 'social distancing' and many were not wearing masks, people will come to the conclusion that the calls to "be careful" and "stay home" and "avoid crowds" were not serious.

No virus cares what your cause is.

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I agree that this spike is "muti-faceted, but based in the steepness of it and the timing of it, I think the protests were a major impact.

The impact of the protests was both in the actual protests themselves with large numbers of people out and in close proximity, yelling, marching, etc...; and in the shift in attitude that many people had after seeing it and seeing leadership and media praising the protests and downplaying any concern about covid.

If Covid isn't an issue for protesters, then there is no reason it should be an issue for anything else.

In addition, this is within weeks of these same leaders and media speaking out against other protests. So since protests are now OK, then it must be OK to be out in public without social distancing

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My issue with your thought process on this matter is that the majority of Texans weren't out protesting. Don't they matter? Shouldn't we keep social distancing and wearing masks when appropriate to help them? Or is it just easier to use the protests as another excuse to not do the right thing?

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I haven't used the protests to justify anything or change anything for myself. I am talking about what the larger society may do.

It is speculation on my part. It is something that I believe explains the recent spike in cases in Hays County and likely around Texas.

People are not stupid, they'll figure out hypocrisy rather quickly.

When an organization says, 'Stay home, it's safer', and 'don't go to those protests, it's irresponsible' (when the protests were against the shutdowns and stay home orders), then, only a few days later, say 'This is an important issue, we need to support the protests, just wear a mask and try to socially distance', AND we see that there was no 'social distancing' and many were not wearing masks, people will come to the conclusion that the calls to "be careful" and "stay home" and "avoid crowds" were not serious.

No virus cares what your cause is.

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People who would think that way are the same ones who didn't want to wear masks or social distance in the first place. Like I said, this just gives them an excuse to feel better about themselves. Deep down they know that they are selfish and wrong, but they will grasp at anything else to blame so that they don't have to blame themselves. It's hard for people to admit to themselves that they just aren't a very good person after all.

I know a lot of people through work, my large church, kid activities, civic groups, etc. My spouse is same way. None of these people were protesting. And none of them would now use the protests as an excuse to be *******s and not socially distance and wear masks when appropriate.

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but isn't it good if young people get it and recover?

As long as the hospital isn't overrun this isn't really a bad thing.

Like I said my opinion, I'm sure some will disagree.